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#1877 Dec 30 2011 at 10:49 PM Rating: Good
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#1878 Dec 30 2011 at 11:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
If you can't provide a definition and explain how those words were used incorrectly

Because it isn't even remotely correct. You're going to have show how there's an ounce of truth to it first, because the most specific thing anyone could do is point to the whole thing and shrug.

I did put effort into trying to see where you might be coming from. In your first post on this matter you responded to Belkira accusing her:
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Also, you're a bigot because you are staunchly opposed to the repeal of DADT and are blaming everything on that instead of placing the blame where it belongs, which is with the mismanaged institution for which you work.

It's very funny, more so ironic, that people say that. You, along with others, do not believe that there exist a single logical argument in support of any form of discrimination of homosexuals, which by definition makes YOU THE BIGOT, not me.

So I did a search of all her posts for the past two months in this thread, and not one of them made anything within the proximity of that claim. Most are just sarcastic one-liners.

You later accuse Omegatvegeta
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People have stated (i.e. OmegaVegeta) that there are no logical reasons in any scenario to EVER discriminate against homosexuality EVER.

So I went back to review two months of his posts in this thread. He hasn't said anything like that either for the past two months, though he did state specifically to the contrary:
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I'll accept a logical argument for the disenfranchisement of homosexuals in the military if you can provide one.

He disagrees that there is a good reason to discriminate, but he's willing to accept it the moment you provide it.



So not only are people not doing this thing you're accusing them of, but even if they were it still wouldn't matter. Holding strongly to a personal belief isn't bigotry. It's obstinacy towards others that's bigotry.

And this is why people write you off with succinct sarcastic remarks. Because it takes effort to specifically demonstrate even the most obvious of truths, and you're just not worth it. So next time I tell you you're wrong, I'm not going to bother. I'll be terse and cutting, and you'll accuse me of having no substance, because you won't learn.

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#1879 Dec 31 2011 at 2:52 AM Rating: Excellent
Saying "post 206" over and over isn't stubborn...?
#1880 Dec 31 2011 at 3:43 AM Rating: Good
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#1881 Dec 31 2011 at 4:15 AM Rating: Good
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Saying "post 206" over and over isn't stubborn...?
No, it's desperate and lazy.
#1882 Dec 31 2011 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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Can we just ban this cunt already? He's so much more annoying that Varus ever was.
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#1883 Dec 31 2011 at 12:04 PM Rating: Default
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Allegory wrote:
Because it isn't even remotely correct. You're going to have show how there's an ounce of truth to it first, because the most specific thing anyone could do is point to the whole thing and shrug.


Soooooo me "completely using a word incorrectly" prevents you from properly defining a word and explaining how it was used incorrectly?Smiley: dubious

You're wrong and you don't want to admit it. Else, put your money where your mouth is and defend your claim. You attacked me, not vice versa, and you have done so with nothing else other than "urdoinitwrong". If that is sufficient, then my counter is "na-uh, urdoinitwrong".

Allegory wrote:
So I did a search of all her posts for the past two months in this thread, and not one of them made anything within the proximity of that claim. Most are just sarcastic one-liners.


There is more to Belkira than the past two months of this thread. She has been mostly quiet in this thread as compared to others. I'm sorry if you're unable to realize her point of view after having the same argument numerous of times for over 5 years now.


Allegory wrote:
So I went back to review two months of his posts in this thread. He hasn't said anything like that either for the past two months, though he did state specifically to the contrary:
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I'll accept a logical argument for the disenfranchisement of homosexuals in the military if you can provide one.

He disagrees that there is a good reason to discriminate, but he's willing to accept it the moment you provide it.


You are so full crap. There is absolutely no way that you could have "accidentally overlooked" PAGES of him arguing that there are no logical forms of discrimination of race and sexuality (which lead into the actor/actress debate, which lead into the Affirmative Action debate) and just so happen to fall upon that one quote.

He stated that there is none. Once again, you claim "fail safe" on me, but don't when he does it. He obviously "threw the ball in my court", so he could just say "I disagree, that isn't logical" to every response. That's exactly what people accused me of with SSM.

I see that you must have coincidentally overlooked my responses as I "threw the ball back in his court". I told him that if he truly does believe that there exist a scenario, then give me an example of such a scenario. He failed to do so, because he doesn't believe that there currently exists one.

I gave an example, if the military were co-ed, I would fully support it. Why can't he, or anyone else, provide a similar example?

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So not only are people not doing this thing you're accusing them of, but even if they were it still wouldn't matter. Holding strongly to a personal belief isn't bigotry. It's obstinacy towards others that's bigotry.


Nowhere in that definition does it hint "with malicious intent". Once again, that's another fallacy that you all like to use. Quit making up definitions.

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big·ot
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a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
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a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race


So, if you're a "die hard Republican" who believe that Republicans are always right in everything, that would make you a bigot. If you're a Protestant Christian who believes that Christians are always right in everything and everyone else is wrong, that would make you a bigot. If you believe that homosexuals are somehow magically exempt from any form of discrimination, unlike every other human trait known to man, that would make you a bigot.

Allegory wrote:
And this is why people write you off with succinct sarcastic remarks. Because it takes effort to specifically demonstrate even the most obvious of truths, and you're just not worth it. So next time I tell you you're wrong, I'm not going to bother. I'll be terse and cutting, and you'll accuse me of having no substance, because you won't learn.


Yet you spent that much effort in that response when all I asked you was to simply define a word and elucidate your point. You're in total disavowal if you believe for a second that you have the wit to illude me into thinking that I'm falsely accusing you of anything. When I type long posts, people complain. When I type short posts, people complain.

When your response is "I don't have to because it's obvious", then you are lacking substance. There is no way around it.
#1884 Dec 31 2011 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira wrote:
Saying "post 206" over and over isn't stubborn...?


No, it's a reference.

Nilatai wrote:
Can we just ban this cunt already? He's so much more annoying that Varus ever was.


Of course because Varus is a horrible troll that has no real stance on anything nor brings any actual substance to the table. I, on the other hand, not only stand for something, but often put up opposition that clearly contradicts your own thoughts. You feel more comfortable beating up on the dumb kid because you win every time. You don't like actually losing.

Am I "right" all of the time, no, but you all have created this Pleasant-ville environment and you don't know how to react to opposition. Truth hurts don't it?
#1885 Dec 31 2011 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
Allegory wrote:
Because it isn't even remotely correct. You're going to have show how there's an ounce of truth to it first, because the most specific thing anyone could do is point to the whole thing and shrug.


Soooooo me "completely using a word incorrectly" prevents you from properly defining a word and explaining how it was used incorrectly?Smiley: dubious
Maybe you should read a fucking book
#1886 Dec 31 2011 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
Can we just ban this cunt already? He's so much more annoying that Varus ever was.
You know who are more annoying? The people like you who actively engage him and keep this **** going.
#1887 Dec 31 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nilatai wrote:
Can we just ban this cunt already? He's so much more annoying that Varus ever was.
You know who are more annoying? The people like you who actively engage him and keep this sh*t going.
And even more annoying are people who actively engage the people who are actively engaging alma.
#1888 Dec 31 2011 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nilatai wrote:
Can we just ban this cunt already? He's so much more annoying that Varus ever was.
You know who are more annoying? The people like you who actively engage him and keep this sh*t going.
And even more annoying are people who actively engage the people who are actively engaging alma.
Fuck you.
#1889 Dec 31 2011 at 1:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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#1890 Dec 31 2011 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Real substance is having 58 posts that repeatedly state "Post 206."
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#1891 Dec 31 2011 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot wrote:
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a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
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a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race


So, if you're a "die hard Republican" who believe that Republicans are always right in everything, that would make you a bigot. If you're a Protestant Christian who believes that Christians are always right in everything and everyone else is wrong, that would make you a bigot. If you believe that homosexuals are somehow magically exempt from any form of discrimination, unlike every other human trait known to man, that would make you a bigot.


You have absolutely no idea what intolerant means, do you? Protip: It doesn't mean that you think you're right and someone else is wrong.
#1892 Dec 31 2011 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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"You, along with others, do not believe that there exist a single logical argument in support of any form of discrimination of homosexuals, which by definition makes YOU THE BIGOT, not me.

Disagreeing with you consistently doesn't make them bigoted toward you. The problem is you are rating your debate skills much higher than they are, and so while you feel you've adequately shown a proper place for discrimination of homosexuals in the military, others see a mess of fallacies.

You failing to present a logical argument is not the same as obstinacy in others, capisce?

Edited, Dec 31st 2011 2:17pm by Allegory
#1893 Dec 31 2011 at 5:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Alma, you still need to take my OBVIOUSLY sarcastic remark out of your sig and replace it with the accurate "Alma's stupidity knows no bounds". Now. Or I will come through this monitor and it will NOT be pretty.
#1894 Dec 31 2011 at 5:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Alma, you still need to take my OBVIOUSLY sarcastic remark out of your sig and replace it with the accurate "Alma's stupidity knows no bounds". Now. Or I will come through this monitor and it will NOT be pretty.

If you cry to the mods long enough and threaten lawsuits, eventually they'll ban him.
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Nadenu wrote:
Alma, you still need to take my OBVIOUSLY sarcastic remark out of your sig and replace it with the accurate "Alma's stupidity knows no bounds". Now. Or I will come through this monitor and it will NOT be pretty.

If you cry to the mods long enough and threaten lawsuits, eventually they'll ban him.
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#1896 Dec 31 2011 at 9:04 PM Rating: Good
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Nadenu wrote:
Alma, you still need to take my OBVIOUSLY sarcastic remark out of your sig and replace it with the accurate "Alma's stupidity knows no bounds". Now. Or I will come through this monitor and it will NOT be pretty.

If you cry to the mods long enough and threaten lawsuits, eventually they'll ban him.


It could be libel and defamation of character all in one suit!
#1897 Dec 31 2011 at 10:27 PM Rating: Default
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Real substance is having 58 posts that repeatedly state "Post 206."


The substance is in post 206, the other posts are references due to the inability of others to grasp 206. Yes, I could cut/paste and regurgitate post 206 58 times or I could just reference it. If you decide to choose the dumber of the two, that only shows your level of intellect.

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You have absolutely no idea what intolerant means, do you? Protip: It doesn't mean that you think you're right and someone else is wrong.


I never said that it did, now did I?

Almalieque on the word "Intolerant" wrote:
The first definition keys on being obstinately or intolerant. Those are the key words. In other words, no matter what you say, s/he will not change their opinion.


You're confusing that with my application of the word bigot in the sense of this topic.

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Disagreeing with you consistently doesn't make them bigoted toward you.


I never once said that and I even denied that accusation in the previous post. At this point, you're just throwing crap out there hoping that I will snag on it in order to change the subject into something that you can win.
#1898 Dec 31 2011 at 10:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Since Alma's ignoring me, guess I'll have to cry to the mods. And I plan on leaving marks.
#1899 Dec 31 2011 at 10:49 PM Rating: Excellent
Almalieque wrote:
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You have absolutely no idea what intolerant means, do you? Protip: It doesn't mean that you think you're right and someone else is wrong.


I never said that it did, now did I?


Yes. When you said:

Almalieque wrote:
So, if you're a "die hard Republican" who believe that Republicans are always right in everything, that would make you a bigot. If you're a Protestant Christian who believes that Christians are always right in everything and everyone else is wrong, that would make you a bigot. If you believe that homosexuals are somehow magically exempt from any form of discrimination, unlike every other human trait known to man, that would make you a bigot.


So I say again: You're an idiot.
#1900 Dec 31 2011 at 10:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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the other posts are references due to the inability of others to grasp 206.

yeah, it must be EVERYONE ELSE'S fault.
#1901 Dec 31 2011 at 11:21 PM Rating: Default
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Belkira wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
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You have absolutely no idea what intolerant means, do you? Protip: It doesn't mean that you think you're right and someone else is wrong.


I never said that it did, now did I?


Yes. When you said:

Almalieque wrote:
So, if you're a "die hard Republican" who believe that Republicans are always right in everything, that would make you a bigot. If you're a Protestant Christian who believes that Christians are always right in everything and everyone else is wrong, that would make you a bigot. If you believe that homosexuals are somehow magically exempt from any form of discrimination, unlike every other human trait known to man, that would make you a bigot.


So I say again: You're an idiot.


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You're confusing that with my application of the word bigot in the sense of this topic.


You're making this too easy. There's a difference between being obstinate and being a bigot. Being a bigot consists of you being obstinate. Being obstinate doesn't make you a bigot. Intolerant is on the same level as bigotry. Both words were used in the definition of bigotry but not in discrimination. That's what allow them to be mutually exclusive.

Allegory claimed that bigotry is only acting against something, not for it. I countered his claim with the text you quoted that bigotry isn't one way. You can be bigoted for something as well, i.e. religion, politics and in this situation, homosexuality. That's the key difference between being obstinate vs being intolerable. In either case, they both fall under the word bigotry.

You took that APPLICATION of the word "bigot" and accused me of making it a definition of the word intolerant, while overlooking the word obstinate.
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