Dragoons: A new reasonFollow

Regardless of what job you think a DRG can do, another job can do that better. Ok, so a DRG can Super Jump to get hate off of them. You don't need Sneak Attack combined with Trick Attack after level 60 as a THF. It's retarded at that level to SATA just for the sake of a bit more damage when you can do damage and put that hate on the tank. Sure, if you can't get a DRK, WAR, RNG, or SAM to renkei with a THF go ahead and get a DRG to SATA onto, but honestly, I'd rather have more damage and use my shihei than have gimped damage. And really, most exp partys are about how fast you can kill for the most exp, and doing more damage does that, not being able to shed hate.

Hmm, I sometimes wonder what the Dragoon population ever did to enrage all the Rangers and Red Mages of Vana'diel. Did we step on someone's toes in Jeuno too many times while walking through the crowd? Personally, I don't know, but I don't think I've ever seen a Dragoon (excluding trolls) attack any other job or run their reputation down. Myself, I don't recall ever telling anyone that their job is gimped or undesireable end-game or whatever. Yet, it seems like those two previously mentioned classes are the two that seems like they enjoy belittling and running Dragoons' name to shreads. ;_;

I guess we Dragoons are the black sheep in the family of Vana'diel or that kid in glasses that everyone picks on in third grade because he's "weird." People compare themselves to others to see how they stand in life, and someone has to be on the bottom for everyone to look down at and make themselves feel better. IMO, Dragoon is on the bottom of that ladder in this case, and in order to get a boost, people repeatedly step on him. Yes, it's sad, but all we Dragoons can do is suck it up and get on with life and leveling.

I've heard several times that Dragoon is a gimped DD. Do I think so? No, I honestly don't. Do I think the job of Dragoon is living up to its full potential? No, I don't. Sure, another Accuracy Bonus or even an Attack Bonus would be nice, but with the right equipment and food, it's possible to work around this. Do Rangers need to work around this lack of job abilities? No, not really. If you've got 4 Accuracy Bonuses plus +25 or more Ranged Accuracy in equipment, you're powering up a powered-up class even more. That's why I think you hit 99% on your parsers myself. The difference between a good Ranger and a good Dragoon is more than it seems. For Rangers, it's enough that they're a Ranger in order to get an invite. For Dragoons, we have to convince half of Vana'diel that we are Altana born again before we get that long-awaited invite.

Also, judging from your sig, I get the impression that you either have yet to unlock Dragoon or it is still level 1. I'd like to recommend trying it out at least until level 10. Your wyvern will die a time or two, I won't lie, but I found that after Paladin, Dragoon was the easiest job to level to 10 because of the massive damage between your polearm and the wyvern itself.

Just on a rant here, but after 20, Crabs in Qufim will fall like leaves in autumn with a Platoon Lance since they're weak to piercing. Oh, and the mandragoras in the jungles between 25-32 are soft-bodied so piercing weapons (yes, bows and arrows but I'm talking polearms here) will do great damage on them. I found a good Berserk and Double Thrust will pull hate off even the best tank at those levels. Oh, and the crawlers in CN are soft-bodied too so your polearm will do great damage on them too. It's not until 40 or so when the other jobs' abilities really start to leave Dragoon behind. We get our last trait at 30, but Rangers and Dark Knights keep getting new abiities which leaves us behind.

Basically, I think Dragoon is great the way it is. There is obviously a reason it's an advanced job since it takes party experience and knowledge of equipment and abilities to really make the job shine like never before. No, I don't think Dragoon is a job for everyone, but then again, there are more jobs out there than Dragoon, eh? However, I think the job would be more accessable to people if we had another job ability post-30, but it's just wishful thinking on my part.

So until SE does something extreme, we Dragoons have to suck it up and do the best we can with what we're given in the game. Just don't get discouraged my fellow Dragoons. Raise your heads high and keep going!




/em lights a cig, takes a puff, then walks slowly off-stage.




[Edit]: For grammatical errors and weird sentence structure.

Edited, Mon Apr 4 00:17:03 2005 by Trelane

Outdamage a dec RNG, umm I said we do the same damage as a rangers when we WS. Take a thf all decked out in the gear you talked about (make sure it is a mithra because being a galka I dont have the ability myself to do the same damage with a WS) and both of you solo a WS it will come out to the same damage if not very close. DoT is diffrent yes rangers do more damage in DoT but thats not what i was geting at.

To put it in a nice way this is what my first post stated please feel free to check it. "Someone stated" "Being a RNG I had to use a crapy ws to chain with a DRG for a weak SC" I said thats stupid to put those 2 jobs together in a WS situation. (when both can solo their WS for more damage than a SC the 2 can do anyway it makes since dont ya think??)


Bah oh well this is a post to bash DRG it seams, altho it started out as someone who partyed with a DRG and had a good party trying to pass along info. so what ever its not my place to talk about another job or try to convince anyone that one job is better than another. I will leave it like this to all DRG's out there that sit by waiting for an invite dont worry people will soon open their eyes to what you can do for a party and you will get invites. I mean after all it was not to long ago that i remember seeing monk's sit around looking for a party for days on end, so dont give up the job you love to play just hang tight and let people see what you can do, it will pass.

No you don't. I've never seen a DRG weaponskill come close to a Sidewinder/slugshot. Myabe if you're referring to barrage but that's technically not a weaponskill.



So I toss out the DRG and THF for 2 RNG or DRK. My party is now alot more powerful.



Gee, I wonder why?

this caught my eye so i have to respond. I am a 61 drg currently by coincidence and yes, I do pull hate. And no, it wasn't because the tank was bad.

and just a side note.....when i play as drg/whm i have roughly 125 mp. That's approximately 17 dia's. Healing breath cures for roughly 190 so thats over 3200 hp i can cure. I would love to compare that to any other support healer out there.

Theo I respect you as a player but I do not respect you as a person any longer. Anyone who refuses to pt with a certain job instead of certain players is, imho, very conceited.

In all actuality, I have been able to pull hate off my tanks, play the perfect SATA buddy, keep up with TP just as fast as any SAM or RNG I've pt'd with, and I still solo Tough's......all at lvl 61. Don't believe me? I'd gladly join your pt for a half hour or so just to prove that I can keep up in TP with you better most any other jobs. But I forgot, you don't pt with drgs so I guess we'll never know.

and all i stated was that if you would invite me sometime, I would love to go head to head with you in TP build. Until then, you need to keep your opinions to yourself because people who don't pt with drgs really have no place to rate their performance.

Like i stated before.....its okay to hate/not pt with certain players......but to not pt with someone just because you think the job is gimped only shows your own ignorance.

And no, I'm not saying that I can deal more WS dmg than you, or heal more than the whm.......all I'm saying is maybe if you gave some of us a chance, you might be suprised....

edit: You put an anti-any job post and I'm willing to bet it gets rated down.....why you so shocked?

Edited, Mon Apr 4 11:58:49 2005 by RubyTripper

For me, I rather pt with a DRK/THF who has learned Spinning Slash than a RNG, b/c I know that we can SC for at least 900+ dmg or more. A THF is good too for we can do the same amount of dmg when SC. As for TP build Theo, SAM is not a good subjob for DRGs to use in a xp party. I rather perfer WAR or THF but mostly WAR.

my accuracy is not a problem (42 BEFORE sole sushi or whatever food I feel like eating depending on the pt and what mobs we are fighting)....so double attack is just a bonus.....as are my jumps, which i almost always use strategically for TP build.....I have been able to effectively maintain a TP build similar to that of RNG, and faster than most THFs I pt with.....on the rare occation I get to compete with a SAM I'm right there with him too, until he cheats (joke) and uses meditate.

I work hard at my job as a Drg and I refuse to let ignorance be the sole reason I don't get an invite. Drg is a versatile job, and can pretty much fill in any necessary position. That being said, a lot of work needs to be done before a Drg can be considered fully operational. I currently have 4 subjobs fully leveled and have a 5th on the way. I can't think of another job that requires as many subs as drg. We can pull, cure (DS + Curaga + Super Jump anyone??), DD (wyvern too), SC (just not great with rng), and be SATA buddy. So as you can see its not that drg is gimped, you just don't know how to use it to its maximum potential.

so.....any day, any time, my offer of showin ya some real Drg TP build still stands....until then I'll be soloing T's cuz gettin a pt usually just slows me down.

I don't have time to read all the posts but in regards to Theophany's post...

Yes, RNG does better DoT than any other melee however...

There are parsers that show some DRG's doing a lot better DoT than DRK's or WAR's. Actually it's rare for any melee class to do better DoT than a war, even a RNG sometimes.

It all depends on gear for DRG, the reason you see so many DRG's do poor damage is because of gear and lack of accuracy equipment. I wish I were on your server so that you could party with me, I've had RNG's get mad at me before for outdamaging them.

As far as landing hits go, DRK's and DRG hit for roughly the same, depending on food. It's only when DRK uses Souleater that they hit for more.

DRG/THF can be pretty lethal as well, seeing as Jump stacks with SATA. I wish I could find the picture for you, but I believe it was on Seraph server that 75 DRG did about 1.2k damage on Seiryu using SATA.

So once again, gear does play a big role. You often see level 70-75 DRG's using a Grand Knights Lance or a Cermet Lance when they should rather be using Gae Bolg or Collosal Lance. Or wearing crappy Tiger or Carapace armor when they should have an Assault Jerkin or Scorpion Harness. IMO and in the opinions of many other endgame DRG's, Assault Jerkin > Scorpion Harness especially when using WS.

So there ya go, DRG is one of those jobs where can't only have skill. You must have good and pricey armor to be a good DRG. If you don't have this you can only be decent. I can tell you this because I am level 70 DRG and I have experienced it.

There was a thread I was reading in the drg forum and someone saying drg/thfs can hit up to 1200 dmg on gods. Im lazy right now so Ill dig up the thread later.

Main reason DRG isn't all that great is becuz they get left out from alot of gear that WAR DRK and SAM can use for example: Haubergeon or Royal Guard's Collar

I bet those will really boost DRG's DD output. As far as RNG goes, they pay for their damage, WAR SAM DRK and DRG don't so maybe thats why they do such great DoT. All I'm really trying to say is that DRG shouldn't be put down just because they aren't the best DD out there.

lol wow what a thread this has become.