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#1602 Jan 12 2015 at 10:56 PM Rating: Good
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Woot! Based Gamer got funded. Here's hoping it'll be as good as I think it will.
#1603 Jan 13 2015 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
Good for you. Just what your cause needs, another aggregate video game review site. I'm sure you're all very proud of yourselves.
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#1604 Jan 13 2015 at 10:47 PM Rating: Good
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Good for you. Just what your cause needs, another aggregate video game review site. I'm sure you're all very proud of yourselves.

One that bypasses corrupt journalists and puts the power of review in the hands of the actual consumers? Yeah, somehow I'm cool with that.
#1605 Jan 14 2015 at 12:09 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
Good for you. Just what your cause needs, another aggregate video game review site. I'm sure you're all very proud of yourselves.

One that bypasses corrupt journalists and puts the power of review in the hands of the actual consumers? Yeah, somehow I'm cool with that.

How is it going to be better than when I look up a game on Wikipedia and scroll down to the "critical reception" section. They have the little box that shows:

          Reception 
       Aggregate scores 
Aggregator	       Score 
GameRankings	    (PC) 95.16% 
                  (X360) 94.00% 
                   (PS3) 93.95% 
Metacritic	         95/100 
 
          Review scores 
Publication	         Score 
1UP.com	                 A+ 
Edge                     9/10 
Eurogamer	         10/10 
Famitsu	                 37 (10/9/9/9) 
G4	                 5/5 
Game Informer	         9.5/10 
GameSpot	         9.0/10 
IGN	                 9.5/10 
PC Gamer US	         94/100


Are all those publications corrupt? Are there games that breeze through those with all 9's because the slutty female developer f**ked the reviewer?
#1606 Jan 14 2015 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
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#1607 Jan 14 2015 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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Are there games that breeze through those with all 9's because the slutty female developer f**ked the reviewer?
Nice attempt to frame possible responses. There's more to corruption beyond slutty female devs. There's also payola. Lots and lots of payola.

Damn, work interrupts. Will finish thought later.
#1608 Jan 14 2015 at 7:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Will finish thought later.
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#1609 Jan 14 2015 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
Good for you. Just what your cause needs, another aggregate video game review site. I'm sure you're all very proud of yourselves.

One that bypasses corrupt journalists and puts the power of review in the hands of the actual consumers? Yeah, somehow I'm cool with that.


If someone wants to try and make a go of another game review site, power to them.

But, I would argue that simply being a journalist does not make one corrupt, nor does being a non-journalist gamer make one honest/ethical.

Presumably journalist do what they do because we they're educated and skilled in making the written word something of value for all us non-journalists to absorb.
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#1610 Jan 14 2015 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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Sounds like Rotten Tomato for vidyas.
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#1611 Jan 14 2015 at 8:00 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Presumably journalist do what they do because we they're educated and skilled in making the written word something of value for all us non-journalists to absorb.
Historically maybe. In today's world of blogs and what not, I'm not so sure anymore.
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#1612 Jan 14 2015 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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Sounds like Rotten Tomato for vidyas.

That was in the description on the 'give me money' page Pol linked.
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#1613 Jan 14 2015 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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Hey just a thought; Goodreads is a really nice site for book-readers to review books, but there is also space for discussion, even the authors will come in and discuss their books.

How about a sister site "Goodplays" for gamers?
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#1614 Jan 14 2015 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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trickybeck wrote:
How is it going to be better than when I look up a game on Wikipedia and scroll down to the "critical reception" section. They have the little box that shows:

          Reception 
       Aggregate scores 
Aggregator	       Score 
GameRankings	    (PC) 95.16% 
                  (X360) 94.00% 
                   (PS3) 93.95% 
Metacritic	         95/100 
 
          Review scores 
Publication	         Score 
1UP.com	                 A+ 
Edge                     9/10 
Eurogamer	         10/10 
Famitsu	                 37 (10/9/9/9) 
G4	                 5/5 
Game Informer	         9.5/10 
GameSpot	         9.0/10 
IGN	                 9.5/10 
PC Gamer US	         94/100


Are all those publications corrupt? Are there games that breeze through those with all 9's because the slutty female developer f**ked the reviewer?
To continue where I was going before my trainee came back from the restroom: Ultimately, with what we've seen with the whole GameJournoPros thing, a lot of these people have been treating each other as coworkers more than as competition. So there's no guarantee that even if they aren't being influenced by devs that they aren't being influenced by each other. In such a situation, one person's agenda is more likely to influence a game's scores.

Another factor I like about Based Gamer over other options is that critics are often out of touch with the audience. Rotten Tomatoes has been mentioned and is a good example of that. There are tons of movies that critics pan but moviegoers find worth their money for the experience. I think we'd all benefit from seeing something similar with games, where you can see not only what critics think, but what the audience thinks. Ultimately, this is my favorite aspect of the site's potential.

Additionally, I like the Based Gamer system of breaking a game down so you can see exactly which areas a game does well and which it struggles with. Ultimately, I prefer a system with absolutely no scores on it(and Kudos to Joystiq for going to a scoreless system recently) in which you read entire articles before deciding whether you should buy something. I think that's best for the consumer. But I'm also a realist and know that people are lazy and want something they can get a quick look at to make an instant decision. And between having more input than just a small handful of critics(who can be easy targets for payola or can be more easily influenced by a friend or two in the industry) and having scores broken down into a number of more likely to be objective categories, I think the consumer benefits. That's why I'm tentatively excited at the possibilities the new site represents.

I have no guarantees that it will live up to my hopes, but it's nice to have something that at least has some potential to do so. Besides, if we're going to burn down those sites that refuse to address ethical issues, it'd be nice if we put something new in their place.

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Elinda wrote:
Presumably journalist do what they do because we they're educated and skilled in making the written word something of value for all us non-journalists to absorb.
Historically maybe. In today's world of blogs and what not, I'm not so sure anymore.
Every time someone at Kotaku gets called a journalist unironically, Walter Cronkite's corpse gets one step closer to leaping forth from the depths of the earth to slay us all.
#1615 Jan 14 2015 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Hey just a thought; Goodreads is a really nice site for book-readers to review books, but there is also space for discussion, even the authors will come in and discuss their books.

How about a sister site "Goodplays" for gamers?
Ultimately, the discussion part is more or less the function forums(especially official forums) seem to hold now, isn't it?
#1616 Jan 14 2015 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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I can't think of any type of website I have more contempt for than official forums.
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#1617 Jan 14 2015 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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#1618 Jan 14 2015 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Hey just a thought; Goodreads is a really nice site for book-readers to review books, but there is also space for discussion, even the authors will come in and discuss their books.

How about a sister site "Goodplays" for gamers?
Ultimately, the discussion part is more or less the function forums(especially official forums) seem to hold now, isn't it?

I've never seen anything that resembles a forum on Goodreads.

My nook is always prompting me to use the site. So I have an account. Occasionally I go get reviews on books and leave my reviews on book. Recently I went to look at the Auri book, the author, P. Rothfuss had added his own review of the book (he warned against buying it). Fwiw, I loved the story. Smiley: smile

Pol I know that you want to believe journalists are all scum, in fact your movement banks on it. Like any profession there are good and bad journalists. Also, because you don't agree with the content doesn't make a journalist unethical. You espouse individuality but are continually painting groups of peoples the same disdainful color because of something an individual did or said.

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#1619 Jan 14 2015 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
I've never seen anything that resembles a forum on Goodreads.
I was talking about it the other way around. Forums do something similar to Good Reads.


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Pol I know that you want to believe journalists are all scum, in fact your movement banks on it. Like any profession there are good and bad journalists. Also, because you don't agree with the content doesn't make a journalist unethical. You espouse individuality but are continually painting groups of peoples the same disdainful color because of something an individual did or said.
Didn't say they all are. Some were unethical. Many were apathetic to the problems in their industry. But not all of them, though it does seem to have tainted many - if not most - major publications. In fact, I can name a number of publications I at least tentatively trust. But without safeguards in place to prevent abuses, or at least punish them properly, why take the risk that someone might prove unethical? Either the editors fix the situation and win our trust back, or we'll make those who aren't willing to do so obsolete.

IGN, for instance, has taken the first step. If they keep on it and prove that they're willing to earn our trust, then I'll be happy to have them as part of our future. But the fact that we've had to go here at all means we had a system that was too centralized on a small number of journalists. We can't go back to that. Those that have the will to stand with consumers can be a part of the future of gaming. But things will be different. No matter how this ends, things won't go back to how they were.

I'm optimistic, however, that things will get better. I think Based Gamer is a part of that better future. It's not going to replace what we had before. But it will be a part of making what we have in the future better. At least, that's what I believe.

#1620 Jan 14 2015 at 12:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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"Based Gamer" is a terrible name. A gamer who is... based?
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#1621 Jan 14 2015 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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Based - implying highest level of cool.

You're old.
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Maybe but I have more disposable income for video games than people who walk around saying "based".

On the other hand, I also probably have more disposable income than people who flip out over game journalism as well so maybe I'm still not the target demo here.
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#1623 Jan 14 2015 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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One that bypasses corrupt journalists and puts the power of review in the hands of the actual consumers?

Yeah, an industry that employs data scientists and is willing to spend money on having good reviews will *never* riddle out how to game that.

Should have just given me $50k and I could have just laughed at each donor and saved them time.
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#1624 Jan 14 2015 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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I think Based Gamer is a part of that better future. It's not going to replace what we had before. But it will be a part of making what we have in the future better. At least, that's what I believe.

What did you have before?





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#1625 Jan 14 2015 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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Should have just given me $50k and I could have just laughed at each donor and saved them time.
Another missed opportunity.
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#1626 Jan 14 2015 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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Just start a Patreon and you can get lots of money to laugh at donors as long as you update somewhat regularly.
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