Fear terrorists? Nah, fear stupidity.Follow

NOTE: I never claimed to be a "bible scholar" and also claimed MANY times to be anew in my walk..and as stated eariler, it's not uncommon for me to exhibit typo's. but if your looking for something to poke at me with, then fine. I'll oblige.

I apologize for not splurting out scripture left and right. I kind of assumed most readers (from reading the posts) either were not familiar with scripture or did not take a liking to it. So i figured putting my views and thoughts into my own words would be better, especially since they were my thoughts and views that were being asked of me...not of scripture.

whats the matter pat? you came at me attacking my beliefs...something I still feel amused by. you say I'm brainwashed, but yet YOUR the one that seems to have a problem here. you say I display all the symptoms of a brainwashed person. well you are displaying all the symptoms of a bitter person, but you've already said your not bitter.

you know nothing about me pat..and in reality you probably know very little about a lot of things that come out of your mouth. am I saying your stupid? not by a long shot..but the fact that you come onto a messageboard and attack other peoples person beliefs and views expressed as a direct result of questions asked about said views, says volumes about your character. are you looking for an ego fix? someone to tell you that your the smartest man alive? that you can't be wrong?

get over yourself. whatever has happened in your life is your own doing, and nothing you say here is going to make me want to follow a single step of that sad existance. but the last thing I am going to do is bring the bible, God or Christ into a personal battle on a messageboard to give some sad little man some sort of personal satisfaction that you yourself probably can't even identify with. If it doesn't glorify God, then don't bother.

have fun now arguing with yourself. you got an honest question about my personal views and can be respectable about communicating like smash did, then have at it and I'll give you the same respect in return. otherwise, look for a pat on the back elsewhere, you won't get it from me.

By whom?


Well, that's contrary to the whole point of the Bible. The idea is SPECIFICALLY that non belivers will comprehend the truths of it and, hance, become belivers.

That's what the whole book is. A series of stories deomstrating why Judeo-Christanity is the way to live along with a set of instructions how to live that way.




You know, I began this respecting your right to believe what you'd like, but I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you're ALARMINGLY DESPERATE to be "special" somehow. To belong to something that others can't understand. You're a cult recruit waiting to happen. I suppose I should be happy you stumbled across whatever bizarre snake handling form of Christanity you did before you found Scientology or whatnot. Either way, the life your leading IS ABSOLUTELY NOT reflective of what Jesus taught.



You know, I'd wager all of my worldy posessions that if we took the average IQ of Aitheists and Christians that the Atheists would win. That has nothing to do with one side being "right" or not in the impossible to prove proposition of if there's a God or not, but implying that non-belivers in Chrisanity are less inteligent than belivers is simply, patently, untrue.



I don't want to debate anything. I wan't to understand where YOUR PERSONAL BELIEFS come from. If that's the Bible, say so. If it's someone telling you what to believe, say so. If God speaks to you by making sentances out of your Alphabits in the moring, say so. You're arguing with me about A QUESTION YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED YET. I've heard of people being defensive, but this has to be some sort of record.

If your so uncumfortable with what you believe that you can't even speak as to why you belive it, you sir, are full of **** and lacking in faith.

WWJD man? Run away and not have the balls to stand up for what he believed?

I am exhausted from reading this thread and trying to extract relevant argument from all of the bias seeping out of your pores. Regardless of where you stand on the issue of creationism or evolution the fact remains it is an article of faith to believe in either one.

Argue with that all you like, but evolution has no more standing or scientific basis-- indeed much much less --than creationism. It comes down to each of you choosing to believe in something which cannot be empiracally proven.

Do I believe in Creation? Yes, I do. Does that negate evolution? Not necessarily. And vice versa. Either way, I'd have to make a leap of faith that one idea is more valid than the other.

To add religion-- Christianity specifically --into the discussion is just a red herring to rile up emotions.

Totem

Yeah, that's not even vaguely true. BASED ON WHAT WOULD YOU SAY EVOLUTION HAS **MUCH LESS** STANDING ON A SCIENTIFIC BASIS??

Evolution presupposes nothing. Evolution is the theory that species evolve based upon natural selection and genetic mutation. We know natural selection exists because species go extinct. Ask the Dodo. We know genetic mutation exists. Where's the lack of evidence? There's no presupposition that order emerges out of chaos. There's FAR more order to an ameoba than there is to the wild variation and diversity of life that exists now.



When has that even occured?


No. My belief is the most logically sound conclusion I can derive from the existing EVIDENCE. You know, EVIDENCE, the thing utterly lacking from every religion on the globe?

ok..now I am starting to understand you a little more pat. I apologize if I came at you wrongly, but there seems to be a little mis-understanding in our arguements. I appreciate your concern and definately respect it..I can even sympathize with WHY you have them. But wherever you got the idea that I blindly follow what I hear on the radio or TV is wrong. I won't deny that when someone says something that makes sense, I hear a little ding in my head and I want to believe it...but that doesnt mean I do.

IE. I was brought up to believe in post-millenia doctrine. my whole life I have thought that as the truth for the very reasons you are stating. every day of that life I've been frustrated though because it never made sense. It was a never-ending string of doomsday prophets predicting the end as tomorrow. Then I started listening to this family radio (keep in mind i've divorced the idea of returning to church). They presented not a doctrine, but the bible. Any interpretation was backed by strings of scripture. They talked about the end of the church age, and it made sense. I know better than to believe something just because it makes sense though and I called them and asked them for documentation. They sent me loads of stuff free of charge and I'm now reading Jeremiah and Isaiah for what seems like the first time.

I'm sold on some of their ideas, and some I'm not so sure about. Either way, I'm not committing them to belief until I read it and interpret it that way myself. I've seen a ton of people fall astray including myself because of this and I don't wish it to happen again. I apologize for coming across any other way...its tough to have an opinion and believe at the same time without getting one or the other squashed as a result of having the other.

Smash..your an idiot. your either posting to see yourself post or instigating to get a rise. Either way, your an idiot. I answered your stupid question many times and your too thick-headed to see it. No combination of font size or bold/italic mix is going to change that.

You asked for personal experiences leading to my belief and I told you (in which you responded):



Which tells me volumes about yourself. Satan knows the bible word for word, cover to cover..and he's a horrible thing. Your no better, and your smokescreen of asking the same questions regardless of the answer and manipulation of context is wasting all of our time. I'm done talking with you, and may God have mercy on your soul.

May God have mercy on your soul for saying that, Moe.

Shamelessly ripped from another thread.

and flatulator is "teh suxx0r5" for having the same inability to understand the true meaning of a post from another that we all have because feeling can rarely be conveyed through a quick post thrown up by someone on a public messageboard.

so...i know you are but what am i?

Oh, we have reached some dizzying heights now...

You need learn spell and grammar school lesson.

"approved posting criteria" should be that the post makes some kind of sense. Now, the intent of your post wasn't too hard to figure out (unless you meant to say "You need [gold bond] medicated powder" or something) but some of the more literate members of this board find such mangling of the english language amusing (at least that's my reasoning).

Well this is what started this all off. There is nothing in Scripture that requires you to believe that evolution did not occur. As has been pointed out many times in this thread, Creationism and Evolution are not mutually exclusive. It is perfectly ok (as per the bible) to believe that God created life using evolution. Given the evidence on Earth, most Christians would conclude that this was how God created life, praise the Lord and his mysterious ways.

Either that or He was a devious ******* and created a fossil record just for ***** and giggles. He always was a great practicle joker that God.

I bet you believe that it really did start with one guy called Adam, his ***** Eve, an apple and a talking snake too. Right?