Nihilist Arbys is great. Been seeing it here and there on my feed for a while.
Edit: This was one of my favorites.
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Now, apparently it's also about ethics in freedom of expression for comic book artists(or, you know, the people I follow do things other than video games 
). And some Antis are trying to erase Irish identity just in time for St. Patrick's day.
Edited, Mar 17th 2015 3:53am by Poldaran
). And some Antis are trying to erase Irish identity just in time for St. Patrick's day. Edited, Mar 17th 2015 3:53am by Poldaran
What's exactly wrong with that picture? I mean other than Batgirl's new outfit. Oh well, DC yanked the variant cover due to all the threats of violence and death.
Edited, Mar 17th 2015 9:32am by lolgaxe
Edited, Mar 17th 2015 9:32am by lolgaxe
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Now, apparently it's also about ethics in freedom of expression for comic book artists(or, you know, the people I follow do things other than video games ). And some Antis are trying to erase Irish identity just in time for St. Patrick's day.
). And some Antis are trying to erase Irish identity just in time for St. Patrick's day.NÇ xiÇŽo kà n nÇš rén ma
I'm sure they are, Poldaran. I'm sure they are.
Timelordwho wrote:
I'm not quite sure that scheming is an emotion.
lolgaxe wrote:
What's exactly wrong with that picture? I mean other than Batgirl's new outfit. Oh well, DC yanked the variant cover due to all the threats of violence and death.
Edit: A number of people suspect the whole thing was a publicity stunt, so there's also that.
Edited, Mar 17th 2015 8:25am by Poldaran
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
What's exactly wrong with that picture? I mean other than Batgirl's new outfit. Oh well, DC yanked the variant cover due to all the threats of violence and death.
You didn't read "The Killing Joke"? It was pretty much rape sans insertion.
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
What's exactly wrong with that picture? I mean other than Batgirl's new outfit. Oh well, DC yanked the variant cover due to all the threats of violence and death.
Edit: And though it does kinda make a reference to Killing Joke in fact kinda rapey, it's still seems silly to call for pulling a cover that's based on canon.
Edited, Mar 17th 2015 9:15am by Poldaran
Some people complained that it looked too "rapey".
It is too rapey. The primary problem is that the cover only works because of Barbara's weakness, which isn't really something her modern character has. So what makes her weak then? Having a ******. Moore's point in Killing Joke is the same as it is in Watchmen, that a naturalistic view of superheros and supervillians would result in them all being highly damaged psychopaths. He has Joker shoot Barbara to remind us that he's viewing these people as not invulnerable. I'm sure he would have rather had batman shot, but obviously faced limitations over what he could do with the characters. I don't think gender had much to do with it. There's a separate argument that Moore writes women as extremely vulnerable and prone to being raped, but in my opinion this is just his attempt to reflect the reality that women are more at risk for that than men.
That isn't the point of this cover. The point of this cover is to take Barbara, who has in many ways become a bit of a feminist icon, and say "hey, remember! You're still weak. Be scared, ok?" Which speaks to the 30 year old male libertarian IT flunky that makes up comics' primary audience these days. For this sort of cover to be defensible, one would have to be able to replace Barb with Jason or Damien or **** and have it work just as well on an emotional level. It doesn't though, because they don't have have vaginas. It devalues an important character for cheap emotional hooks on a cover that doesn't even really reflect the storyline. It's a nice homage to Bolland's work on KJ as a set piece of art. As a cover for this story-line it doesn't work.
Is it a publicity stunt? Maybe. There are better ways to draw attention to your comics though. Hire Fiona Staples to do a variant cover, maybe.
It is too rapey. The primary problem is that the cover only works because of Barbara's weakness, which isn't really something her modern character has. So what makes her weak then? Having a ******. Moore's point in Killing Joke is the same as it is in Watchmen, that a naturalistic view of superheros and supervillians would result in them all being highly damaged psychopaths. He has Joker shoot Barbara to remind us that he's viewing these people as not invulnerable. I'm sure he would have rather had batman shot, but obviously faced limitations over what he could do with the characters. I don't think gender had much to do with it. There's a separate argument that Moore writes women as extremely vulnerable and prone to being raped, but in my opinion this is just his attempt to reflect the reality that women are more at risk for that than men.
That isn't the point of this cover. The point of this cover is to take Barbara, who has in many ways become a bit of a feminist icon, and say "hey, remember! You're still weak. Be scared, ok?" Which speaks to the 30 year old male libertarian IT flunky that makes up comics' primary audience these days. For this sort of cover to be defensible, one would have to be able to replace Barb with Jason or Damien or **** and have it work just as well on an emotional level. It doesn't though, because they don't have have vaginas. It devalues an important character for cheap emotional hooks on a cover that doesn't even really reflect the storyline. It's a nice homage to Bolland's work on KJ as a set piece of art. As a cover for this story-line it doesn't work.
Is it a publicity stunt? Maybe. There are better ways to draw attention to your comics though. Hire Fiona Staples to do a variant cover, maybe.
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Smasharoo wrote:
As a cover for this story-line it doesn't work.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Probably because it's a variant cover for the 75th anniversary of The Joker.
A variant cover for Batgirl. Not a boxed set or something. Context matters, you can stop playing pretend that it doesn't any time now.
A variant cover for Batgirl. Not a boxed set or something. Context matters, you can stop playing pretend that it doesn't any time now.
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lolgaxe wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
As a cover for this story-line it doesn't work.
Damn. If I had known, I would have gotten him something.
Smasharoo wrote:
Context matters, you can stop playing pretend that it doesn't any time now.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
The Joker is a **** villain. Killer Croc's way better.
Timelordwho wrote:
I'm not quite sure that scheming is an emotion.
Making up context just to justify your rhetoric is fun and all, but the fact of the matter is the cover has nothing to do with the new book's storyline.
Right, that's the problem, genius.
Right, that's the problem, genius.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Right, that's the problem, genius.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
The problem is that DC is sleeping on a pile of gold in the form of KC, the perfect foil for Batman. They should rename themselves to Dragon Comics.
Come to think of it, a dragon would be a pretty good Batman villain in its own right.
Come to think of it, a dragon would be a pretty good Batman villain in its own right.
Timelordwho wrote:
I'm not quite sure that scheming is an emotion.
Couldn't be any worse than Killer Moth.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
What DC has been doing is a run of variants across all titles that have nothing to do with each individual titles story, but carry a them across the variants. These are incentive purchases for the cover, but there is an "official" cover that generally has more to do with the actual comic it appears on
Things they have done recently, off the top of my head:
Lego Superhero Covers
Flash Covers
Selfie Covers
Retro Look Sideways Covers
Harley Quinn Covers
Joker Covers
Things they have done recently, off the top of my head:
Lego Superhero Covers
Flash Covers
Selfie Covers
Retro Look Sideways Covers
Harley Quinn Covers
Joker Covers
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What DC has been doing is a run of variants across all titles that have nothing to do with each individual titles story, but carry a them across the variants. These are incentive purchases for the cover, but there is an "official" cover that generally has more to do with the actual comic it appears on
Yes, but they should be consistent with the current character of the ******* book they are for. Which really isn't that hard. The Detective Comics variants shouldn't use DKR 1000 year old Batman and Carrie as Robin.
Yes, but they should be consistent with the current character of the ******* book they are for. Which really isn't that hard. The Detective Comics variants shouldn't use DKR 1000 year old Batman and Carrie as Robin.
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Smasharoo wrote:
The Detective Comics variants shouldn't use DKR 1000 year old Batman and Carrie as Robin.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
If it were for a milestone, or some theme across the rest of the solicitations then it should.
No, it really shouldn't. Barbara has had tons of interactions with the Joker where she isn't weak, crying, and completely vulnerable. EVEN if you really wanted to do that cover, he doesn't need to be in it for it to work. Look at Sienkiewicz' Green Arrow cover. Evokes the same theme without Joker in frame, thus avoids the "about to be raped" context.
IF you really can't see how this was an issue you'r fucking tone deaf. People can publish whatever art they like, but this wasn't a "social justice warrior" over reaction, this was a cover that subverts what the book is doing, and is, frankly, lazy. Just a bad creative decision, not "political correctness".
No, it really shouldn't. Barbara has had tons of interactions with the Joker where she isn't weak, crying, and completely vulnerable. EVEN if you really wanted to do that cover, he doesn't need to be in it for it to work. Look at Sienkiewicz' Green Arrow cover. Evokes the same theme without Joker in frame, thus avoids the "about to be raped" context.
IF you really can't see how this was an issue you'r fucking tone deaf. People can publish whatever art they like, but this wasn't a "social justice warrior" over reaction, this was a cover that subverts what the book is doing, and is, frankly, lazy. Just a bad creative decision, not "political correctness".
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Smasharoo wrote:
Barbara has had tons of interactions with the Joker where she isn't weak, crying, and completely vulnerable.
Smasharoo wrote:
People can publish whatever art they like, but this wasn't a "social justice warrior" over reaction, this was a cover that subverts what the book is doing, and is, frankly, lazy.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
I guess the real question is, what is the result that you think should occur due to this choice of cover?
Just as Planned.
I think he was specifically trying to avoid playing the social justice card and taking pains to characterise his remarks otherwise.
Timelordwho wrote:
I'm not quite sure that scheming is an emotion.
If you really want to play that SJW card, this book says that disabled people are of no value to society
Right, that's totally the message of Barbara recovering. I agree it's a dumb retcon. It's not in any way intentionally offensive to disabled people. While we're here, Hellblazer doesn't say people with lung cancer are worthless.
Right, that's totally the message of Barbara recovering. I agree it's a dumb retcon. It's not in any way intentionally offensive to disabled people. While we're here, Hellblazer doesn't say people with lung cancer are worthless.
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