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#1927 Jan 02 2012 at 2:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's just simple little things. When I told you I went through both Belkira and Omegavegeta's posts to see if they said what you were claiming, I put forth and effort to see if your claim had validity. I didn't just assume you were wrong for my own convenience. Now, you claim that Belkira made comments beyond 2 months past which you believe are relevant and you claim that I missed something in Omegavegeta's posts. Maybe I did ***** up and make a mistake there. But what you didn't do is bother to provide anything to back that up. If I missed a damning quote from Omegavegata, then post it. If Belkira has been adamant throughout the years about how there are no reasons in any scenario to ever discriminate against homosexuals, then show it.


For my part in this, I stated that I cannot presently think of any "logical" reason to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. I never stated that there definitely isn't one.

Though, at present, no one has really offered up what I consider a "logical reason" to discriminate based on sexual preference.

Edited, Jan 2nd 2012 2:42pm by Belkira
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#1930 Jan 02 2012 at 4:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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@belkira, Alma is being stupid again and using the wrong definition of discriminate, even though that's been explained to him a few times.
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#1931 Jan 02 2012 at 8:01 PM Rating: Good
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If the public was really educated we'd have an American Bastille Day and public executions on the National Mall.. instead of a bunch of hippies camping in parks.. all know by now that mass executions suck and that facists thrive on fear, while freedom flowers in non-violence


FTFY

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@belkira, Alma is being stupid again and using the wrong definition of discriminate, even though that's been explained to him a few times.


Lost cause much?

Edited, Jan 2nd 2012 6:02pm by Olorinus
#1932 Jan 02 2012 at 10:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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@belkira, Alma is being stupid again and using the wrong definition of discriminate, even though that's been explained to him a few times.


Oh, I know. I mostly wanted Allegory to understand exactly what I had or had not said previously. Mostly to prove Alma is wrong.

Again.
#1933Almalieque, Posted: Jan 02 2012 at 10:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You are not new here. I've argued with you for years now. If you were new, then this would be a different story. We argue over the same 3 to 4 topics EVERY YEAR for YEARS now. Just like you were able to list the opinions of Ugly and Jophiel, I ASSUMED that you would be able to do the same for Belkira after all of these years. If I were wrong, she would have definitely said something to correct me.
#1934Almalieque, Posted: Jan 02 2012 at 10:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Will you quit trying to clarify something that doesn't need clarifying. I've stated numerous of times that I'm not using the simplistic definition of "choosing one over the other". That was one time in another scenario and you just refuse to let go in order to support your claim. Get over it.
#1935 Jan 02 2012 at 11:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
At that time, you see it's a "fire fight", so don't get involved if you don't want to get burned.


Says the guy who has been spending the past couple posts complaining how everyone is against him and being mean.

You take stances that are illogical at best and crazy at worst then when people point out your flaws you don't evolve your opinion, you just stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la, I can't hear you!". After doing that over and over it is expected there are going to be people that will nuke practically anything you say (exceptions do pop up). You reap what you sow and to complain about it now is sad really.


Edit: Expections != Exceptions

Edited, Jan 3rd 2012 12:39am by Criminy
#1936 Jan 02 2012 at 11:52 PM Rating: Good
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(Did people actually think I was using a racial slur? That didn't even occur to me. Or was my attempt to make a Dark Knight reference just too lame?)

The second one.

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#1937 Jan 03 2012 at 12:11 AM Rating: Good
I can't believe anyone still ekes out enjoyment from batting this idiot about.
#1938 Jan 03 2012 at 7:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't believe anyone still ekes out enjoyment from batting this idiot about.



I know, right? The catnip all leaked out a long time ago.

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#1939 Jan 03 2012 at 9:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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In other military news, my IPERMS ((Internet-based) Personnel Electronic Records Management System. In other words, my official paperwork) information finally updated. Though I've known for about a month now, having actual documentation makes it official, and my promotion has gone through and I can wear my E7. Extra money, more people to be responsible for, and best of all I can't be demoted unless Congress has a session devoted to deciding on what I did deserves it. Smiley: laugh
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#1940 Jan 03 2012 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
If I were wrong, she would have definitely said something to correct me.

Somehow, the fact that she did only makes me sadder.

I guess it's back to sarcastic one-liners now. Enjoy the company of people who you don't respect.
#1941 Jan 03 2012 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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In other military news, my IPERMS ((Internet-based) Personnel Electronic Records Management System. In other words, my official paperwork) information finally updated. Though I've known for about a month now, having actual documentation makes it official, and my promotion has gone through and I can wear my E7. Extra money, more people to be responsible for, and best of all I can't be demoted unless Congress has a session devoted to deciding on what I did deserves it. Smiley: laugh

I'd kill for that kind of job security.
#1942 Jan 03 2012 at 12:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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You kind of have to. Smiley: um
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#1943 Jan 03 2012 at 2:12 PM Rating: Excellent
Allegory wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If I were wrong, she would have definitely said something to correct me.

Somehow, the fact that she did only makes me sadder.



I didn't do it for him. I did it for you, Allegory. Smiley: frown
#1944 Jan 03 2012 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
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Dats da joke.


I think, I can't really be too sure with Sara. :3

What is an E7, out of interest?
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#1945 Jan 03 2012 at 3:25 PM Rating: Good
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What is an E7, out of interest?


Not quite as good as a Q9, but definitely better than a YH-31.



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#1946 Jan 03 2012 at 4:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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What is an E7, out of interest?

I hear it's already obsolete since the E8 comes out in March.
#1947 Jan 03 2012 at 4:31 PM Rating: Good
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Olorinus wrote:
Kelvyquayo wrote:
If the public was really educated we'd have an American Bastille Day and public executions on the National Mall.. instead of a bunch of hippies camping in parks.. all know by now that mass executions suck and that facists thrive on fear, while freedom flowers in non-violence


FTFY



I think that is covered by the "bunch of hippies camping in parks".

On that note; I wouldn't say that education equates to understanding the Peace and Love is the real answer... usually education just equates into learning how to finely hone one's greed and lust for power..
but I suppose that all depend on what you mean by "education". It kinda like a murderer going to a psychologist seeking help to be a better murderer.
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#1948 Jan 03 2012 at 5:20 PM Rating: Good
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I'd say a rudimentary knowledge of history is enough to show that mass executions such as the "Reign of Terror" after the French Revolution harm the masses just as much if not more than anyone else - with the end result (if you're "successful") being just a different CEO/king/president/plutocrat (etc) heading up the country.

And (even if we don't pretend there is a morality issue to be considered) if instead of hippies camping in parks they were physically attacking stock brokers, the army/police would be killing people, not pepper-spraying them

Violence and hysteria don't result in freedom - never have, never will. It may change the face in charge, but it doesn't get rid of social hierarchies/poverty etc.

Although there may arguably be cases when individuals need to use violence to protect themselves/achieve justice - I recoil from people suggesting that the smart thing for citizens concerned about the state of the world to do is start murdering people...

Especially in countries such as the US and Canada - which, while not perfect, aren't brutally repressing people to the same level you see elsewhere and where there ARE actual levers and pressure points that can be used to effect change non-violently (and pretty effectively)

The fact of the matter is, America may have a messed up political system - but if you can't actually organize people to use it to change your country - where do you get the idea you have a mandate to start killing people? Does not compute.

Or do you think anyone that thinks they're smarter than other people should be allowed to kill others and impose their will on their countrymen?

Edited, Jan 3rd 2012 3:27pm by Olorinus
#1949Almalieque, Posted: Jan 03 2012 at 10:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) [sm]
#1950 Jan 03 2012 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Olorini,

I am not endorsing violence. I am simply stating what I believe would happen. Whether or not I think it should happen doesn't really enter into it. I am a Christian that tries not to judge people en masse by their actions because everyone has personal motives and personal reasons for what they do, but there is one common denominator that shadows over all human beings throughout all of our history and that is our greed, our lust for power, and our willingness to kill for it.

I think that I agree with you to an extent; however you are underestimating the innate lust for violence and power that exist in the hearts of human-kind. No intellectual education is going to dampen that; which has also been proven again and again. We simply find more sophisticated ways to dominate one another.

War is an ugly business indeed; I do not deny that War is the ultimate failure. But all things of this concept of which we are discussing here is in one way or another: WAR; whether a physical war or armies or a guerrilla war or a psychological war.. however you spin it; it is still the ultimate failure of human beings to simply Love one another.

If a revolution fails than it is merely a rebellion which is usually bloody. If a revolution succeeds than may also be equally bloody. When a revolution is stifled by inaction, apathy, indifference, and fear; then it is a protest.
You say that violence doesn't result in freedom? Perhaps in a few cases, but nothing that really lasted. Trying to achieve true freedom is like trying to bail water out of the Titanic.

You say that "The West" has it up on the rest of the world because we do not brutally repress people. What is your definition of repression because surely there are many forms of it. Capitalistic oppression is the name of our game. Capitalism cannot succeed without oppression; so be careful not to let yourself be fooled by the false ideology that just because you don't see Sally Struthers or Alyssa Milano crying about the oppressed children of the West that they don't exist. The amount of money that our country gives away to corporations for war/resources and does NOT spend where it is needed.. in places like Sub-Saharan Africa is the biggest form of oppression of all. The oppression of indifference.. when people want to close their blinds and say "It's not my fault" "It's not my problem"; it is our fault. Cain after murdering Abel asked God "Am I my brothers keeper?"; Yes, Cain. You are.

Once again, I do not endorse violence; but I also do not ignore the reality that a heated powder keg will one day explode.
Am I saying that I myself an going to drive to the house of my governor and start taking shots? By no means. I am only interested in defending my loved ones. I am not suggesting that people do this either.. My point was that most people are in a state of denial when they actually think that the people in power are really going to work for them; people that actually get those positions don't get there by being charitable nice wholesome people.. There are probably a few (very few) exceptions (maybe) but none that I can really think of. This is why any candidate that tries to represent themselves by playing the Christian card I will trust the LEAST. Christians have no business in politics in my opinion.

But I don't think anything is going to happen any time soon.. not when people are content to just say "OH GEE-WIZ: I guess I have to pick the lesser of 2 evils". Total apathy.
What is the answer? No one here wants to hear my answer.

Hunker down

Edited, Jan 3rd 2012 11:17pm by Kelvyquayo
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#1951 Jan 03 2012 at 10:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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