Omnibus Politics Thread: Campaign 2016 EditionFollow

OOOh! New market idea. Instead of coins, we sell silver bullets!

And that, kids, is how grandpa made his first million

Bullets people will instinctively hesitate to shoot because of the cost per round will make it much easier to brain them with a lead pipe and take their stuff.

I'm pretty sure at the rate the DNC's going, it's still gonna be about Russia "hacking the election".

You belly up to it, and buy them a round!

If the last few months are any indications, then all you need to do is look up what was said during the campaign and expect the opposite.

Hopefully Trump will destroy NATO and/or the EU sometime in the next two years and solve this little Brexit problem for us.

Will you really need healthcare during the apocalypse?

Or, in this case, a liberal's strawman version of the GOP dream agenda.



If "tearing down" means "putting more of the control over education in the hands of local educators rather than folks in an office in DC, then yeah, I guess so. Is that a bad thing?



Or... flipping it around, returning to private hands those things which the government had no business taking over in the first place. I guess this does kinda revolve over whether you think that government action increases or decreases the liberty of those who are governed.



Eh. All administrations "set taxes". Do you mean "lowering taxes"? Again, it's that whole issue about whether one thinks their money is better in their own hands or in the hands of the government.



Because everything that falls under the label of regulation/deregulation is identical, right? Removing unnecessary and harmful regulation is a good thing. We currently have far far too much of that right now.



Nope. That's actually something the Democrats have been doing. Obama's administration has been probably the least transparent administration ever.



You know? It's funny because I keep hearing this same thing repeated by a whole bunch of my liberal friends. Almost like they're repeating something they heard somewhere or something. And my response is the same each time: "so are you claiming that the Democrats in the Senate will not filibuster a single bill the GOP proposes?". To which, they usually hem and haw and stammer a bit.

It's not 100% on them. The things they push for and pass are. The things they fail to pass because it gets blocked in some way are not. What is usually the most telling is when we actually look at those things and then make a judgement about them. But of course, that requires that we actually wait and see what actually happens and who takes which actions.


I guess what bothers me the most about the nearly hysterical rhetoric going on right now on the left is how completely based on speculation it is. I seem to recall that when Obama won the election in 2008, I made a point of saying that he was my president and that I would withhold judgement until I saw him in action. Hoping for the best, as it were. Now, unfortunately, Obama proceeded to actually fulfill the fears about him almost immediately. He displayed overt racial bias with regard to professor Gates nearly on day one (and that bias has been evident in his public statements ever since). He launched into an agenda which included a massive spending campaign, clearly based on funding pet liberal projects under the guise of "economic recovery", which significantly increased our national debt (and well, did nothing to help recovery and arguably made that recovery slower and longer). I could go on with other things he did, but suffice to say my judgment of Obama is and has always been based on the actions he took while in office, not based on speculation about what he might do.


I'm taking the same exact approach with Trump. There's a whole lot of things he might do that I wont be happy with (just as there were with Obama). There's a whole lot of things he might do that I will be happy with (just like there were with Obama). But, just like with Obama, I'm going to wait and see what he actually does. Once again, hoping for the best. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the same of others.

Oh, look, it's Gbaji already preemptively trying to disavow responsibility for the GOP. Neat!

Your bank already has my money. But that happened years ago.

What can I say? I'm a giver.

I just can't wait to hear about all the stupid, vain, childish things Mr. President has to say in the future-- all over Twitter no less. I can't turn my head anywhere without seeing his hideous face.

The worst part about all of this is really: It isn't all about one man. This guy represents roughly half the country and now technically all of us. I remember back during the W. Bush years how ashamed I was to admit I was an American on the internet. This takes it to a whole new level.

How is it a hard act to follow? It's already done. The GOP is rolling over on a president who has hidden his business dealings, lied about separating himself from his businesses, is already in violation of the law due to those practices and has nominated a cabinet with huge gaps in their records that the Ethics office is going insane over and the GOP is saying "Shut up and let us just confirm them or we'll shut your office down".

It's not "hard to follow", it was easy. Done even before Trump took office.

The immediate spin from eight years of "OMG Obama mentioned BUSH!" to "But... Obama..." was nice though. I got a laugh out of that one.

Edited, Jan 21st 2017 10:10am by Jophiel