Maybe it's just because I'm San d'Orian and enjoy melee jobs immensely, but I've come to notice that there is an unusual trend going on with Mithra currectly: There seems to be a major surge in the Mithra mage community. On my own linkshell, Mithra are the majority with 9 or 10 players, but only 2 of them are melees (with the exception of myself). The others are all WHMs or RDMs between 35 and 57.
Now, I'm not sure exactly what is causing all this, though I suspect it's because Windurst is the center of magic for Vana'diel as well as the home of the Mithra. On this server, I've seen maybe...two Mithra DRKs in full AF, and I only know one other Mithra DRG over 60. Of course, I've seen SAMs in full AF, but every one of them was either Hume or Elvaan.
Getting to the point, I'd figured with the best DEX and accuracy in the game, there'd be more Mithra DDs online. So, where did all the Mithra melees go? :\
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Getting to the point, I'd figured with the best DEX and accuracy in the game, there'd be more Mithra DDs online. So, where did all the Mithra melees go? :\
Do a /sea all and look at THF thats where you will find most of them XD
I'm a mithran PLD.
Talk about going against my stats. :X
Talk about going against my stats. :X
Some players choose their character because of their skin/bg, not because of their stats. Even if I wanted to play a SMN or a PLD I would have choosen a Mithra :o ... (But hopefully the races I use to choose always fit the job I want to do with the best stats ^^- But it's not the same thing for everyone. I think it's just a matter of feeling.)
It's not a new trend.
People don't choose a race based on job preference, or if they do, they're not aware that race doesn't matter. >.>
Teophany : In FFXI, you just can't ignore the difference between an Elvaan BLM and a Taru BLM ... The point is, if you feel better with an Elvaan char, even if he/she won't be that good as BLM, play an Elvaan :o
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Teophany : In FFXI, you just can't ignore the difference between an Elvaan BLM and a Taru BLM ... The point is, if you feel better with an Elvaan char, even if he/she won't be that good as BLM, play an Elvaan :o
Maybe at lower levels it makes a difference, but at 50+ BLM is never wanting for MP...ever. If they are, they're over nuking. I played BLM to 32 and plan to take it to 75 at some point, and I've done my research; Elvaan make fine BLM. There's no job where you should feel limited based on race; Shadowbuni is a perfect example as a Galka SMN. Technically Galka would make the worst SMN based on low mana pool, but he's one of the most skilled SMN I've yet met in-game. The base stats of characters, end game, is really very inconsequential. I hit the same as a Mithra RNG, for almost as much, and as BLM I nuke for maybe 2-4 less damage versus a taru. Anyway...those are just my observations from having seen someone play NIN to 72 (my brother) and myself playing RNG to 61 over a year and a half. I don't know everything, but I'd like to think I'd learn something in that long, and the one thing that's been drilled into my head is that race never matters.
As far as I know, Mithra have as much MP as Hume, making both races 2nd in MP count, behind Taru.
It's not like Mithra make gimp mages, even though they don't have a taru's manapool.
I've always seen many Mithra mages around, and I believe this "always choose best race for your class" thing is rather annoying, especially in a game where you can level *all* classes to max level on the *same* character if you so desire.
Don't you like a little variety ? Should all mages *have* to be Taru ? should all rangers and thf *have* to be Mithra ?
I fail to see the point of this thread, really.
It's not like Mithra make gimp mages, even though they don't have a taru's manapool.
I've always seen many Mithra mages around, and I believe this "always choose best race for your class" thing is rather annoying, especially in a game where you can level *all* classes to max level on the *same* character if you so desire.
Don't you like a little variety ? Should all mages *have* to be Taru ? should all rangers and thf *have* to be Mithra ?
I fail to see the point of this thread, really.
Teophany : What I mean, is that a Taru BLM has much more base INT than a Galka BLM, and it's not a 2-3 points of difference but 10-20 ... This, with the MP pool (you'd really like to have a bigger MP pool when you're chaining and have to rest every 3 battles, stopping the chain). And don't mix STATS with SKILL, neither BONUSES with BASES stats. You can have more INT than a taru if he has a bad equip, you can play better than a taru if you're more skilled, but basically, same equip, same skill = Taru owns. There IS a difference between races, sometimes huge, but the point is that players usually choose a race because they feel good with it, not because the race is fitting the job they want to do (Though some players feel good by having the best race/job combo).
Freyir, from all tests done by BLM, INT determines how much extra damage is added on to your nukes. There's a set amount that 1 INT will give, and if I remember correctly it's up to 4 damage. Giving taru the benefit of the doubt and giving them a 15 point INT lead, that's 4*15 which is 60. 60 out of a possible nuke of over 1000 endgame isn't that much. In fact, I wouldn't even notice that. As for MP, I've never once had to rest for a BLM, and I never will. They get enough MP for a magic burst and a stun or two and then rest again. Maybe provide some debuffs or backup healing if the RDM or BRD is busy, but other than that, they don't exactly have a strenuous party life. If a BLM is low on MP and they ask me to stop pulling they get my typical, "one pulling speed onry...as long as WHM has MP, I pull," reply. And with the second most MP of any job in the game, they can afford to be a Galka or Elvaan. Saying that race matters is like saying Taru can't be good MNKs, which...if you think so, there's a level 60 taru MNK/SAM I'd like you to meet in Ballista. He owns me routinely.
In conclusion, skill > gear > race. End of story, 'nuff said, baibai.
In conclusion, skill > gear > race. End of story, 'nuff said, baibai.
INT also determine something VERY important : If you will either or not be resisted. I guess you aren't to be this skilled in maths to understand that 112+86+112 is higher than 86+64+86 ... And I repeat once again : do NOT mix SKILL with GEAR or BASE STATS. If this taru MNK was a Galka or an Elvaan, with the same skills and gear, he would rocks more. That being said, a taru MNK can ownz a Galka MNK who has the same gear/lvl, though ...
As you said ... Skill > Gear > Race.
As you said ... Skill > Gear > Race.
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INT also determine something VERY important : If you will either or not be resisted.
This is completely 100% unproven. Completely.
If you browse over to the Allakhazam BLM, and KI BLM forums, you will find neither have been able to conclusively prove INT effectining resist rates. Sloppysue has tested extensively with +10 INT, and found such a minimal difference, that the most likely factor was our favorite factor, randomness.
At any rate, if you have some proof to indicate that INT does effect resists, those BLMs over there would be more than happy to see it.
From my personnal experience, I've seen many cases where people with greater INTs were encountering less resists than the others, but there's no concrete proofs, I agree.
Anyway, the proven thing is that INT is very important (at least till Lv47), and that basically Tarus are the best BLMs, if you take people with the same gear/skills, I think it's an evidence. But again :
"but the point is that players usually choose a race because they feel good with it, not because the race is fitting the job they want to do (Though some players feel good by having the best race/job combo)."
Anyway, the proven thing is that INT is very important (at least till Lv47), and that basically Tarus are the best BLMs, if you take people with the same gear/skills, I think it's an evidence. But again :
"but the point is that players usually choose a race because they feel good with it, not because the race is fitting the job they want to do (Though some players feel good by having the best race/job combo)."
My point was that regardless of race you can play any job. You came back and said it does matter, whic to some extent is true, and probably race is a major factor in the pre-50 world, but after 50 race never matters, and never will.
Im a Mithra Beastmaster and a man in real life. What? What?
Moshiiii, at least you'll be able to say you look good in Bison gear. Something no male character can. XD
As for mp values, Mithra have the 2nd highest. Humes have slightly less.
In the end though, I agree race doesn't matter. It's completely up to the skill of the person. Nothing more or nothing less.
Edited, Tue Apr 12 14:37:24 2005 by MagicWeaponZill
As for mp values, Mithra have the 2nd highest. Humes have slightly less.
In the end though, I agree race doesn't matter. It's completely up to the skill of the person. Nothing more or nothing less.
Edited, Tue Apr 12 14:37:24 2005 by MagicWeaponZill
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