The truth of HNMls's an 'friends'Follow

DONT BOTHER READING ANY FUTHER! THIS THREAD WAS OUT OF ANGER AT 2-3 PPL, SPECIFICLALY ONE PERSON WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS HOPEFULLY >.>

IN ANYCASE THIS THREAD HAS NO PURPOSE AND WAS OUT OF ANGER.. JUST FORGET IT EXISTS AND CONTINUE TO HATE ME ^.^ THAT IS ALL

Edited, Fri Apr 22 02:15:51 2005 by Aphrasia

Every so-called HNM LS can s*ck my ****
F**k 'em all enough said.

So you want a HNMLS to help you get a drop from a HNM when some of thier own members want it too?

And after a maintenance when they are likely to be busy as all other HMN are going to be up and camped as well?

You cite friendship, but people in HNMLS's are friends too. If you want to take this as they dont like you, thats your prerogative. Have these friens of yours NEVER helped you? Or just on this?

It may be harsh but every linkshell, HNM or otherwise, has an obligation to their own members first and foremost. To think that no one else is interested in such an item but you is very naive.

Seriously, how would you feel if your LS did turn up and said "No we are not going to help you get it, we want to give it to someone else we know"?

Think we know friendship a whole lot more than a ****** Aphrasia does :p

generalizations rarely disappoint ^.^b

hate to break it to you all.. but no one was camping chary for OVER 5 hours after miantance.. just me there for 2 hours alone.. and id dint go to 3 horus after maintance.. no one in zone.. no one near at ALL... no HNM ls camping.. no one competeing for aganist me.. nothing.. just this NM sitting there.. no one messing with it.. waiting to bekilled... im sorry but itd be like me asking for soeone to help me kill bubbeling burney or something.. why would that be different? or what about big mouth billy or tom tit tat? why would asking for help on those be different? besides the obvious lvl differences

i mean its a NM.. it has a pricey drop (fruit punches are like 20k in jeuno).. why is that different from a NM that drops a good sword id like to use? why would it be okayf or you to help on one but not hte other?.. ebcause your LS says no? why? no one from your ls was THERE nor had intentions OF going there.. even if so isnt it like a 100% drop? meaning .. okay.. 12 hours later.. another one is gonna drop! woot!

i understand if lunies or ad or something were there camping straight out aganist me.. i would NEVER ask anyone to swap sides.. i mean tahts just outlandishly stupid.. but going 'Hey i want this drop from an unclaimed uncamped NM taht i cant solo that your ls has no intention of fighting currently.. would you help?" isnt stupid.. its preferctly within my bounds.. and id apprecaite it if rules didnt dictate you all be ******** about things


im sorry but he way you HNM ls's run things is **** poor.. you 'get along' with other ls's? pfft.. you do it so the other LS's dont MPK you or steal claim on you.. you do this yet again for selfish benefit.. not courtesy towards others.. while the main gesture is there.. the hidden motives are what change it to a selfish thing..

HNM ls's are for dogs who onlyc are about themselves and im sick of those ppl in them ******** things up.. just quit.. just leave the damn game and go.. youve gotten everything already.. go.. you WON ffxi.. CONGRATULATIONS!.. leave!..

OR! you coudl be NICE and help OTHER PEOPLE compelte their goals.. unselfishly.. ungreedily.. and in a generally nice helpful manner

but i think most of the HNM ls'ers on this game would rather cut their left ******** (or breast in the case of women) off than be nice to anyone besides those ppl that WILL and DO help them out on a constant basis (ie: their LS members that do everything)... "scratch my ***.. ill scratch yours"? how about "scratch your own *** and ill do the same for mine.. and lets go kill thsi )(*@#(%*)#@)(@#%*ing seamonk and not be pissy ******* about it saying we cant help eachother cause were not in the same LS" -.- *@#$ing jackasses -.-

I shall contribute to the impending chaos by asking why there are even regulations for these things? I mean I was asked to join an HNM LS a couple weeks ago but the second sentence was "but you can't have any other LSs." The first word out of my mouth was ********************* Yeah not every shell will do that but...wow.

The name of this LS is irrelevent but, y'know it really irked me. I obviously did something to attract myself to these people to want me, and then they go and say something like "you're ours, no one else's." I've even heard some horror stories that some of these shells "force" their members into participating in events or they're kicked from the shell and whatnot, right then and there. I mean what would happen if like your grandfather had a heart attack or something? Can't go to his side or you'll get kicked out of the shell? I don't understand this concept and I don't think I ever will.

I've been open minded from the beginning. You can run your shell however you want I suppose. But when I hear about fights amongst them like this, I just have to wonder what it's all worth.

Sorry Aphrasia most HNM LS dont care about helping others out. They are in the LS for themselfs only. They are there only for gil and to get all the best gear. I will most likely never join one, I might not ever get the gear I want but I will be ok. Most HNM LS are just the same as gill sellers botting and raising prices on everything they can get there hands on. Im only 60 but I will help you if I can.

Im sorta sympathetic with Aph's situation.

I do feel the HNMLSs are very selfish. When I was a newb BLM I wanted in AD...I am experienced with End Game processes in MMOs seeing as I have played Everquest for about 2.5 years and beat elemental planes and such. In EQ the high end guilds always ******* (leaders and players) but we always helped people out that were friends and if any spawns were up (raid mobs) a guild would congreagate and kill it, or someone would set up an open raid and kill it. It really wasnt an issue since all items were NO DROP anyway (same as rare/ex). This game was truely fun. I would raid high end gods with my guild and I would also lead open raids on lower end gods for everyone else. It was a hella lotta fun.

I just had a stroke of and idea to have an LS on FFX1 here that we would have enough people on have a ToD and be like, ok! lets do this! go and camp it. Also, progess through the game to and eventually end up killing end game gods...but for now whatever we can kill/attempt to kill would be suffice.

Its apparent that there already is a LS like this...that I just thought of...So, I think I'm gonna app.

I seriously hope this is not referring to me, because if that is the case, I think you have bigger demons to be fighting than getting your Joyeuse or rallying against the HNM LSes of the server...

Yeah sure, ok...maybe the concept of HNM is greedy. (A statement I disagree with, but let's assume here.) I spent over two months with my social shell, doing nothing but other people's AFs. I was Lv65 to start with, and day in, day out, I was doing nothing but coffer key hunts, AF3s, Genkeis that I've already completed, so and and so forth, EXPing for myself in the spare time. Guess what? It sucked. As much as I enjoyed seeing those people happy, putting on their shiny new AF for the first time, it royally sucked. I was spending my time, my EXP, my gil, to see these other people progress while I sat at a standstill myself. At some point, I wanted to quit, but I realized that was silly. ABOVE ALL, I am here for myself. I pay my $14/month for my own personal enjoyment, as does everyone else. I explained that to my LS and applied to AD. So yes, I am greedy. I deprived them of my time, my hard work, so I could enjoy the game again.

My decision was two-fold: AD was where a vast majority of my friends from my original social LS were, and they allowed me to keep my social pearl. Yes, I am incredibly thankful for everything I've gotten: my Valor pieces, my Joyeuse, my Koenig, my Crimson Cuisses, my optical hat. I am more thankful for the experience of getting them. Of the thrill of being MA in Dynamis, staring down a horde of 10 mobs rushing at you, the anxiety of "did I choose the right mob first?", the feeling of running around in Shrine of Ru'avitau with Kirin hot on your heels, tanking Vouivre to get someone a spear I could care less about. Given the choice of either having all those things or not having them and spending the time with those people, I choose my friends any day of the week.

And yes, our "getting along" is all just an act. We curse each other under our breaths, and only act nice so they don't train us, MPK us, and we may just leech a ToD out of it. That's why I have people I call "friends" in virtually every LS out there. That's why I know other LS's ToDs, that my LS wouldn't have known of otherwise, yet I don't tell them. That stupid "friendship" and "respect" thing. That's why on the Teamspeak server I use, we have members of AD, Lunarians, and DIAMOND, we just want to leech tactics off each other. God forbid we, ya know, just have some friendly chatter.

Thanks for telling everyone what (you assume) our rules are without actually seeing or asking about them yourself. Thanks for spitting on everything I've done for you and others in the past.

Edited, Thu Apr 21 10:39:58 2005 by AlphaJew

So true... it's why I enjoy pulling dynamis. I get to MPK all of you.

lol i didn't get it at first, now i do :)

Yes, the new system saved me 3k worth of leveling to get to 75!

Gee.. that about makes up for the xp I lost this week alone.

EDIT: Random pluarality.

Edited, Thu Apr 21 10:59:28 2005 by Alieador

**** I still can't connect to download, damn you HNM ********