Another obtaining Fenrir thread?Follow

Even though we've had problems in the past I'd be glad to gave ya a hand...

Beatdown is lure!!(rule i meant heheheh)

pls start a thread titling "Beatdown IS NOT a bad player" heheheh....
xD

peace out

68 should be fine, assuming you have Dark Carol.

When is good for you? Do you have the baubel?

I'm praying for tonight, but more than likely the update will keep a lot of people from signing on. So tomorrow evening seems more likey.

This would put us at MNK/NIN BRD/WHM WHM/BLM RDM/BLM

Leaving 2 openings a PLD/NIN and another Utsusemi: Ni tank.

Edit: Just to let you know Beatdown, I'd gladely accept your help. But I'm also assuming you don't have the baubel since you just helped someone 2 days ago.


Edited, Wed Mar 2 12:07:50 2005 by SingBismark

Great startegy but only 1 flaw it seems you arent aware of or maybe i read your post wrong. You can only use 1 icarus wing per hour~ as you are medicated and cannot consume another for a quit some time. Im 75 WAR/NIN now btw If I can get the bauble thing in time ide like to go.

Lvl68 is cool and yes I just have to wait 24 hrs to get another bauble.. So I can pick one up after the update ...

Just send me a tell when ya get a chance. Tonight or tomorrow is cool with me.

I'll be on in the daytime EST tomorrow also... Got the week off hehehe...

Well, here is what happened.

Let me just say, Fenrir is a little baby.

Party set-up was PLD/NIN PLD/NIN MNK/NIN BRD/WHM WHM/SMN MNK/NIN

It pretty much came down to the 2 Paladin/Ninjas.

For the first half of his life, there was nearly no damage to either PLD. Beatdown did exceptionaly well. But the other PLD in the party sort of ruined it for us.

Beatdown is holding agro, his shadows go down.

His HP goes Yellow.... Other PLD does nothing...

HP goes a little further down, and in a matter of seconds

Eclipse Bite for 900+ DMG.


All the 2nd paladin had to do was slack for 5 seconds and we lost.

I'm 100% sure 3 level 74+ tanks with Utsusemi Ni and a WHM could win the fight.

If you have 2 tanks, they both need to be on the ball like Beatdown was. If you have 3 tanks, he becomes Easy Prey.

I'm going to try again tonight, hopefuly with a 3rd tank, and if I can't find a 3rd tank, I'll only go if I can find 2 very good tanks.

But to be honest, for an 80NM, I was a little dissapointed.


Lets talk about job balance here. You can't bring a cookie cutter party into this fight. The only way to win is to cheat and blink tank everything. SO for this NM, you rely on Utsusemi to win. As well as most other BCNM, it all comes down to a blink tank.

Then there are Manna burn parties.

Then there are RNG parties.

Then there are 3 MNK parties in KRT.

There are 6 BST BCNM.

But what do SAM, DRG, DRK, have that makes them exceptional for anything? Ever had an event and someone said "We're gonna need 3 DRG for this."

Just some thoughts I had last night while I sat awake staring in the dark, contemplating our defeat. My dreams were mixed with thoughts of revenge and pitty for the whoopin were gonna put on that dog tonight.

This is pretty much what we did.

It almost worked better because the PLD could also cure eachother to pull hate.

Only problem was when one PLD let the other PLD's shadows go down, and didn't yank hate.

It is a perfectly feesabel strategy, but you need 2 tanks who are on the ball.

In a matter of 5 seconds after Beatdown's Shadows went down, Fenrir hit him once, maybe twice, then used a TP attack and Beatdown was dead.

The other PLD should have pulled hate as soon as he saw Beatdown's HP go down, but didn't. Thats all there was to it, that 5 seconds of slacking off on the 2nd PLD's side lost the fight.

That is a great idea. I intended to go with 1 PLD for Invincible, and 1 WAR/NIN to set up light skillchain with. The problem is availability of high level WAR/NIN with moon baubel.

Gryffes was kind enough to offer his help, but we have a pretty large time zone difference. When I get home tonight, it will be 2:00 AM in the UK.

Also, I'm notorious for doing things with the less than optimal set up.

Oh, one other thing.

Last night was a Full Moon, and we still almost won.

Honestly, another effective strategy for Fenrir is the 74+ Rdm/Drk strategy.

Any party makeup with strategy can do this, but heres what I had envisioned:

75 Rdm/Drk, 65+ Whm/Smn, 70+ Nin/War, 75 Mnk/War (That's right, no /nin), 75 Blm/Whm, 65+ Brd/Whm.

Everyone goes in and melees charge up to 300% tp. Nin engages Fenrir, and everyone uses the basic Fenrir strategy (Making SURE the Rdm conserves Mp. Have the Whm concentrate on healing with the Bard backing up. Bard should bring Mp+items.) to get him down to close to his 2h hp range.

During the first part, however, whenever the Nin could manage it without risking his life, he'd throw off a Suiton: Ni to lower lightning resist. Hopefully one or two of these would hit. When Fenrir is at about 3/4 hp, the Bard would Soul Voice and start piling on accuracy and damage buffs to the monk in particular. (The blm should also always keep enough mp to throw off a Thundaga or Thunder IV. Always.)

When Fenrir starts getting real close to 2h level, the Rdm would Chainspell and start spamming Stun. At the exact same time, the Blm would hit Manafont and start piling on pure damage spells over and over again without holding back. (Thundaga III and Thunder IV being prominent, hopefully being enhanced by Suiton) Also at the same time, the Monk does 100 fists with Warcry, Agressor, Berserk (all the fun Warrior damage boosting skills) and wails on Fenrir.

The spammed stun has a good chance of interrupting Fenrir's 2h, plus he'll be all but unable to do anything for 30 seconds. If, however, he does manage to pull off a few attacks, the whm should heal whoever recieves it.

Hopefully, during the chainspell time the blm, mnk and nin will have done enough raw damage to kill Fenrir. If not, as soon as chainspell wears off, the whm runs up and uses Benediction, followed by the Nin immediately using his 2h. If your mnk and blm have done good damage, then it should finish Fenrir off.

If even that doesn't work, well, you've got your tank dead, but Fenrir should be so close to death that one DD will be enough. The Blm (assuming he's still alive) uses the mp he's saved to cast one final spell, which should finish Fenrir off.

Now, I honestly don't have any experience in a Fenrir battle, but I turned this strategy over in my head a lot and it seems like it would work. It's pretty flexible too. So long as you've got a Rdm/Drk and enough DDs, the Nin can be replaced with a Pld or the Brd can be replaced with another DD, anything.

The only major problems with this strategy is you've only got 1 tank, and you have to conserve a lot of your attacks for after the Rdm 2hs. Blms would need to conserve mp, and the Rdm would definitely need to conserve mp. Also, if the blm's or DD's spells/attacks get really resisted, then Fenrir could stay alive long enough to destroy the pt before they can recover. It's an all-or-nothing strategy.

I got the whole Rdm/Drk idea from the Summoner board initially. Fine group of people over there (generally speaking) and have a lot of great ideas.

That was one of my worries with the strategy too. Getting Fenrir to the 2h point would be the biggest challenge of the fight. It might be possible to replace the Brd with another tank if you think you need to. Replacing one of the DDs would be risky though, since you need them to finish off Fenrir.

I literaly just got done PMing you on AD forums.

Dark coral isnt that useful imo, it either gets dispeled or not reduce enough damage. You will still get hit 400-800 damage anyway.

Pld/Nin is really gimp imo, so little control compare to war sub. Our evasion is horrible also, the shadows get knock down so quick. Fenrir doesnt hit that hard, should use pld/war instead.

No skilled group is "Gimp" as you put it.

Also, it's not exactly like the jobs neede for an optimal party are just jumping out at me.

I need to work with the jobs available and when people make comitments then don't stick to them, I'll obviously be stuck with the less than optimal config. Which actualy would have worked flawlessly if the 2nd Pick-up PLD had been on the ball like Beatdown was.