Gilsellers Delayed but not goneFollow

Or you since lots of people have seen my first post and know what I'm talking about. It's just that you don't seem to.

And Raise III

Bah. Do you realize how much R3 drops from ENM now? It used to be a decent piece of loot to split, now it's easier to just let people lot.

I don't think I've even seen R3 the last 7 Kirins I've done. Besides, between the BLM party KSNM & Tomato's non-stop Genbu fest, they still are barely pushing V. Claw under 5 million.

Everyone loves to blame gilsellers for raising prices through the roof. Sure, they're a part of it. But let's also look at:

- People who buy gil. When you can take a few bucks, plop it down at your favorite website, and buy the gear of your dreams, why worried about how that screws everyone else?

- High levels renting gear. When I needed to level WHM, I bought astrals for a few days. When I needed to level THF, I bought emp. hairpin & leaping boots. Was I worried about the price? No, because I'd resell them when I was done, and eat the auction fees.

- Whether they farmed it, bought it, crafted it, stole it, whatever...there's a HUGE amount of gil floating around in the game. People buy flame rings for a +1 STR boost over Ruby, don't you think that maybe they have a little bit of disposable income?

I'm just tired of the constant "omg the gilsellers did this", "omg he must buy gil", "omg SE patch is coming out, it's going to ruin X, won't fix Y, they'll just do Z" attitude that seems to be the party line in any forum.

But anyways, I got off on a rant. This still doesn't negate the fact that your one line premise is flawed. It simply doesn't make economic sense to try and tie up a single mob, just to raise prices.

Please, in this hypothetical example, explain to me why this would happen (and if it did, why it would be bad.):

Emperor's Hairpin now drops in ENM30.

GilfarmerJoe is mad about this, and kills VE for 2 years straight. The new hairpin from VE is rare/ex, so these all just drop off into the ether.

Lyden tries to camp VE, but cannot beat the mighty gilfarmers. He gets some friends together, and does ENM30s until the hairpin drops. He is happy.

How does GilfarmerJoe make any money here? Does he have a crack team of ENM specialists doing this as well? Does he have 50000 accounts set up to get around the 96 hour restrictions?

Please. If SE gives people a reasonable way to get an item, and they STILL want to buy it, let them.

-ly

Lesse, with effort it takes me about 2 weeks to get 60 beastman seals. And by effort I mean, whoa. Takes about a week to get 30 Kindred Seals if i'm really really in the mood to xp or to solo. It takes me trading 1 item to an NPC or it takes me climbing Ulegurand Range or it takes me simply talking to an NPC to go to an ENM.

700k Astral Ring > time it takes to get seals
Effort to do ENM < 900k Emperor's Hairpin

And that includes the harder Mine Shaft ENM's. In fact, i'd rather go through an ENM tour to get enough money to just go out and buy whatever item I need from a KSBC or BSBC than to do the seal battle at all.

Ok then put it this way. Everyone else will be trying to get it so your chances now are very low if you try to attempt the NMs with the rare/ex drop.

These are the new Rare/ex items:

Peacock Amulet Rare/ex
dark-10 Accuracy+10
Ranged Accuracy+10
Lv.33 All Jobs

Bounding Boots rare/ex
DEF:3 DEX+3 AGI+3
Lv.7 WAR/RDM/THF/PLD/DRK/BST/
BRD/RNG/SAM/NIN/DRG

Shikaree Ring rare/ex
Accuracy+2 Range Accuracy+2
Lv.29

Empress Hairpin rare/ex
HP-15 DEX+3 AGI+3 Evasion+10
Lv.24 All Jobs

They will be dropping from the same mobs that dropped the old items. The old items will be moved to other venues of aquisition. I think it wont really effect the prices of the old items too much. I think if anything we will see a slitgh overall decreasse in those prices as the only advantage these old items possess over the new ones is the ability to send them from char to char.
Exception: one of the items that has been changed is used to craft a very sought after item. I feel that the prices of the sought after item will skyrocket (i beleive this is snipers ring? well look at the AH history looks like the gillsellers pulled out a Hiptaru and bankripted the AH of all its archer rings...imagine that ^^)

And finally to whomever was posting that gilsellers will outcamp people for rare/ex drops, and then calling people slow for not undertsnading your skewed perspective.....

Gilsellers do not camp Rare/ex drops unless there are other non rare/ex drops to sell. You fail to understand how gilselling works. These folks sit in rooms and get paid if they MAKE gil on a DAILY basis. They do this so than have life commodities like food and a place to sleep. They arent gonna waste days if not weeks of theyre time trying to camp an item so we cant get it so that the price slow rises on the ones that they have. Why would they? We as players will overcamp the mob for them so they can move onto to other camps and STILL gain benefit. And then they get to eat and such. So before you go calling people slow because they dont agree with you perhaps you should THINK about the topic at hand instead of just assuming worst case scenario.

Thanks,

GOB
(spelling errors...sorry about it if there are)

Jaeger ring and that one kote (both rare/ex) didn't change the price of snipers and ochiudo that much. They have almost the same stats. I think you all are over reacting, I think the prices will continue to go up on those items but more or less along the line with current inflation rates. Why do people want the non rare/ex emperor pin and leaping boots now? Aside from the good stat there is such a thing as value and status. Why do people pay so much more money for an extra 1 point of a stat on a +1 gear? Its the omgwtfuber status. People who want status will always buy the non rare/ex boots and pins because they represent your wealth. Its the difference between paying 300k for a merman gorget and several mil for spectacles. Granted I'm using items that aren't exact copies like our situation, but I think the general thinking is the same. Aside from skills, attitude and such, if you see a random stranger on the street of Jeuno, his gears will be the only thing that tells you what he might be like. The gears and how it was obtained affected how a player is viewed not if the actual item is worth the money/effort etc.

So the scenario that people would just go ahead and camp the rare/ex version instead of buying the real leaping boots might exist, but not much so as I see it: The location of the loot to BCNM wouldn't change the price as much because as I see it, there are two markets for these items. The second/third job players with money will always be willing to shell out for boots while the new players with little resources camp the rare/ex. Sure there will be people that would say, why pay when i can get for free. But for the most part, having either boot or pin will affect the way you are view (he's rich, , willing to camp, not willing to camp, etc.) This is SE's ways of helping out the new comer to the game, when leaping boots doesn't cost 150k like it use to. High prices force firstimers to gimp along without any money for good gears. I think this was designed to even the playing field.

Edited, Wed Jul 20 11:18:11 2005 by Bowser

Was just using them as an example since people seem to love to blame them about the price increases than look at themselves who buy the items. I also did mention that it would still be over-camped.

The whole point of me posting was to argue against the items being rare/ex are going to make things better or change anything. They'll be much more harder to come by (auctionable ones), much more people will be camping them so you're chances are even lower, and people will keep buying from the AH and the price will increase. I bet that a few of the items will double in price and people will still buy them.