Is anyone else disturbed by this?Follow

Very interesting indeed..

i guess we will just have to see if we see any jerrys runnin around in sky..

I havent seen any.. but i dont go thier every day..

but yes.. Very interesting.

That's a good point Nights.

I wonder though what would happen if they try to farm the triggers and bazaar them to make their illicit funds instead of farming the gods themselves.

Of course, it would be much easier to thwart them that way, we just wouldn't buy from them. It would make getting the triggers more difficult though. Some may look at the situation and say a) we could go spend hours competing with un-scroupulous gil farmers to get drops for our god fight or b) we can dip into the LS bank and buy the triggers instead and save ourselves the hassle.

I really don't know how the trigger NM's work (obviously) so I'm not sure if that scenario would play out or not.

Edited, Mon Mar 21 17:05:20 2005 by Wintaru

Excellent post Nights, rate up. I agree with all of your points and I hadn't thought of the reputation factor. That's definatly a biggy.

Hmmm.... Very interesting ^^
I don't really have any relations with anyone in a HNMLS but perhaps someone could bring this to the attention of someone who is in one, or several of our HNMLS's. Make an alliance now, so that if any gilsellers ever do reach Sky, then this pre-forged alliance will go into effect.

Thoughts? Suggestiong? Comments?

Spare us the dramaticism....please? The Tenshodo aren't... well, I'll let you find that out for yourself.

Can gilsellers get all the way through ZM13? Sure, I don't see why not. There's Lv70+ gilsellers running around right now. Yes, they beat Maat. Go look at Evele and Fihkenyaa in Zi'Tah, they're prime examples. If they wanna get sky and run around up there, sure. Fine by me.

I do NOT think we'll ever see gilsellers in sky actively farming pop-items, killing gods.

On one hand: Killing at least the 4 main gods (Byakko, Suzaku, Genbu, Seiryu) may be tempting for the gilsellers. They regularly drop high-priced items, amongst which include Damascene Cloth, Damascus Ingot, Siren's Hair, Behemoth Hide, Divine Log, and Shining Cloth (very rare drop from Suzaku, I believe?). These could easily be sold via AH, and can be killed as often as they could obtain pop items.

HOWEVER: I will follow them around laughing if they ever try to start farming sky. I find it highly unlikely that gilsellers will ever have the organization or determination to pull it off.
- Especially with the high prices of Silent Oils as of late, that right there would deter them somewhat from venturing up to sky. 10k at the minimum for a stack, multiplied by at least 18 players. That's 180k minimum right there, for maybe 2 or 3 hours of oils, if they stretch them as long as they can. That's a big risk to take for reasons listed here.
- They would then have to gather information on what God pop NM was killed when. This task is already hard enough for those who speak the common language, and have the respect of other HNM LSes. I feel relatively certain that no HNM LS on our server would willingly tell a gilseller what time a god pop NM was killed. This would make pop item farming horribly inefficient for them, especially since they could sit at one of the spawn areas for upwards of 3 hours, never seeing what they're looking for.
- Killing the gods themselves takes a huge amount of effort on many people's parts. Eighteen would be a bare minimum, more is common. Playing the role of one person in an alliance fighting a god is frantic enough. Taking on the roles of two, three, or even four members is near impossible. Gilsellers are known to multi-box (playing more than 1 char at a time), and this tactic is very, very hard to pull off in a god setting.
- The enormous risk overall. You're spending massive amounts of gil to even be able to kill the gods in the first place. Massive amounts of gil and time in Silent Oils, trying to get the god pop items. Then if you're ill-prepared and lose to the gods, your pop items are gone, and all that time and money wasted getting to that point.

This is all assuming that they're alone in sky. I don't even think I need to go into the various tactics that HNM LSes could use to force gilsellers out of sky - whether they be legitimate or illegitimite. I'll let you use your imagination to figure that much out.

On the subject of buying god-pop items. I don't think any of the items are AH-able. (Curtana may be, but meh.) This would require the gilsellers to Bazaar off any items they obtained. As someone said earlier, I don't think any HNM LS would buy these items from them, or anyone, unless they were rediculously cheap, making them not worth the time they took to obtain.

I honestly would be more worried about them trying to monopolize exp spots in sky in an effort to get to 75 and grab a few nice drops off exp mobs while they're there. There are very few level 75 exp spots as it is, and having to compete with gil farmers in sky like I had to in Kuftal would make the baby Jesus cry.

ZM8 for the most part thwarts bad players from reaching sky (unless they have an experienced party drag them through it), so I'd just hope it would do the same for any gil farmers trying to finish the mission line.

I'm really not sure what they would accomplish in sky though. As was previously stated, there isn't SURE money in pop items and gods. There is POSSIBLE money, but that money hinges on them being organized enough and smart enough to find their way around sky and kill NMs and/or gods that will easily wipe out inexperienced players. I just don't see the risk-reward being that attractive to them.

after gaining access to sky last weekend i can say this, i dont think gil farmers will be able to beat ZM8.

also wintaru ZM12 is pretty easy, when you go if you need me and i am not busy i'll go with you. i dont remember the way to the nm pop site so i cant guide, but i'll be there to help kill it.

I dunno.

If that is how it works,

What if their boss goes... "According to our estimates, we have enough gil to sustain us for X amount of time if we start proceeding less. I see the possibility of a great deal of profit if we succeed in monopolizing triggers. I am temporarily lowering your quota and assigning you to a special project!"

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