Ok, I have friends that are in HNM shells. I want to get Eurytos' Bow, which is obviously something that's hard to save up for, as I'm not putting RNG or NIN or my craft leveling on hold for it. I'm trying to get it by camping, much like your Joyeuse.
Or perhaps for a better example, Othinus' Bow. Those two bows are, much like (maybe even more so, seeing as RDM don't always melee) your sword, and important piece of equip.
My brother is indeed a level 73 NIN. Do I expect him and any of my friends to drop anything if I see either of those two NMs up?
**** no.
In fact, I've sat there and watched two people I considered friends claim and kill Wyvernpoacher Drachlox in front of me, knowing full well that I needed that crossbow more than the level 75 whatever person that was getting it for his level 50 RNG.
But I never ***** about it unless it's to say, "ah ****, xxx is here again to kill this damn NM. There go my shots at getting obow tonight." And I leave it at that. No ******** about friends not showing up to camp with me.
I know they have lives and they have better things to do than sit in Fei'Yin or Gustav tunnel staring at mobs for hours on end just to get me a bow that I don't exactly need to keep leveling. In fact, if people wanted to do that I'd probably ask them if they were feeling well.
Same with Rank 7 and ZM8. I know that if I really wanted to that I could rally the troops for some day in the future to get those done and get sky and my PPA, but I don't want to be a ***** about it like you are.
Fact is, you can either go with the flow and get stuff done for yourself eventually, or you can be a ***** about it and whine like you do. Guess we now know why someone isn't in an HNM shell.
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I know Aphrasia in game, and have no problem with him.
I never help anyone expecting it back. I like getting random invites for pty. Most of the time I never would level without them. Anytime a pld has flag up people take that as they are free to help, and off I go to help usually.
I've had random people help me though, and I never did anything for them. A had a random thf(LJ) that I believe is in Iron solo my coffer key and find the coffer, so I could do my AF 60 NM fight. Person even paid for the port or maybe got a friend to do it free can't remember.
Many people want that sword, I want it. If you want the ubber rare/ex stuff you need a ls you just trashed though.
You should just be happy you could play yesterday and not worry about it.
Aphrasia, if it is possible I do recommend you delete your thread. Someday you probably will want to join a HNM ls, and you just trashed them all. Most people in HNM LS just want new things to do, it isn't like you are a horrible person if your in one. Some of the nicest most helpful people in the game are in them.
I never help anyone expecting it back. I like getting random invites for pty. Most of the time I never would level without them. Anytime a pld has flag up people take that as they are free to help, and off I go to help usually.
I've had random people help me though, and I never did anything for them. A had a random thf(LJ) that I believe is in Iron solo my coffer key and find the coffer, so I could do my AF 60 NM fight. Person even paid for the port or maybe got a friend to do it free can't remember.
Many people want that sword, I want it. If you want the ubber rare/ex stuff you need a ls you just trashed though.
You should just be happy you could play yesterday and not worry about it.
Aphrasia, if it is possible I do recommend you delete your thread. Someday you probably will want to join a HNM ls, and you just trashed them all. Most people in HNM LS just want new things to do, it isn't like you are a horrible person if your in one. Some of the nicest most helpful people in the game are in them.
This is like a one legged man in an *** kicking contest.
The humiliation is abundant, and someone won't be getting into an HNM ls anytime soon when they decide they want to forget about this, and no one else has.
And weeeeeee.
The humiliation is abundant, and someone won't be getting into an HNM ls anytime soon when they decide they want to forget about this, and no one else has.
And weeeeeee.
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I understand where Aphrasia is coming from but I also understand where everyone else is coming from. Sure, people might be too busy doing their own things or maybe they are on an LS event in which they don't want to leave. I myself usually help people when they ask for it since I'm usually not doing much, other than farming or questing...or lfg in Jeuno. My LS comes first and foremost with the helping aspect though. If someone is shouting in Jueno for help and my LS has something planned, I will not join the person shouting. Now, when and if my LS event is done and I still see that person shouting, I'll give them a /tell to see if I can be of any assistance. I even offered random help in my low 50's but usually was too low to actually do anything but get in the way. Hell, it took me near an entire month just to get my last item for G1... that cursed paper. Shouting and asking for help day in and day out.
Here is where I can see where Aphrasia is coming from. While I was shouting, I saw countless people run by me in full AF or AF2. I have also witnessed random high level people sitting in the same spot for hours chatting in /say while I was sitting there shouting for help. Could these people have helped me? Yes, but they were too absorbed in themselves or standing at the AH for hours on end to help me. I also asked a few friends of mine to come and help but either they were busy or we never got together on the time to go. Do I call my friends greedy and selfish? No, I understand that they were busy with other things along with the people that were running past me. But for those who just sat in Jeuno chatting with a group of people while I sat there hours on end shouting, I say they are the selfish ones.
I am eternally greatful that I have found my LS because it helps others and the members of it are very insightful and very nice. I have met other people outside of my friendlist and LS that are nice as well. But for the most part, I find that common courtesy is rapidly declining and that selfishness is on the rise. (AH prices anyone?) And it's sad but what can we do? We just have to sit there and take it because well, not everyone you meet is not so nice and caring.
I am in no way flaming anyone who has stuck up for themselves and or beliefs. I am just stating my experience with players on Bismarck. Some were friendly and kind and others were very self-centered and egotistical. Oh well. That's life and you just have to live it.
Here is where I can see where Aphrasia is coming from. While I was shouting, I saw countless people run by me in full AF or AF2. I have also witnessed random high level people sitting in the same spot for hours chatting in /say while I was sitting there shouting for help. Could these people have helped me? Yes, but they were too absorbed in themselves or standing at the AH for hours on end to help me. I also asked a few friends of mine to come and help but either they were busy or we never got together on the time to go. Do I call my friends greedy and selfish? No, I understand that they were busy with other things along with the people that were running past me. But for those who just sat in Jeuno chatting with a group of people while I sat there hours on end shouting, I say they are the selfish ones.
I am eternally greatful that I have found my LS because it helps others and the members of it are very insightful and very nice. I have met other people outside of my friendlist and LS that are nice as well. But for the most part, I find that common courtesy is rapidly declining and that selfishness is on the rise. (AH prices anyone?) And it's sad but what can we do? We just have to sit there and take it because well, not everyone you meet is not so nice and caring.
I am in no way flaming anyone who has stuck up for themselves and or beliefs. I am just stating my experience with players on Bismarck. Some were friendly and kind and others were very self-centered and egotistical. Oh well. That's life and you just have to live it.
IF i edited all my posts out.. ppl would see me as 'backing down' or 'cowering' or 'just trying to say nvm.. help me big hnm peoples!!!'... instead of seeing "just let the flames stop >.<.. the WHOLE topic was outta spite/anger and the orginial point was lost long ago"
but hoenstly i dont care :\ i dont really care if i get into any "HNM" ls.. after some of the 'best' friends i know IGNORE my first real request for help.. ive said things offhandedly or asked for advice.. but never help that i can recall.. but the FIRST time i ask i get a resounding "NO!".. despite how nice and friendly i am to some of them.. or how long ive known others.. i just get "nope.. LS says i cant help you at all.. and your friendship means nothing.. im not gonna even try to argue the point to my ls.. bye"
i mean honestly THATS why im pissed.. HNM rules? fine.. w/e.. i think some of them are STUPID! im talking flat out ridiculous in my eyes, however some are just and pretty smart on top of being very practical.. and i see a flaw with one of them and pointed it out.. but i didnt accept those rules .. however alot of ppl have.. even realizing the selfish nature of the rules.. and thats fine.. do w/e you want, but be aware that anyone who has at least half a brain will see you as selfish and greedy :\... i mean honestly if it came right down to it.. if i was in IRON and an existing friend asked me to help camp serket and knew the ToD already themselves, i would probably bow out of that LS for a week or so (or just risk being kicked) and help them kill serket until they got the ring or claw or w/e it was theyw ere after.. because i value friends above all else.. maybe im just stupid though.. cause apparently friends dont do the same in return... but im just idealistic i guess
*shrugs* i really dont know what to tell you all.. alot of HNM ppl are greedy.. its a generalization.. but sadly its true (for hte most part.. just like all otehr generalizations).. and not only that, but one of hte 'main' rules only pushes further greed but in favor of helping the ls itself rather than just yourself.. but the point that 'waht helps the ls helps me' could be argued as well
i really dont know what there needs to be said at this point, apparently no ones reading the words im writting.. so it really doesnt matter
but hoenstly i dont care :\ i dont really care if i get into any "HNM" ls.. after some of the 'best' friends i know IGNORE my first real request for help.. ive said things offhandedly or asked for advice.. but never help that i can recall.. but the FIRST time i ask i get a resounding "NO!".. despite how nice and friendly i am to some of them.. or how long ive known others.. i just get "nope.. LS says i cant help you at all.. and your friendship means nothing.. im not gonna even try to argue the point to my ls.. bye"
i mean honestly THATS why im pissed.. HNM rules? fine.. w/e.. i think some of them are STUPID! im talking flat out ridiculous in my eyes, however some are just and pretty smart on top of being very practical.. and i see a flaw with one of them and pointed it out.. but i didnt accept those rules .. however alot of ppl have.. even realizing the selfish nature of the rules.. and thats fine.. do w/e you want, but be aware that anyone who has at least half a brain will see you as selfish and greedy :\... i mean honestly if it came right down to it.. if i was in IRON and an existing friend asked me to help camp serket and knew the ToD already themselves, i would probably bow out of that LS for a week or so (or just risk being kicked) and help them kill serket until they got the ring or claw or w/e it was theyw ere after.. because i value friends above all else.. maybe im just stupid though.. cause apparently friends dont do the same in return... but im just idealistic i guess
*shrugs* i really dont know what to tell you all.. alot of HNM ppl are greedy.. its a generalization.. but sadly its true (for hte most part.. just like all otehr generalizations).. and not only that, but one of hte 'main' rules only pushes further greed but in favor of helping the ls itself rather than just yourself.. but the point that 'waht helps the ls helps me' could be argued as well
i really dont know what there needs to be said at this point, apparently no ones reading the words im writting.. so it really doesnt matter
I don't know if it's so much that they're not reading, it's that they don't care.
just keeping with the theme
just keeping with the theme
I like to buy video games and play them...but I only like to get about half way through and then stop advancing because that would be "greedy" of me....I continue to pay monthly fees for this game simply so I can help with Genkai's and AF everyday for wonderful people like Aphrasia...
striving to better your own character is not "greedy" you idiot...how ignorant can you possibly be?....
And while we're on this...I have been in AD for about 7 months and have yet to begin to satiate my "greed" with the best endgame gear...I'm patiently awaiting my turn like the rest of my LS has, while at the same time achieving many other endgame goals of killing HNM/gods/dragons and doing so with close FRIENDS....wouldn't have it any other way...
And how great of a friend were YOU?....you helped your friend "back in the day"...now you make it sound like he owes you...yeah, that's a good friend right there...help others so you can benefit yourself later on when they have high level friend that can do stuff for you...
take your whiny, ignorant, bullsh!t-spewing and shove it....quit the game now and save yourself trouble of being blackballed by the entire HNM scene...you just **** on alot of great people/friends from all the different HNMLS's simply because ONE person wouldn't help you...
striving to better your own character is not "greedy" you idiot...how ignorant can you possibly be?....
And while we're on this...I have been in AD for about 7 months and have yet to begin to satiate my "greed" with the best endgame gear...I'm patiently awaiting my turn like the rest of my LS has, while at the same time achieving many other endgame goals of killing HNM/gods/dragons and doing so with close FRIENDS....wouldn't have it any other way...
And how great of a friend were YOU?....you helped your friend "back in the day"...now you make it sound like he owes you...yeah, that's a good friend right there...help others so you can benefit yourself later on when they have high level friend that can do stuff for you...
take your whiny, ignorant, bullsh!t-spewing and shove it....quit the game now and save yourself trouble of being blackballed by the entire HNM scene...you just **** on alot of great people/friends from all the different HNMLS's simply because ONE person wouldn't help you...
lol well the problem is taht one person is a prime example of alot of HNM ls ppl..
cambria let me ask you.. if it came right down to heping a friend or blowing them off and benefiting yourself which would you do? i gurantee youd pick the latter and say ***** you to your friend.. is it greedy to want things? hell no its not!.. is it greedy to lust after something like its hte end all be all of everything and slit your older firends throats because you cant see past your own ego and help them once in awhile? yes.. do i expect 'friends' tod rop everything in help me? no i dont.. do i expect friends to actually h elp me when they can and not follow some stupid rule that doesnt even apply to the thing im asking for help with? yes i 100% do
friends help eachother.. friends dont say 'help me.. and ***** you'... but
y aknow what cambria? your to stupid to understand anything i say anyways
quit? pfft no.. like i said.. ill get what i want and ill look down at you and laugh like a giddy school girl (wut? aph IS a mithra ya know) when i have it and you said "HAHAHAHA YOU SUXXIEOR! J00'll NEVER GET J00 ITEMZ! GIV UP NOWZ!".. just to prove asses like you WRONG that you dont need these 'ubber HNM ls's" with their BEYOND obsessive rules to get things you desire
/shrugs.. but i guess you wouldnt understand that either :\
cambria let me ask you.. if it came right down to heping a friend or blowing them off and benefiting yourself which would you do? i gurantee youd pick the latter and say ***** you to your friend.. is it greedy to want things? hell no its not!.. is it greedy to lust after something like its hte end all be all of everything and slit your older firends throats because you cant see past your own ego and help them once in awhile? yes.. do i expect 'friends' tod rop everything in help me? no i dont.. do i expect friends to actually h elp me when they can and not follow some stupid rule that doesnt even apply to the thing im asking for help with? yes i 100% do
friends help eachother.. friends dont say 'help me.. and ***** you'... but
y aknow what cambria? your to stupid to understand anything i say anyways
quit? pfft no.. like i said.. ill get what i want and ill look down at you and laugh like a giddy school girl (wut? aph IS a mithra ya know) when i have it and you said "HAHAHAHA YOU SUXXIEOR! J00'll NEVER GET J00 ITEMZ! GIV UP NOWZ!".. just to prove asses like you WRONG that you dont need these 'ubber HNM ls's" with their BEYOND obsessive rules to get things you desire
/shrugs.. but i guess you wouldnt understand that either :\
ignorant assumptions surely do pour out of you don't they?...haha, I'm done with you...you have contradicted yourself so many times, yet, you still struggle in vain to come out on top...good luck in-game Aph...I wish you the best...
Go read LeilaniFFXI's first post Aphrasia, he said it very well.
Aphrasia, I've known Cambria for a while now (not exactly close friends, but we did Promy way back in the day when it was first out) and I'd have to say he's much less selfish and more prone to help friends than you are.
He's also a more agreeable person and easier to get along with. ;P
Edited because I mix up tenses. ._.
Edited, Fri Apr 22 00:22:16 2005 by Theophany
He's also a more agreeable person and easier to get along with. ;P
Edited because I mix up tenses. ._.
Edited, Fri Apr 22 00:22:16 2005 by Theophany
after talking to cam. in game.. she doesnt seem that bad -.- and ill personally appoligize to her for having made her feel offended personally by all this.. also the insults towards her >.> she insulted back.. but w/e.. i really dont care.. im sorry cambria
i still hwoever do hold the genrealization that HNM ppl are greedy for hte most part.. excepts? theres always excepts.. but that doesnt mean everyone is 'nice' and 'generous'.. or that most are just 'normal'.. but i guess the same goes for low lvl ppl as wwell :\ just on different things.. *shrugs* w/e..
for the assinin attitude... i appoligize.. my venting on here was wrong :\ but im not hte only one whos ever done something wrong or stupid.. so imma ask it be forgiven..
to anyone who is about to say " HAHAH! HES SUCKING UP TO GET INTO A LS!": i dont really care anymore.. my attitude sucked after being backastabbed and feeling betrayed.. im sorry but youd feel the same.. i chose a **** poor place to take this out at.. *shrugs* sorry.. but thats waht im appoligizing for.. not my opinions nor myf eelings about "HNM" people
i still hwoever do hold the genrealization that HNM ppl are greedy for hte most part.. excepts? theres always excepts.. but that doesnt mean everyone is 'nice' and 'generous'.. or that most are just 'normal'.. but i guess the same goes for low lvl ppl as wwell :\ just on different things.. *shrugs* w/e..
for the assinin attitude... i appoligize.. my venting on here was wrong :\ but im not hte only one whos ever done something wrong or stupid.. so imma ask it be forgiven..
to anyone who is about to say " HAHAH! HES SUCKING UP TO GET INTO A LS!": i dont really care anymore.. my attitude sucked after being backastabbed and feeling betrayed.. im sorry but youd feel the same.. i chose a **** poor place to take this out at.. *shrugs* sorry.. but thats waht im appoligizing for.. not my opinions nor myf eelings about "HNM" people
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You know what, I'm sorry I can't drop everything I'm doing to come and help others. I'm sorry that because of LS rules I can't come and help with crap like Charybdis. Theats not even why I didnt go. I was busy, I had other things to do. You wanna go and camp him at a time other then Maintence end then I probably would help. But your gonna go and camp at the END of maint(HNM Prime Time), then expect HNM people to show up just because he's up? **** you didn't even camp him. You said you went there and he was up. Why am I suppose to feel bad? If you spent 8 hours there camping and I told you "no" then you might have a case. All I see is you throwing a tantrum because HNM people wouldn't drop everything they were doing to come and get something for you. Yet, We're greedy. You know what, send me back the wind staff I bought for you. If your gonna go and pull **** like this on forums, and start **** because of some simple incident then ***** you. You leave for like 1-2months ask me to buy your account cause your quitting, then come back and expect me to drop everything I'm doing to get you something? (I don't understand.)
I sure as hell hope you're not talking about me here, because thats total ******** if you are.
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even one nameless mithran thf ive go so far as to sacrafice my own damn xp for.. my own gil.. my own time.. and put myself in even greater risk to help get her level back.. ive done nething she wanted despite the constant pain she causes me on purpose i think.. but it means nothing that i care
I sure as hell hope you're not talking about me here, because thats total ******** if you are.
fira i jsut stopped reading your post mid way
honestly i wasnt upset at you.. i was tlaking about someone else.. that mithran thf is NOT you.. your not hte only thf i know on this server
and no.. youve helped me more than ive helped you as far as that goes.. if ive ever really been of any help :\ i didnt expect you to drop everything.. but i asked you 3 times for advice ont he fight and you never answered.. thats the only thing that pissed me off that YOU did.. but w/e.. i really dont care.. i did NOT want to put names up here, your not the only person i know that i talked to about that fight.. or asked for help.. and id idnt expect you to come running to help me... of all ppl i respected you the most until you just flat out ignored my question 3 ******* times -.-
EDIT: oh and i never asked you to buy my account o.O i might have said it as a joke.. but ive never been searous about that sort of thing.. sorry if you thought i was.. mah bad
Edited, Fri Apr 22 00:35:05 2005 by Aphrasia
honestly i wasnt upset at you.. i was tlaking about someone else.. that mithran thf is NOT you.. your not hte only thf i know on this server
and no.. youve helped me more than ive helped you as far as that goes.. if ive ever really been of any help :\ i didnt expect you to drop everything.. but i asked you 3 times for advice ont he fight and you never answered.. thats the only thing that pissed me off that YOU did.. but w/e.. i really dont care.. i did NOT want to put names up here, your not the only person i know that i talked to about that fight.. or asked for help.. and id idnt expect you to come running to help me... of all ppl i respected you the most until you just flat out ignored my question 3 ******* times -.-
EDIT: oh and i never asked you to buy my account o.O i might have said it as a joke.. but ive never been searous about that sort of thing.. sorry if you thought i was.. mah bad
Edited, Fri Apr 22 00:35:05 2005 by Aphrasia
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There's about 80 posts, I didn't read anything but the original post or 2 before posting. I'm reading through it now though.
Like I said I was busy, I had people spamming me in tells about diffrent ******** and was trying to do r/l ****. I'm sorry I didn't reply, but I don't exactly remember a whole lot about last night. I help my friend's when they need it and I'm avail, but, If I'm not then sorry not much I can do.
Also you can keep the staff, I might price it to high and **** up the economy. :P (I don't want it, it was a gift.) ;)
Like I said I was busy, I had people spamming me in tells about diffrent ******** and was trying to do r/l ****. I'm sorry I didn't reply, but I don't exactly remember a whole lot about last night. I help my friend's when they need it and I'm avail, but, If I'm not then sorry not much I can do.
Also you can keep the staff, I might price it to high and **** up the economy. :P (I don't want it, it was a gift.) ;)
>.< ill have to go take it back off delivery then...
/sigh.. i didnt mean to harsh you fira.. i didnt know you had so much going on.. :\ if i had known ne of that i wouldnt have been upset with you at all.. honestly i dont ever expect you to EVER help me.. not that wer enot friends.. but youve done alot for me already... advice, *points to staff and dispel scroll* (bet you forgot about the dispel eh? >.> hehe), and just general merryment... :\
look is there a way i can just delete all this thread? >.> kinna screwed up in the first place.. not to big to admit that :\... bleh... life sucks right now -.- im goign to bed
/sigh.. i didnt mean to harsh you fira.. i didnt know you had so much going on.. :\ if i had known ne of that i wouldnt have been upset with you at all.. honestly i dont ever expect you to EVER help me.. not that wer enot friends.. but youve done alot for me already... advice, *points to staff and dispel scroll* (bet you forgot about the dispel eh? >.> hehe), and just general merryment... :\
look is there a way i can just delete all this thread? >.> kinna screwed up in the first place.. not to big to admit that :\... bleh... life sucks right now -.- im goign to bed
I'm a Mithran THF !!!!
I kinda understand this whole thing is just an angry post, now look back it wasnt that big of deal is it?
Should lock this thread, its kinda pointless to argue anymore. What needs to say has been said.
But remember, HNM LS arent that bad of what you think.
Should lock this thread, its kinda pointless to argue anymore. What needs to say has been said.
But remember, HNM LS arent that bad of what you think.
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Go read LeilaniFFXI's first post Aphrasia, he said it very well.
She, not he. =)
Ahprasia, your posts are full of contradiction.
You ask if people have ever done anyone thing selfless for no benefit, then complain that the people you have helped didnt help you on this occasion. So you helped for future benifit to yourself? And if that is not the case, why are you complaining about it?
You generalize everyone in a HNMLS to be evil and greedy. If I could I would slap you for that. Me and my friends have helped lots of people outside our shell with keys, missions etc.
How dare you call us selfish. You dont know us, you have no idea of what we have done for people. I have probably given close to a million gil (likely more, I dont really care) to people over the time and spent many hours helping others.
If anything, it is people like you that make us not want to help. Your obvious ungrateful attitude when told no is likely to stop anyone even answering a request for assistance, because if they say no they get a slew of abuse on a public forum for it.
Do yourself a favour, put down the shovel and stop digging a bigger hole for you and everyone else, and let this thread die.
I suggest everyone does the same.
DONT BOTHER READING ANY FUTHER! THIS THREAD WAS OUT OF ANGER AT 2-3 PPL, SPECIFICLALY ONE PERSON WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS HOPEFULLY >.>
IN ANYCASE THIS THREAD HAS NO PURPOSE AND WAS OUT OF ANGER.. JUST FORGET IT EXISTS AND CONTINUE TO HATE ME ^.^ THAT IS ALL
posting that here as well.. its alsot he firs tpost now.. please read
IN ANYCASE THIS THREAD HAS NO PURPOSE AND WAS OUT OF ANGER.. JUST FORGET IT EXISTS AND CONTINUE TO HATE ME ^.^ THAT IS ALL
posting that here as well.. its alsot he firs tpost now.. please read
You want to know what greedy is?
Person 1>> Can you help me charby is up and I need help killing it.
HNMLS PERSON<< I cant right now.
HNMLS PERSON>> /l Hey Guys Charby is up lets go kill it.
Ok, if you ask for help, and your "friend" uses your information for his/her LS's gain than that is greed. IRON didnt go run for Charby, hell the thf in question didnt even tell the LS about it. Hell, we have two top end Red Mages that would love the sword. But did your Friend have IRON go kill it for their person gain no. The fact your friend kept it a secret is something you should be happy about.
IRON doesnt restrict players from playing the game. We do not allow players to hide ToD for person gain, and we do not allow players to camp against us. But if Roc was up and IRON wasnt active at the time, or we were all too busy and someone in IRON and some random killed it, than more power too them, if someone in IRON got Strider Boots for a friend, more power to them. We do not restrict players from enjoying the game with friends not in the LS. We just ask that they attend our events and not hide anything that the LS could camp.
The prices on the AH, they are a direct result of gilbuyers and fish botters. FACT. If someone pays some half *** amount of money for something than of course everyone expects it to resale the same item for that price. If someone posts an item for some stupid price, than let it go back to them and waste their money reposting it. But if someone who has gil that they didnt work for they will be less likely to care about the cost. My solution is, STOP BUYING OVER PRICED ITEMS and they WILL DROP. Dont blame a HNMLS for some item, cause all they will do is look at price history, and figure out a price. A lot of times you see HNMLS's undercutting to get the money faster. If it is a 1st time drop item, or item that is one of only 3 on the server, than expect people to test the market, over time the price will drop unless, someone is willing to pay for it. If no one can pay for it than the price goes down.
As far as your "friend" sounds like you have issues with them and not the HNMLSs. If your friend says they cant help due to LS rules, than 1. They just dont want to help and have a made up excuse, 2. They are bound my rules they agreed too.
As far as I can see you have a problem, " I want to kill Charby" Solution, find people ahead of time that can help, dont expect to pop it and cry for help cause than it is too late. Many times our members would spend hours killing placeholders and it would pop at 5am, than by the time our LS could come it help another LS found it and killed it. It is just the nature of Charby, Be prepared or dont camp it, or go unprepared and rick the chance of lossing hours of work to watch someone else kill it. If your friends refuse to help, than maybe you need new friends.
Person 1>> Can you help me charby is up and I need help killing it.
HNMLS PERSON<< I cant right now.
HNMLS PERSON>> /l Hey Guys Charby is up lets go kill it.
Ok, if you ask for help, and your "friend" uses your information for his/her LS's gain than that is greed. IRON didnt go run for Charby, hell the thf in question didnt even tell the LS about it. Hell, we have two top end Red Mages that would love the sword. But did your Friend have IRON go kill it for their person gain no. The fact your friend kept it a secret is something you should be happy about.
IRON doesnt restrict players from playing the game. We do not allow players to hide ToD for person gain, and we do not allow players to camp against us. But if Roc was up and IRON wasnt active at the time, or we were all too busy and someone in IRON and some random killed it, than more power too them, if someone in IRON got Strider Boots for a friend, more power to them. We do not restrict players from enjoying the game with friends not in the LS. We just ask that they attend our events and not hide anything that the LS could camp.
The prices on the AH, they are a direct result of gilbuyers and fish botters. FACT. If someone pays some half *** amount of money for something than of course everyone expects it to resale the same item for that price. If someone posts an item for some stupid price, than let it go back to them and waste their money reposting it. But if someone who has gil that they didnt work for they will be less likely to care about the cost. My solution is, STOP BUYING OVER PRICED ITEMS and they WILL DROP. Dont blame a HNMLS for some item, cause all they will do is look at price history, and figure out a price. A lot of times you see HNMLS's undercutting to get the money faster. If it is a 1st time drop item, or item that is one of only 3 on the server, than expect people to test the market, over time the price will drop unless, someone is willing to pay for it. If no one can pay for it than the price goes down.
As far as your "friend" sounds like you have issues with them and not the HNMLSs. If your friend says they cant help due to LS rules, than 1. They just dont want to help and have a made up excuse, 2. They are bound my rules they agreed too.
As far as I can see you have a problem, " I want to kill Charby" Solution, find people ahead of time that can help, dont expect to pop it and cry for help cause than it is too late. Many times our members would spend hours killing placeholders and it would pop at 5am, than by the time our LS could come it help another LS found it and killed it. It is just the nature of Charby, Be prepared or dont camp it, or go unprepared and rick the chance of lossing hours of work to watch someone else kill it. If your friends refuse to help, than maybe you need new friends.
this is stupid kept telling me post failed and I got a triple post. Gah
Edited, Fri Apr 22 03:11:55 2005 by jawas
Edited, Fri Apr 22 03:11:55 2005 by jawas
DONT BOTHER READING ANY FUTHER! THIS THREAD WAS OUT OF ANGER AT 2-3 PPL, SPECIFICLALY ONE PERSON WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS HOPEFULLY >.>
IN ANYCASE THIS THREAD HAS NO PURPOSE AND WAS OUT OF ANGER.. JUST FORGET IT EXISTS AND CONTINUE TO HATE ME ^.^ THAT IS ALL
posting that here as well.. its alsot he firs tpost now.. please read
IN ANYCASE THIS THREAD HAS NO PURPOSE AND WAS OUT OF ANGER.. JUST FORGET IT EXISTS AND CONTINUE TO HATE ME ^.^ THAT IS ALL
posting that here as well.. its alsot he firs tpost now.. please read
stupid Alla
Edited, Fri Apr 22 03:09:51 2005 by jawas
Edited, Fri Apr 22 03:09:51 2005 by jawas
STUPID ALLA
Edited, Fri Apr 22 03:14:53 2005 by Aphrasia
Edited, Fri Apr 22 03:14:53 2005 by Aphrasia
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