So hey. How about this inflation, huh?Follow

Rant back by popular request and because I'm honestly surprised to see my emotions shared by anyone. :)

And how about a mighty FU[/b]CK YOU to everyone who's just running with it and driving the price of items well beyond what any of them are actually worth? I've watched leaping boots and empy pin rise at least at total of 500k since the beginning of this week. And haubergeon - do not even get me STARTED on haubergeon. Who the f[b]uck are you greedy bastards and what the fu[/b]ck do you think you're pulling? Has IGE finally begun the last phase of their plan - Operation Make Everything So Fu[b]cking Expensive People Have To Buy Gil to Afford It? Or has everyone just gone the way of our good buddy Smoke a Doobie over there and decided money above all else, and fu[/b]ck who can't afford it? You know it's bad when my FRIENDS won't sell their items directly to me because they want to join in the price gouging rather than help me out for cheaper. Yeah, thanks guys, you are all fuc[b]king great.

So hey. I'm gonna start Operation F[/b]uck With All AH Price Histories Until They Look Like Something Resembling Goddamned Sanity Again. I should have some money for once in my godforsaken life and rather than pay the gotdamned ludicrous price for an emperor pin for my thief, I'm going to camp the goddamned AH. I'm going to pick up every high-ticket item people are being so goddamned retarded about, and I'm going to take as many friends as I can to sit there and reset the price history, patiently, for as long as it fu[b]cking takes until this goddamned server sees some fu[b][/b]cking sense again. You want in, you let me know. I have the cash and the willpower, I just need someone else's name to show up in the price history besides mine.

I have never been so gotdamned close to dropping this game and never looking back as I am right now. Not another boo hoo gilsellers rant - these are legitimate players doing this to each other, sheer hypocrisy abounding after months of complaining that SE doesn't do anything about the gilsellers but not willing to do a goddamned thing to help EACH OTHER out, an utter lack of respect for anything but the almighty gil - don't you dare start squawking about the gilsellers and supply and demand and every other goddamned justification you can come up with for being a prick. It's GREED. It's sheer, simple greed, it's an utter lack of respect for other players, and it's contemptible. If you're ready to actually do something about it, you know what to do, asshats. Get off your pile of gil and do something good for your server for a change.

Edited, Fri Mar 11 12:30:34 2005 by Byaina

You have to admit though, it is getting a little crazy. I mean, is this still the after effects from the last major update, or is there some kind of sinking ship mentality going on? Have all the gil buyers gotten scared, thinking that their gravy train is going to get derailed? Have these folks decided to bend everyone over and fu[/b]ck them, sans KY, before their main source of income goes the way of the dodo?

Hell, I thought I was getting fu[b]cked when I had to buy Vassago’s for 400K. Now it’s going for 1 million gil, the last I checked. I know it was going for 200K or so back in November. So, we have it going from 200K in November to 1 million gil now. Don’t you think that’s a little fu[b][/b]cking ridiculous? And that’s not the only thing. There are many items now going for way more than they’re even worth and it is just madness. Who put the moldy ergot infected bread out on the market, that’s what I like to know.

Hahahahahahahahaha, I never had more than 300k in my pocket at once and I got to lvl 71, and will get till 75 like this. I never had the 1337, top-notch gear but I had the gear I needed to do a job well done. I was also always lucky and got my items when the inflation was taking a break. I have also found ways to sell my stuff when inflation was high. I never sold it on purpose I just needed my latest equip so I sold my item at the new high price.

I bought my gluttony sword at lvl 52 for 225k, I sold it for 500k. I have also made it this far selling crystals, and killing whichever NM I stumbled upon, never camped always accidental. The economy sucks, but the thing to remember that so is the world's, THE REAL WORLD. I thank GOD this is only a game, because 3 million for a shirt would suck.

Damn the price of the Apollo Staff going up 400k.

Anyone able to HQ a light staff? >.<;;

Plus everything else is sky rocketing. But what can we do?

PS: That original rant was beautiful. I say put it back! I'd curse like a trucker like I always do, but Xano hasn't taught me how to get around the filters like I asked.

/stare Xanoxonax

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Edited, Fri Mar 11 12:02:00 2005 by Awias

I don't get to play that much due to work and real life, but if I had known prices would sky rocket like they are I would have bought things back in August.

Being a DRK is hard as heck now, Absorb-Dex being 400K, Vassago's going for 1M+ now, Haubergeon going for 3.3M and going up, what the hell is going on.

I am only 45 and I am scared as heck how much things are going to cost when I hit 59...

I wonder if it's because more people buy gil than farm / craft?

At this rate I might as well quit. There is going to be no way I will be able to afford the gear I need to play, just decently.

/sigh

I hear this one a lot, but it doesn't ring true to me at all. Let's say silk has doubled in price (Not really, it's about 15-20k and used to be about 12k, but grant the premise). Yay, more money when farming, and you pay more for Emperor's Hairpin, everything balances out...except that Hairpin has tripled in price. So now you have to do 150% the farming that you would have had to do if both items had stayed at 1x the prices. I suppose that the current situation is a sweet deal for those that like NM camping, but I think I'd rather stab red hot needles in to my hands than fight with 10 other people for a chance at some overrated, overpriced item dropping.

So, saying "Hey, no big deal, everything's worth more" doesn't work. It would be all well and good if the high end items increased proportionally to the low end farming items, but that's not really the case.

(Obviously my math isn't quite exact, since I don't know exactly what items were selling for in a more healthy economy.)

Edited, Fri Mar 11 12:33:38 2005 by Mooninite

Not everyone will just pay the latest price without trying to check if someone undercut that much.

I usually pay the highest going price on cheap items such as crystals in order to avoid them going cheaper, while at the same time expensive items keep raising and raising and raising...


Sure, this time your crude undercutting technique worked. But most of the time, it'll just cut the going price ridiculously for a while ><




Since, as you said, a lot of stuff is raising in price, you can farm, and make more money than you used to. Possibly not as much, all proportions kept, but still.


I honestly think the problem, in general, isn't so much inflation, but the lack of variety in gear / gear quality. You can either have this "blazing sword of uberness" for a huge amount of money, or this "rusty sword of gimpness" for an average amount.
Some stuff in between, but not enough so that if you do not have *the* item, there won't be people to find you gimped in some way -.-

I too and getting mad seeing all this gear i'll need in 10 to 15 lvls sky-rocket><

Everytime i sell something on the AH i put it up for 100 to 500 gil below the last price but i end up with people keep bidding the last price on it so what i do doesnt work.

Bah my heart is prolly just as black and cold =P

Edited, Fri Mar 11 12:58:59 2005 by Awias

yes, I did misunderstand your point.

I re-read your post as a whole after, but I had to go back to work ^^;

You do have a point, that crafters are getting screwed. It is very true, I think I was actually telling you exactly that in another thread XD


I don't see an easy solution though... if everything because extremely cheap (you mentionned water crystals having been 600g/stack in the past... I actually remember them at 2-300 gil, same as earth crystals), no one will bother sell them (I stopped throwing my crystals away because selling them might actually be worthwile, now).

To use the example of the other thread, sweet rice cake, as you know, mugwort is extremely rare and a hassle to get, so I think it normal that certain items, such as those, are worth a lot, proportionally to other items that are much easier to get.
(with water crystals @ 2k/stack, I can still make profit on juices btw... same goes for dark crystal prices and [insert monster name] leather)

I think the problem isn't so much cost, but an inconsistency on the scaling of prices and the lack in variety of useful items available. There is also an overflow of crafted items since people have to craft useless stuff in bulk (hopefully the guild system will help with that).


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So, basically, what I am saying is that by lowering the price of already cheap items, you will make it unattractive for people to go through the trouble of getting those items, making them rare, which will, in the end, make the demand greater than the supply, and make those prices rise up again. I think this idea is a lost cause.


The solution, as I see it, would not be to lower price on lower end items, but to have the price on lower to medium items (yes, including that of the final product crafted with your water crystals), so that the difference in price between rare items and common items is more balanced.


No matter what you do, as long as the demand stays high on the items that are costing an arm and a leg... these prices will keep rising.

Edited, Fri Mar 11 13:37:05 2005 by Niji

Thanks Niji, rate up for j00!!

I do see your point. The cost of the middle tier crafting items are the big problem. While I agree with keeping the prices up in order to easily sell them, there has to be a limit.

I recently went to level my BLM in the jungles. While in Kazham, I decided to load up on juices for the intended 4 hour + session.

Not much available but I did buy most of the OJ for sale. The price? 90-100g per. Now at 2K per stack of water crystals plus whatever oranges go for. I'm just gonna guess the crafter lost on this. Not a huge loss considering the cost of the materials, but I don't think he/she/they would have gotten away trying to sell the OJ for 300g each to recoup their costs.

I do understand that while crafting, it's normal to lose money hand over fist until you get to the high demand items. I went through that levelling clothcraft. I gave up at level 12, because the materials to take me through to level 18 and beyond were gonna break me financially. So I took up fishing again, because barring lines breaks and losing that lure worth 8K (happened twice so far) and rod breaks, fishing is pure profit.

People craft to make gil, some for supplies (ie. arrows, shihei), but mostly to earn gil to buy the things they want. It would be a crime if people started quitting crafts at early levels simply because they can't afford the materials.

I constantly undercut everyhting I sell. Especialy crystal prices. I agree, and it has became out of hand. I think I'm doing about all I can do, including get the items crafted, or camp the NM instead of buying the item.

On another note, Byaina, you haven't said anything good about this game in a very long time. Perhaps it is more agrivation than it is worth?

Well, the problem is not the people that sell things pricing, it's the people that buy them. For instance, right after I had gotten done with Spider Webs (for leveling Clothcraft) I kept buying them as a stack of Rainbow threads was going for 40-50k more then what it cost to make a stack. However, I noticed shortly after people buying them at crazy prices (I was paying about 5.5-6.5k at that time and all of a sudden they shot up to 7.5-9k). My only conclusion is that A) they were in such a hurry to level that they didn't even care how much it cost. B) they were gil buyers. One person who is fairly prominent white mage and has the nobles and all that nice stuff I figured spent about 20-30 million in the course of 3 days on his Nobles tunic and the crafting supplies (not a good guy named Arturo btw, he got in the Cloth game early before lots of people picked up on crafts is how he made so much I'd imagine).

The cause isn't the gilsellers, it's people who buy the gil. 1) They encourage the gilsellers by making it a viable market. 2) They pay CRAZY prices because they have millions of cheap gil to powerlevel their crafts.

However, I love the inflation. Everytime I check back in to the game I see that the Vermillion Cloak I have in my MH has gone up by a million or so, my healing staff has gone up 1.0 - 1.2 million, and my belt (Forest Stone) has also gone up by a million. I can't wait to get back to playing, I am going to be richer then I was.

-Tweed