meh, you're prolly better off without 'em anyhow.
*hugglez her linkshell and runs*
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#28
Feb 22 2005 at 10:45 AM
Hello everyone,
This will be my first post here. I have been reading these forums for about a year, but that fact is beside the point. The reason why I have elected to post in this topic is because is because I sympathize with Hiptaru. Lots of people in this game offer unfair assessments of their fellow players, and they love to do it in public as well. (what better place is there to complain then the a place where everyone can see it?)
I have never met Hiptaru or any of the other "bad" players that Allakhazam's Bismark players love to hate, but I can say that I am glad they are present on the game server which I play on. Every player no matter how shiny and pretty their reputation and karma may be to their peers has bad ideas and bad days in game. To judge someone else and hold it against them forever seems a bit to biblical for a game with elves and midget dog people.
What would you all talk about if you didnt have the players that strayed away from the norm to make your play experience different? Who cares if Hiptaru had a casino? If you dont like it,then dont gamble there. But, oh the spam (O.o).....well I can tell you that you are never going to be rid of spam in jeuno. It will always steadily march down the screen the entire time you are there. Period. So why tell Hip that he shouldnt have had a casino, and not flame all the other players who spam stuff there? Are their motives not the same? Everyone in jeuno spamming up our screens wants something, hiptaru and all the other casino owners, or the people just trying to get missions or teleports are no different.
And as for the Astral rings.....So What? He bought them all boo hoo. Take a lesson in economics. I bet he made quite a bit of gil off of that venture with very little effort involved. Good for him. But as with real life, people who do something that isnt approved of by the "majority" get ostrasized. If I had needed an Astral Ring at the time sure I would have been pissed at him. So be it. I am sure I could have found forgivness in my heart eventually....
As for your application Hip, I wouldnt worry about being rejected by the "classy" LS that has rejected you, based on your awful going to hell type karma. Reputation is an odd thing and it works in strange ways. I have seen this particular LS come into the alla blue light twice as of recent and several of its members have been rude and outwardly hostile towards any challenge whatsoever. All of my LS reads these forums and that particular LS is starting to form a reputaion of their own based on the actions and commentary of its members. Think about that next time a karma **** tells you to repent. Rudeness and snobbery carry a reputaional weight of their own, and there are many many players on your server that read but do not post.
Some folks on the server are awesome to me (WE LOVE YOU ELANTARI), but more often than not people are rude and hateful to me and my LS without any reason whatsoever. Is it frustrating...of course it is. Do I think they are horrible players, and not worth pt-ing with or having around at all? Not in the slightest. I am glad they are there. Hip you can come chill with us anytime. Ive read your posts, and Ive seen you around in game. If those folks dont want yu to be a part of their little socialite karma club, then make your own group about having fun. Thats what games are for. If you are playing them for another reason besides fun, I think you have missed the point.
All in all every player on the server pays their money to be part of a community, and like any community there will always be others that you dislike. If you dont like Hip for rocking the boat, fine. You dont like other "infamous" players, fine. But they will always be there. Just as there are a considerable amount of wonderful players, there will always be those that you love to hate. You would miss them if they were gone.
In short, before you let someones reputation make your decisions for you, why dont you try using the thinking part of your head and form your own opinion. Why go through life letting other people decide your opinions for you? And to those that begin those opinions biased in negativity, beware. Dont be so hasty to judge others, unless you are prepared to accept your own judgement by your peers.
I have enjoyed reading these forums for the past year, and I hope my introduction into this community ends up being a positive thing. I apologize if my post has a negative tone, but my feelings are quite strong on the subject of unwarranted and unfair judgement of others.
(Pardon any poor grammar or spelling..I am a recovering phonics addict)
This will be my first post here. I have been reading these forums for about a year, but that fact is beside the point. The reason why I have elected to post in this topic is because is because I sympathize with Hiptaru. Lots of people in this game offer unfair assessments of their fellow players, and they love to do it in public as well. (what better place is there to complain then the a place where everyone can see it?)
I have never met Hiptaru or any of the other "bad" players that Allakhazam's Bismark players love to hate, but I can say that I am glad they are present on the game server which I play on. Every player no matter how shiny and pretty their reputation and karma may be to their peers has bad ideas and bad days in game. To judge someone else and hold it against them forever seems a bit to biblical for a game with elves and midget dog people.
What would you all talk about if you didnt have the players that strayed away from the norm to make your play experience different? Who cares if Hiptaru had a casino? If you dont like it,then dont gamble there. But, oh the spam (O.o).....well I can tell you that you are never going to be rid of spam in jeuno. It will always steadily march down the screen the entire time you are there. Period. So why tell Hip that he shouldnt have had a casino, and not flame all the other players who spam stuff there? Are their motives not the same? Everyone in jeuno spamming up our screens wants something, hiptaru and all the other casino owners, or the people just trying to get missions or teleports are no different.
And as for the Astral rings.....So What? He bought them all boo hoo. Take a lesson in economics. I bet he made quite a bit of gil off of that venture with very little effort involved. Good for him. But as with real life, people who do something that isnt approved of by the "majority" get ostrasized. If I had needed an Astral Ring at the time sure I would have been pissed at him. So be it. I am sure I could have found forgivness in my heart eventually....
As for your application Hip, I wouldnt worry about being rejected by the "classy" LS that has rejected you, based on your awful going to hell type karma. Reputation is an odd thing and it works in strange ways. I have seen this particular LS come into the alla blue light twice as of recent and several of its members have been rude and outwardly hostile towards any challenge whatsoever. All of my LS reads these forums and that particular LS is starting to form a reputaion of their own based on the actions and commentary of its members. Think about that next time a karma **** tells you to repent. Rudeness and snobbery carry a reputaional weight of their own, and there are many many players on your server that read but do not post.
Some folks on the server are awesome to me (WE LOVE YOU ELANTARI), but more often than not people are rude and hateful to me and my LS without any reason whatsoever. Is it frustrating...of course it is. Do I think they are horrible players, and not worth pt-ing with or having around at all? Not in the slightest. I am glad they are there. Hip you can come chill with us anytime. Ive read your posts, and Ive seen you around in game. If those folks dont want yu to be a part of their little socialite karma club, then make your own group about having fun. Thats what games are for. If you are playing them for another reason besides fun, I think you have missed the point.
All in all every player on the server pays their money to be part of a community, and like any community there will always be others that you dislike. If you dont like Hip for rocking the boat, fine. You dont like other "infamous" players, fine. But they will always be there. Just as there are a considerable amount of wonderful players, there will always be those that you love to hate. You would miss them if they were gone.
In short, before you let someones reputation make your decisions for you, why dont you try using the thinking part of your head and form your own opinion. Why go through life letting other people decide your opinions for you? And to those that begin those opinions biased in negativity, beware. Dont be so hasty to judge others, unless you are prepared to accept your own judgement by your peers.
I have enjoyed reading these forums for the past year, and I hope my introduction into this community ends up being a positive thing. I apologize if my post has a negative tone, but my feelings are quite strong on the subject of unwarranted and unfair judgement of others.
(Pardon any poor grammar or spelling..I am a recovering phonics addict)
#29
Feb 22 2005 at 11:15 AM
Rate up Vim, exactly what I was trying to say. I'm glad you're staying around here even if you aren't playing anymore :)
Obviously they have people apply to join to weed out people like you. (I sense a ratedown coming from posting that) >.>
ROFL no, no, my mouse is staying away from the rate button for the rest of the day :)
Edit: I see anyone defending Hip is getting rated down. Rate downs I don't mind, but have the balls to say why Q(o.OQ)
Edited, Tue Feb 22 11:16:51 2005 by Wintaru
Tyraelle wrote:
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Buncha stuff...
Obviously they have people apply to join to weed out people like you. (I sense a ratedown coming from posting that) >.>
ROFL no, no, my mouse is staying away from the rate button for the rest of the day :)
Edit: I see anyone defending Hip is getting rated down. Rate downs I don't mind, but have the balls to say why Q(o.OQ)
Edited, Tue Feb 22 11:16:51 2005 by Wintaru
#31
Feb 22 2005 at 11:26 AM
Hip, i love ya buddy >:)
Dont let that rejection get you down, it's thier lose not letting you in.
Maybe their is a hint of jeliousy coming from them, that they havent tried some of the things that you have..so, dont let it get you down. :D
Dont let that rejection get you down, it's thier lose not letting you in.
Maybe their is a hint of jeliousy coming from them, that they havent tried some of the things that you have..so, dont let it get you down. :D
#32
Feb 22 2005 at 11:38 AM
Ok the astral rings, the raffles, the casinos,the jelousy? WE DON'T CARE. Did you see any majority of the AD members out there jumping on the bandwagon condemming HIptaru for his AStral ring actions a while back? Nor did any large number of us publicly voiced out dissastisfaction at his Casino spam when it happened. BUT a MAJORITY did agree that he wouldn't fit in very well, what do you want? an appology for rejecting you? People are acting like it's just a random day when ArchDominus had nothing to do and decided just to bring up Hiptaru's old habits and flame him for it. He came to us asking to join and we said no, what more is there to this? HOw many AD members do any of you know? do you know what encounters they might've had with Hiptaru in the past? Why do you assume that it was all based on what we've heard and read from this forum?
Did Hiptaru have people that voted to get him in? yes, he met Mr. Belding, that was one vote. Do I care about all his gil making adventures? he knows I don't. When the LS asked to discuss and I have prior experiences with him asides from the obvious I ofcourse told them of what ever runs in I had with him. What the other members and officers decides then, is based on that.
Please read, if you have the pearl, you are a member. If you hop off the pearl after you got what you want, that's called leeching. To some people, to me at least, its no big deal, Forgottendream had soo many pearl hoppers its nothing new. When asked to discussed how ever, I will retell the story, what the members does with it is out of my hand. I provided this example as something a member voted based NOT on what he read in a forum (which many of you still are trying to accuse AD of.) The officers that informed HIptaru of his application being decline was just "classy" enough to leave out the details of an LS's personal businesss and therefore, mentioned the usual. I still don't get why we have to explain ourselves on this subject.
You guys that are giving AD crap for what ever reason please stop using that "classy" excuse of HIptaru not naming AD out. Like someone said, this is a lashed out thread and doesn't take a genius to connect the dot. So what? you think that everytime you say "this LS" does this and that that we aren't offended? So tell me how "classy" Hip is being again? airing out all the laundry? Most AD members don't care enough to response, and I applaud their reservation in not wanting to create uncessary drama. I my self, do not have that virtue and when out of no where a perfectly respectable LS is being put on a butcher block. Ok if you like HIptaru, replied and tell him you like him. But backing him up by unfairly judging our Linkshell, especially if its being hypocritical. "You don't even know us" rings a bell? Hiptaru good, Ad rejected him, AD bad, yah right.
Edited, Tue Feb 22 11:57:45 2005 by Bowser
Did Hiptaru have people that voted to get him in? yes, he met Mr. Belding, that was one vote. Do I care about all his gil making adventures? he knows I don't. When the LS asked to discuss and I have prior experiences with him asides from the obvious I ofcourse told them of what ever runs in I had with him. What the other members and officers decides then, is based on that.
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Oh, and just because I can't resist, the whole "leeching" accusation on a Rank 5 mission. My LS has had people come along who weren't LS members on quests
Please read, if you have the pearl, you are a member. If you hop off the pearl after you got what you want, that's called leeching. To some people, to me at least, its no big deal, Forgottendream had soo many pearl hoppers its nothing new. When asked to discussed how ever, I will retell the story, what the members does with it is out of my hand. I provided this example as something a member voted based NOT on what he read in a forum (which many of you still are trying to accuse AD of.) The officers that informed HIptaru of his application being decline was just "classy" enough to leave out the details of an LS's personal businesss and therefore, mentioned the usual. I still don't get why we have to explain ourselves on this subject.
You guys that are giving AD crap for what ever reason please stop using that "classy" excuse of HIptaru not naming AD out. Like someone said, this is a lashed out thread and doesn't take a genius to connect the dot. So what? you think that everytime you say "this LS" does this and that that we aren't offended? So tell me how "classy" Hip is being again? airing out all the laundry? Most AD members don't care enough to response, and I applaud their reservation in not wanting to create uncessary drama. I my self, do not have that virtue and when out of no where a perfectly respectable LS is being put on a butcher block. Ok if you like HIptaru, replied and tell him you like him. But backing him up by unfairly judging our Linkshell, especially if its being hypocritical. "You don't even know us" rings a bell? Hiptaru good, Ad rejected him, AD bad, yah right.
Edited, Tue Feb 22 11:57:45 2005 by Bowser
#33
Feb 22 2005 at 11:54 AM
I didnt read any of the other post in this thread @_@ too many.
But Hiptaru your a awsome guy. Im glad you are on my server so dont let anything like that get you down.
But Hiptaru your a awsome guy. Im glad you are on my server so dont let anything like that get you down.
#34
Feb 22 2005 at 12:09 PM
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Hip sounds like a cry baby for posting this.
Not very mature.
Not very mature.
#35
Feb 22 2005 at 12:12 PM
Tyraelle wrote:
First and for most I was just doing what Hip wanted.. "What you say won't hurt my feelings and I want your honest opinion and stuff". I mean d@#$! What is this? A linkshell doesn't need people to "apply" to join, its a d@#! game cry for crying out loud. Talk about taking things way too seriously... Also if by "people" like you, you mean guys who remember its a game to have fun and chill then ok. Or you could mean guys like me who aren't "hardcore" and stuff then fine too. Hip I must apologize
for this post right here. I'm not one to do this kind of thing let alone let it slide.
Edited, Tue Feb 22 12:24:42 2005 by dadrtystth
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Obviously they have people apply to join to weed out people like you. (I sense a ratedown coming from posting that) >.>
First and for most I was just doing what Hip wanted.. "What you say won't hurt my feelings and I want your honest opinion and stuff". I mean d@#$! What is this? A linkshell doesn't need people to "apply" to join, its a d@#! game cry for crying out loud. Talk about taking things way too seriously... Also if by "people" like you, you mean guys who remember its a game to have fun and chill then ok. Or you could mean guys like me who aren't "hardcore" and stuff then fine too. Hip I must apologize
for this post right here. I'm not one to do this kind of thing let alone let it slide.
Edited, Tue Feb 22 12:24:42 2005 by dadrtystth
#36
Feb 22 2005 at 12:17 PM
Bowser wrote:
You guys that are giving AD crap for what ever reason please stop using that "classy" excuse of HIptaru not naming AD out. Like someone said, this is a lashed out thread and doesn't take a genius to connect the dot. So what? you think that everytime you say "this LS" does this and that that we aren't offended? So tell me how "classy" Hip is being again? airing out all the laundry? Most AD members don't care enough to response, and I applaud their reservation in not wanting to create uncessary drama. I my self, do not have that virtue and when out of no where a perfectly respectable LS is being put on a butcher block. Ok if you like HIptaru, replied and tell him you like him. But backing him up by unfairly judging our Linkshell, especially if its being hypocritical. "You don't even know us" rings a bell? Hiptaru good, Ad rejected him, AD bad, yah right.
Hoping I'm not lumped in the "You guys" in this. I, for one, didn't have a clue that he was applying and wouldn't have "connected the dots".
I know a few people in AD and I think they are great (hence I have a general good feeling about AD as a group since I know the character of said individuals and realize that they would only surround themselves with like minded players).
Do I agree with this thread? Not really.
Do I think Hiptaru is a nice guy? Sure.
Just clarifying, I'm not jumping on AD or any other LS for this, nor do I care who you allow in or don't allow in and why.
#37
Feb 22 2005 at 12:44 PM
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21 posts
im in AD. and from what i have noticed all it takes is 2-3 negitive comments to deny someone membership. pretty much because we want to keep quarrling and drama to a minimum. when 2 ls members don't like each other it causes a lot of friction. i like AD's family feel and id like it to stay that way.
hiptaru - i didn't vote one way or another for you, because i don't know you and thats what i normally do when i don't know someone. unless they are blm, smn, or rng and then im like "gibs that job a trial!" and the reason i didn't even say gibs that blm a trail for you was because of your reputation. i never seen your casino stuff before and even if i had i wouldn't have cared. your astral rings didn't sit to well with me either, but im not going to cry about it. what i have seen you do is go off like a powder keg on a couple threads where people were complaining about your money making methods. and thats pretty much why i decided to remain quiet. im not saying you didn't have cause to go off like you did on a couple threads, but its not someone i want to hang out with really. but im pretty flexable i could have dealed. not that it would have mattered, i saw way more than 2-3 negetive votes. you have to admit people either like you or hate you. and asking out of a pool of 50-60 people not to have something negetive to say about you is asking a lot.
i hope you find the higher end content your are looking for and with people that you mesh with better.
hiptaru - i didn't vote one way or another for you, because i don't know you and thats what i normally do when i don't know someone. unless they are blm, smn, or rng and then im like "gibs that job a trial!" and the reason i didn't even say gibs that blm a trail for you was because of your reputation. i never seen your casino stuff before and even if i had i wouldn't have cared. your astral rings didn't sit to well with me either, but im not going to cry about it. what i have seen you do is go off like a powder keg on a couple threads where people were complaining about your money making methods. and thats pretty much why i decided to remain quiet. im not saying you didn't have cause to go off like you did on a couple threads, but its not someone i want to hang out with really. but im pretty flexable i could have dealed. not that it would have mattered, i saw way more than 2-3 negetive votes. you have to admit people either like you or hate you. and asking out of a pool of 50-60 people not to have something negetive to say about you is asking a lot.
i hope you find the higher end content your are looking for and with people that you mesh with better.
#38
Feb 22 2005 at 12:48 PM
LoL!!! Am i the only one that finds it funny as **** that the one who like Hippy, are getting rated down like crazy!? lmao!!!
Example: Myself and Mosh,Win as well, probably a few others....time to grow up people...keep the rate downs a comin...hahah
Mosh, send me a /tell i need some Bst info buddy >:)
Edited, Tue Feb 22 12:52:16 2005 by Bellrogg
Example: Myself and Mosh,Win as well, probably a few others....time to grow up people...keep the rate downs a comin...hahah
Mosh, send me a /tell i need some Bst info buddy >:)
Edited, Tue Feb 22 12:52:16 2005 by Bellrogg
#39
Feb 22 2005 at 12:58 PM
Bowser chill for a minute, take deep breath now exhale. I knew you when you were a newb, I helped you out when I was higher than you and you eventually returned the favor. I like you and the other croneys Kfcc, and Xxiii. You need to chill for a minute and not get all postal over one person's post which didnt mention AD until you yourself did.
Everyone knows AD is a very good group, in FFXI skill and as people in general. No need to explain to anyone your LS' reasons, **** happens and people may be the leetest players ever but it all depends how they will get along with the LS. Just let it go as to not keep bumping this thread anymore. Your LS rocks to you and the people in it regardless of what outsiders think.
Hiptaru goodluck on anything you put your efforts to in the future. Too bad, and it happens dont let it get you down. Goodluck.
Everyone knows AD is a very good group, in FFXI skill and as people in general. No need to explain to anyone your LS' reasons, **** happens and people may be the leetest players ever but it all depends how they will get along with the LS. Just let it go as to not keep bumping this thread anymore. Your LS rocks to you and the people in it regardless of what outsiders think.
Hiptaru goodluck on anything you put your efforts to in the future. Too bad, and it happens dont let it get you down. Goodluck.
#40
Feb 22 2005 at 1:02 PM
To whoever is rating me down!
You ****, i know your still trolling this thread. I dont post on this site everyday and help out sorry asses like you and get a rate up once a month so you can rate me down. Give me a Pm i dare you and i will hunt you down and make sure i delevel your *** to 1. If you dont like how we like Hiptaru go **** yourself, this is a board its meant for opinions. I just stated how i liked him and didnt hate on anyone else, well im hating on you now.
Bellrogg sure i will :D i rated you up on your posts to help you some.
Edited, Tue Feb 22 13:21:04 2005 by Moshiiii
You ****, i know your still trolling this thread. I dont post on this site everyday and help out sorry asses like you and get a rate up once a month so you can rate me down. Give me a Pm i dare you and i will hunt you down and make sure i delevel your *** to 1. If you dont like how we like Hiptaru go **** yourself, this is a board its meant for opinions. I just stated how i liked him and didnt hate on anyone else, well im hating on you now.
Bellrogg sure i will :D i rated you up on your posts to help you some.
Edited, Tue Feb 22 13:21:04 2005 by Moshiiii
#41
Feb 22 2005 at 1:03 PM
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What would you all talk about if you didnt have the players that strayed away from the norm to make your play experience different? Who cares if Hiptaru had a casino? If you dont like it,then dont gamble there. But, oh the spam (O.o).....well I can tell you that you are never going to be rid of spam in jeuno. It will always steadily march down the screen the entire time you are there. Period. So why tell Hip that he shouldnt have had a casino, and not flame all the other players who spam stuff there? Are their motives not the same? Everyone in jeuno spamming up our screens wants something, hiptaru and all the other casino owners, or the people just trying to get missions or teleports are no different
I could not disagree here more, to me the difference between shouting for help on that incredible AF3 battle, and spamming Jeuno in attempts to make more money are very different things. Perhaps that was just me though.
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And as for the Astral rings.....So What? He bought them all boo hoo. Take a lesson in economics. I bet he made quite a bit of gil off of that venture with very little effort involved. Good for him. But as with real life, people who do something that isnt approved of by the "majority" get ostrasized. If I had needed an Astral Ring at the time sure I would have been pissed at him. So be it. I am sure I could have found forgivness in my heart eventually....
To me, that is much of a problem as a player. I play FFXI for fun. Although artificial price manipulation may be "fun" for some players, it is not fun for others, especially players struggling to earn the gil for those excellent rings. I can sympathize very much with those players.
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As for your application Hip, I wouldnt worry about being rejected by the "classy" LS that has rejected you, based on your awful going to hell type karma. Reputation is an odd thing and it works in strange ways. I have seen this particular LS come into the alla blue light twice as of recent and several of its members have been rude and outwardly hostile towards any challenge whatsoever. All of my LS reads these forums and that particular LS is starting to form a reputaion of their own based on the actions and commentary of its members.
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If those folks dont want yu to be a part of their little socialite karma club, then make your own group about having fun.
{Warning note: This section is a semi-hijack, as I feel unfair statements have been made about the people I call my friends and family in FFXI.)
I'm just going to assume your bio is updated, I see you are currently level 41. Because of that I am going to go out on a limb and assume you don't know many of my linkshell members personally.
Assuming the majority of this post is based on the point that it is important to give people a chance, and not judge based upon reputation, I find this be incredibly hypocritical. You have seen a thread that was directly aimed for my LS by a member who left on worse than best terms. I quite frankly, apologize for that first of all, as it should never have gone on the Allakhazam boards, some people are just never willing to accept things. That entire thread was very negative, and no matter how it was worded was very much based upon being an attack on my linkshell. At any rate, I would say I find it unfair of you to on one hand to forgive Hiptaru of his bad reputation, and one the same hand, attempt to call my linkshell a "socialiate karma club" when you really do not know many of the members personally. Again, perhaps I am missing something from the post, and if I am please feel free to correct me.
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In short, before you let someones reputation make your decisions for you, why dont you try using the thinking part of your head and form your own opinion. Why go through life letting other people decide your opinions for you? And to those that begin those opinions biased in negativity, beware. Dont be so hasty to judge others, unless you are prepared to accept your own judgement by your peers.
I completely agree with you here. I think it is something we could all take a page from.
#42
Feb 22 2005 at 1:12 PM
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What he did for Infamous. He took the most hated player on this server and decided to give this guy a chance. Something I believe NONE of us would have done. Granted Infamous probably has/will ***** his chance, but at least Hiptaru gave him one
He did give him a chance indeed, but IK already burned that bridge. The rest of the linkshell eventually got sick of him and kicked him out due to a particular incident.
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Hip sounds like a cry baby for posting this.
Not very mature.
Not very mature.
Nor is making a post like that one, hypocrite.
#43
Feb 22 2005 at 1:40 PM
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I could not disagree here more, to me the difference between shouting for help on that incredible AF3 battle, and spamming Jeuno in attempts to make more money are very different things. Perhaps that was just me though.
Maybe so, maybe not. Everyone is entitled their own opinion and so I will respect yours. I was just stating that shouting in public areas serves a purpose, and that purpose is to aquire something.
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To me, that is much of a problem as a player. I play FFXI for fun. Although artificial price manipulation may be "fun" for some players, it is not fun for others, especially players struggling to earn the gil for those excellent rings. I can sympathize very much with those players.
Sadly the issue with the rings is the direct result of a player controlled economy. Price controlling is standard in FF XI, it is how money made. Crafting works on the same principles. Its not fun for anyone. Its just how the game is. I just dont think its fair to single him out for using his gil to try and corner a popular section of the market and get ahead. Once again I feel that this is an issue taht is highly colored by how one chooses to veiw it, and I completly understand your opinion on the subject. But let me reiterate that the economy of the server is controlled by the players. They didnt have to buy the more exspensive astrals, and the whole ploy could have backfired horribly on hip from a financial (virtual finance) standpoint, but it did not. I respect your opinion on this subject and than you for taking the time to debate it with me. ^^
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{Warning note: This section is a semi-hijack, as I feel unfair statements have been made about the people I call my friends and family in FFXI.)
I'm just going to assume your bio is updated, I see you are currently level 41. Because of that I am going to go out on a limb and assume you don't know many of my linkshell members personally.
Assuming the majority of this post is based on the point that it is important to give people a chance, and not judge based upon reputation, I find this be incredibly hypocritical. You have seen a thread that was directly aimed for my LS by a member who left on worse than best terms. I quite frankly, apologize for that first of all, as it should never have gone on the Allakhazam boards, some people are just never willing to accept things. That entire thread was very negative, and no matter how it was worded was very much based upon being an attack on my linkshell. At any rate, I would say I find it unfair of you to on one hand to forgive Hiptaru of his bad reputation, and one the same hand, attempt to call my linkshell a "socialiate karma club" when you really do not know many of the members personally. Again, perhaps I am missing something from the post, and if I am please feel free to correct me.
I'm just going to assume your bio is updated, I see you are currently level 41. Because of that I am going to go out on a limb and assume you don't know many of my linkshell members personally.
Assuming the majority of this post is based on the point that it is important to give people a chance, and not judge based upon reputation, I find this be incredibly hypocritical. You have seen a thread that was directly aimed for my LS by a member who left on worse than best terms. I quite frankly, apologize for that first of all, as it should never have gone on the Allakhazam boards, some people are just never willing to accept things. That entire thread was very negative, and no matter how it was worded was very much based upon being an attack on my linkshell. At any rate, I would say I find it unfair of you to on one hand to forgive Hiptaru of his bad reputation, and one the same hand, attempt to call my linkshell a "socialiate karma club" when you really do not know many of the members personally. Again, perhaps I am missing something from the post, and if I am please feel free to correct me.
To be honest I have not actually met anyone from your LS, and it was not my intent to pass judgement upon them. I was just being sarcastic about the subject matter of this thread...I must not be very good at it. I havent met anyone who has posted in this topic unless it was just in passing. I based most of the information in my post from the information posted within this topic. The LS that hip was referring to may or may not be the best thing on the server. I was just a little miffed that he didnt actually call them out so much as ask for a serverwide opinion of himself,and they came barking about reputaion (though some of the origianl content from those posts has been edited now, to a much more logical argument, it was not so at the time of my first post). Sure he listed the reasons for rejection. Anyone who has been rejected for anything before can share that sentiment I am sure. If feels terrible. And I am sorry if you think that I called your LS a socialite karma club. It was actually a blanket statement (another bad attemp at sarcasm on my part...bear with me, maybey ill get it right in the future) about players who shut other players out based upon the conceptions of others and dont really give them a chance, not a label for your LS. I am going to assume that you are from the AD LS as that appears to be the LS that has taken offense to hips posts. Please dont think that I would just come out calling names on post #1. I like to stir things up, but I prefer to do it with challenging conversation as opposed to pointed name calling. Perhaps you misinterpretted my post (more likely I wrote it poorly...grammar is not my strong suit). I mean no ill towards your LS. Yes my post had a negative feel to it, but it was my intention for it to be veiwed in such a way as to promote positive thought. Thank you for taking the time to humor my banter, it is very welcomed. Your post is well worded and thoughtful(I will rate you up). I hope to meet you in game as well, and I extend the same invitation that I did to Hip. Stop by, hang out, whatever, just try and have fun!
And dont worry about the samll stuff, it causes cancer anyways.
#44
Feb 22 2005 at 1:47 PM
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Oh .. by the way if a d@#! linkshell has people "apply" to join... then their obviously taking themselves way too seriously.
heh.
people can't all get along. the more people there are in a shell, the more chances are that you will be equipping your pearl only to go "how the hell did this moron get into the shell I used to love?!"
when grouping with people from your shell is no better than any pickup group, there's a problem.
when you have people from your shell on your blist, there's a problem.
the way to avoid that is to have people say "hey, I'd like to join your shell. I'm like this, I play for these reasons, this is me.". Then people look at it, maybe talk with the person and go "heyy... this guy/gal looks fun! let's see how it goes !" or "hm... I don't think things will work out. Let's avoid us alot of pain."
just life for any group of people, actually.
Especially when it comes to groups of people who have activities that require skill and cohesion, like an HNM LS.
If you want to do these events, you need rules, or it won't happen. Sure, you may want to play for fun, but once you've gone through most of the low level content and you're lvl 70+, you can either
-spend all your time helping people, for ever, and ever, to no end
-quit out of boredom
-join an organised shell that will help you do challenging stuff that will keep you occupied for another few months.
#45
Feb 22 2005 at 1:54 PM
Quote:
To be honest I have not actually met anyone from your LS, and it was not my intent to pass judgement upon them. ...
Well then, my sincere apologies, I see I have misunderstood the objective of your first post.
#46
Feb 22 2005 at 2:06 PM
Hmm. I've been playing this game since jan 04. Never had a problem with Hiptaruu.
Casino problems? Well lets see you make money off them so why not. If people are running them then there are obviously ppl who enjoy doing it. Blist hip for advertising his casio 6 months ago you might as well blist the ppl who used his casion as well.
Astral Ring. Hmm. Cant say I agree with getting the price jacked up. But I thought the raffle thing was cool. I hear lots of ppl particapated. So there was once again a market for it. Might as well blist those ppl too.
I think that avoiding calling the linkshell by its real name was awesome of Hiptaruu. And I also noticed something about The few ls incidents I have read about on the forums where ppl such as hip and myself (Yes I had a ls problem too) say something about a linkshell then dont give its name. Always it never fails 1 person from that Ls HAS to speak up justifying their reasons for their actions. Your not gonna change hips mind.Same way hip cant get u to let him in to the ls. Hip never said what your ls name was so no one except for you and him are gonna know what ls he's talking about. Theres no real need to jump and shout Im <insert name here> from the <insert ls name here> that Hip is talking about and we did this this and this for blah blah blah.
Casino problems? Well lets see you make money off them so why not. If people are running them then there are obviously ppl who enjoy doing it. Blist hip for advertising his casio 6 months ago you might as well blist the ppl who used his casion as well.
Astral Ring. Hmm. Cant say I agree with getting the price jacked up. But I thought the raffle thing was cool. I hear lots of ppl particapated. So there was once again a market for it. Might as well blist those ppl too.
I think that avoiding calling the linkshell by its real name was awesome of Hiptaruu. And I also noticed something about The few ls incidents I have read about on the forums where ppl such as hip and myself (Yes I had a ls problem too) say something about a linkshell then dont give its name. Always it never fails 1 person from that Ls HAS to speak up justifying their reasons for their actions. Your not gonna change hips mind.Same way hip cant get u to let him in to the ls. Hip never said what your ls name was so no one except for you and him are gonna know what ls he's talking about. Theres no real need to jump and shout Im <insert name here> from the <insert ls name here> that Hip is talking about and we did this this and this for blah blah blah.
#47
Feb 22 2005 at 3:11 PM
You still don't get it do you? its like me making remarks about a certain "dragoon level 56" and everyone else, not knowing what ever, jumped on and make judgment about the "dragoon level 56." Granted there are many dragoons level 56 but as far as HNM scenes are concern, there are only a few and yes Hiptaru did provided "clues" that it was AD. Really, isn't that just passive aggressively trying to provoke a confrontation? Not only that, he whined on our own LS forum as well. So what? I'm supposed to sit back and watch people make disparaging comments about "the Mystery LS?"
The Mystery LS is being unreasonable by rejecting such a cool guy, The Mystery LS are elitist asses, would that have made you feel better? People are not allowed to rebuff when their LS are being implicated? Not like if I jumped up to the defense of The Mystery LS that you all won't know that it was AD. If Hiptaru was such a classy guy he wouldn't have made this thread in the first place. Like someone posted, if it was really just about him wanting to know people's opinions about himself, he shouldn't have concern our Linkshell in it at all. Not naming an LS but leaves little to the imagination, then proceeds to called them Shallow is classy? If Hiptaru want to fish for compliments, he's welcome to do it as long as he leave AD out of it.
Edited, Tue Feb 22 15:16:17 2005 by Bowser
The Mystery LS is being unreasonable by rejecting such a cool guy, The Mystery LS are elitist asses, would that have made you feel better? People are not allowed to rebuff when their LS are being implicated? Not like if I jumped up to the defense of The Mystery LS that you all won't know that it was AD. If Hiptaru was such a classy guy he wouldn't have made this thread in the first place. Like someone posted, if it was really just about him wanting to know people's opinions about himself, he shouldn't have concern our Linkshell in it at all. Not naming an LS but leaves little to the imagination, then proceeds to called them Shallow is classy? If Hiptaru want to fish for compliments, he's welcome to do it as long as he leave AD out of it.
Edited, Tue Feb 22 15:16:17 2005 by Bowser
#48
Feb 22 2005 at 3:18 PM
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What is this? A linkshell doesn't need people to "apply" to join, its a d@#! game cry for crying out loud
There are a lot of immature people out there that get their hands on this game. The application process weeds those people out. If linkshells didn't have some sort of a screening system we'd see this happen:
*Welcome to Lunarians*
<Johnb> {Riverne-Site #A01} {Do you need it?}
*crickets*
*Welcome to IRON*
<Johnb> {Riverne-Site #A01} {Do you need it?}
*crickets*
*Welcome to ArchDominus*
<Johnb> {Riverne-Site #A01} {Do you need it?}
...and on and on and on...
I just don't get how you are basing your opinion that some form of an application process is unecessary. Linkshells are like mini communities. If you get someone that doesn't fit in the shell it can cause all sorts of chaos. Some shells don't have application processes, but they will still kick you out if you don't fit. It's in essence the same thing, the application process is just a bit more formal.
And on to the OP: Hip, I don't know you at all. All I know is what I see of you in game and what I see of you on these boards. What I've seen hasn't been entirely bad nor entirely good, but regardless of how much good you do, an air of drama tends to follow you around, some would call it your "reputation."
If you want that reputation to start to change, my only advice would maybe be to not blow up on these boards so often. I've seen lots of flame wars involving you and I don't tend to gain respect for a person who can't communicate his/her opinions in a civilized manner (this has nothing to do with how you are in this post, this is referring to posts over the last few months).
If you don't want that reputation to change, that's fine, more power to you, but don't act so shocked when things like this happen.
#49
Feb 22 2005 at 3:24 PM
Bowser wrote:
You still don't get it do you? its like me making remarks about a certain "dragoon level 56" and everyone else, not knowing what ever, jumped on and make judgment about the "dragoon level 56." Granted there are many dragoons level 56 but as far as HNM scenes are concern, there are only a few and yes Hiptaru did provided "clues" that it was AD. Really, isn't that just passive aggressively trying to provoke a confrontation? Not only that, he whined on our own LS forum as well. So what? I'm supposed to sit back and watch people make disparaging comments about "the Mystery LS?"
The Mystery LS is being unreasonable by rejecting such a cool guy, The Mystery LS are elitist asses, would that have made you feel better? People are not allowed to rebuff when their LS are being implicated? Not like if I jumped up to the defense of The Mystery LS that you all won't know that it was AD. If Hiptaru was such a classy guy he wouldn't have made this thread in the first place. Like someone posted, if it was really just about him wanting to know people's opinions about himself, he shouldn't have concern our Linkshell in it at all. Not naming an LS but leaves little to the imagination, then proceeds to called them Shallow is classy? If Hiptaru want to fish for compliments, he's welcome to do it as long as he leave AD out of it.
Edited, Tue Feb 22 15:16:17 2005 by Bowser
The Mystery LS is being unreasonable by rejecting such a cool guy, The Mystery LS are elitist asses, would that have made you feel better? People are not allowed to rebuff when their LS are being implicated? Not like if I jumped up to the defense of The Mystery LS that you all won't know that it was AD. If Hiptaru was such a classy guy he wouldn't have made this thread in the first place. Like someone posted, if it was really just about him wanting to know people's opinions about himself, he shouldn't have concern our Linkshell in it at all. Not naming an LS but leaves little to the imagination, then proceeds to called them Shallow is classy? If Hiptaru want to fish for compliments, he's welcome to do it as long as he leave AD out of it.
Edited, Tue Feb 22 15:16:17 2005 by Bowser
How was I supposed to infer that the LS he was talking about was AD? I had no clue before you posted. I guess that makes me an idiot because I missed some kind of code in his initial post that inferred to AD.
Still have lots of respect for AD but my opinion of you is falling Bowser (I'm sure that hurts you terribly too ^^). Please point out where I should have seen that AD was the "Mystery LS".
Here's his original post:
Quote:
And i can totally accept anything you say here.. your not gonna hurt my feelings, and i am not gonna flame any of you..
I Recently heard of a "Classy" HNM ls on the Bismarck Server.. So i decided to apply.. i am not gonna name names, because that would not be "Classy" . I respect thier decision of course, but i dont respect the reasons...
The reasons for being denied membership were these..
1. Casino spam...
I would like to know... when is the last time anybody saw me spam my casino.. seriously.. when... i think that is just silly.
2. The Astral Ring incident..
Why on earth would you not accept a member into a LS because of what they buy at the AH with thier own hard earned gil...
3. My Reputation...
Now that is the one that really offended me... the other 2, i can understand.. but i didnt know i had such a bad reputation.. From what i have seen, nobody has a real problem with me.. I just think its wierd..
So, i want your honest opinion Bismark.. The 3 reasons that were given.. . Does most of the Server see me that way? Am i really that terrible of a person? Do i not help enough people out?
I am seriously offended and think that it is very shallow to deny membership because of this.. So let me have it.. What does Bismarck think of me? Because i am one little hurt Tarutaru.
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75Blm 37Whm 17Thf 9Smn 9Nin 14Bst 8Rdm
52 Goldsmithing 10 Clothcraft
LS:HipnotikNation Bismarck Server
Rank 7 and Casinos Suck ;;
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http://www.stealingsilence.com
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I Recently heard of a "Classy" HNM ls on the Bismarck Server.. So i decided to apply.. i am not gonna name names, because that would not be "Classy" . I respect thier decision of course, but i dont respect the reasons...
The reasons for being denied membership were these..
1. Casino spam...
I would like to know... when is the last time anybody saw me spam my casino.. seriously.. when... i think that is just silly.
2. The Astral Ring incident..
Why on earth would you not accept a member into a LS because of what they buy at the AH with thier own hard earned gil...
3. My Reputation...
Now that is the one that really offended me... the other 2, i can understand.. but i didnt know i had such a bad reputation.. From what i have seen, nobody has a real problem with me.. I just think its wierd..
So, i want your honest opinion Bismark.. The 3 reasons that were given.. . Does most of the Server see me that way? Am i really that terrible of a person? Do i not help enough people out?
I am seriously offended and think that it is very shallow to deny membership because of this.. So let me have it.. What does Bismarck think of me? Because i am one little hurt Tarutaru.
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75Blm 37Whm 17Thf 9Smn 9Nin 14Bst 8Rdm
52 Goldsmithing 10 Clothcraft
LS:HipnotikNation Bismarck Server
Rank 7 and Casinos Suck ;;
**********************************
http://www.stealingsilence.com
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Not sure where the secret code is to finger AD....
#50
Feb 22 2005 at 3:27 PM
Apocpink wrote:
*Welcome to Lunarians*
<Johnb> {Riverne-Site #A01} {Do you need it?}
*crickets*
*Welcome to IRON*
<Johnb> {Riverne-Site #A01} {Do you need it?}
*crickets*
*Welcome to ArchDominus*
<Johnb> {Riverne-Site #A01} {Do you need it?}
Yeah, so instead we all get individualized tells. ><
#51
Feb 22 2005 at 3:32 PM
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Not sure where the secret code is to finger AD....Not sure where the secret code is to finger AD....
If you would please go check out our forum, there's a very similar post hiptaru made on his application thread. Connect the damn dot. It's so simple even some cat ranger would be able to figure it out.
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