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SO IM in a party in qufim

and we are on ourway to delkfuts

and we get wight aggro, duh because its qufim

so our whole pt zones

i start fighting and i get a tell from Saclunch saying

OMG wtf u should just died instead of zoning those wights

my HP was in bastok and it was my WHOLE party

so I would just like to know if I did somethign wrong here


btw he is a lvl 20 at the delks zone telling me this ><


just wondering if i should apologize to him or just accept the fact he doesnt understand aggro

nah it wasnt thta its that he was lvling his 20 job, at the delkfutts zone

In CN, yes, definately, die if you draw aggro. Zoning a Soldier from downstairs is just stupid, you're going to link half the upstairs, and kill a lot of people. There's most likely someone who can raise you at that level anyway.

Now, Qufim. At night that place is hell. In every path around the lake there's a Wight and unless you want to dodge a batallion of Giants, that's the way you gotta go to get to the tower (Wights the other way anyway). That's why I usually give people some leeway. However...

Firstly, if you have the time, WAIT FOR MORNING to go anywhere. There are a lot of aggressive monsters there during the day time too (worms especially lethal because of Bind) and they don't need compounded with the children of the night. Or you could even buy Silent Oils (under medicine in the AH) for the sneak effect. ALso it's very important to note that undead will aggro you from a mile away when your HP is yellow and below. EVEN WITH SNEAK UP!!!

If it happens, it happens, but try to avoid any uneccesary bloodspilling. It's entirely possible to get from Jeuno to Delkfutt's at night without aggroing a thing if you take your time and look before you leap.

I don't see how stating that four wights joined your one backs up your decision to zone them. If anything, that would cement my decision to stand and die.

But, to not be completely one-sided in this...if for some reason my HP was across the world (which it rarely is) I wouldn't want to die either. But I WOULD shout twice and apologize 5 times afterward.

ugh i had ONE wight on me the othr 3 joned at the zone


because they pop there

and i apologized after it

i dont understand wat is wrong with zoning one while shouting

im not just gonna die to save someone elses life cause they feel like filtering their shouts ><


Edited, Sat Feb 26 16:07:10 2005 by AndrewZt

Yeah true. But if these are the same people zoning the monsters to the zone time and time again, then they obviously don't realize that causing a mass train that could potentially kill party members is hardly a quick and efficent way to get out of there. Those same people should know how to dodge said aggro. Newbies drawing aggro is something I just can't get mad about. We all did it. But if you're of high rank and been there several times? Something's wrong with that.

And Kazham, pay attention and watch where you're going, and Smithy aggro is reduced significantly. Unless one pops right behind you. Bottom line here is, aggro is avoidable if you're patient. You could make the argument that it's not efficent exp to wait for the goblin to move. But I could make the counterstatement that it's neither efficient to have to train that goblin to the zone time and again, nor is it efficient to have to wait for Raise sickness to wear off because the goblin you aggroed killed some of your party members (or even you).

Aggro in these places is kind of a touchy subject with me, especially in Kazham. Because by then you should know how to dodge aggro. Like I said, if you're a newbie, you gotta learn somehow, no big deal. If you're experienced, and it was a mistake, hey it happens. But if you've been to these areas for the second or third (or even more) time and you're still drawing aggro (by no accident), we have a problem.

/getoffsoapbox

Edited, Sat Feb 26 17:39:40 2005 by seraphimhunter

I have to give some support to the original poster. Whatever party was camping at a spot next to Delkfutts Tower where zoned mobs will be aggroing them afterwards chose a poor spot to set up camp. Mobs are zoned to Delkfutts practically every 10 minutes. It's not like they couldn't have moved another 20 steps or so and set up camp there. It would have been to their own benefit anyway.

However, in zones like Crawlers' Nest or Garlaige, I agree that the person that got aggro should just die instead of causing multiple other parties to have to zone out. These zones have only 1 narrow way out, so parties do not have a choice to set up camp any other place. Qufim is much different though.. you've got a huge area around Delkfutts where you can successfully set up camp and laugh at the people scrambling to escape aggro.

I'm not mad at you, I just want people to realize and have consideration for other players

Really, it's pretty easy. If you're heading to camp, either sneak/invis or pay the money to get the items to sneak/invis if you're not a mage. Even as RDM, I carry around items just in case something in the area will aggro on magic. If I'm leveling a melee job, I definitely have items to sneak/invis.

I was killed recently by a guy in Cape Terrigan who tried to zone half the mobs in the area. When I sent him a tell asking to him to at least shout a warning, he got pissed off, called me a "n00b," all the stuff people like to do in those situations. As I see it, though, either spend the money to avoid aggro or at least have the courtesy to warn people. If someone gets annoyed because you didn't do one or the other, then I think they have that right.

Edited, Sun Feb 27 05:57:56 2005 by Vimesrdm

People saying that mobs shouldn't be zoned in Qufim or Yuhtunga or even Yhoator, please go spend an hour there and tell me how many zoned mobs you see. If you have such a problem with it, do lower level players a favor and go take care of trains. At those levels, BLM and RDM lack the spells or the experience to know that they can sleep or bind mobs so that you can have time to sneak/invis up and deodorize so the mob loses aggro. Expecting someone who has been playing for a few days compared to your near-100 days of play time and then yelling at them when they ***** up is just obtuse. Everyone learns at some point. I know I've been in a party where I've forgotten sneak/invis items multiple times, or run out. Practicing some tolerance towards low level players goes a long way to helping them learn about the game.

lol andrew u weren't playing i didnt think u would post this on alla. Its me Aracdi.yea that guy was a real ***** and that was a lot of enemies on us lol.