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R ther gilz in hear?

kan i hav sum gilz?

Gilz? >.>

I agree with the making of this thread but don't see why it was started. Haven't seen any HNM drama in awhile

Added to the Bismarck Helpful Threads ^^

Personaly, I think we have it pretty good on Bismark as compared to other servers. We do not have GM watching HNM spawns to watch for training and such. I really wish more people would handle issues in game or on each others forums than dragging it into the public text such as this.

I am so freakin' ticked off.

I was camping Golden Bat for an HOUR, and some hoochie mama of a hyped up freakin taru came in and got it while I was talking on my LS (which is Knights of Ronfaure.)

I think he was with some...NEW...linkshell. It was green.

If you see his LS, don't talk to them. I'd bet my *** they're botters anyway.

Cheaters suck.

lmao. Way to have a sense of humor guys, rate me into the basement if you want to ;)

My point in parody is, most people have little to no experience with HNM linkshells, and those that do ought to have the necessary maturity not to need a padded room in which to flame the crap out of each other.
I could make a 'RDM vs BRD Drama' thread, a convenient place for red mages and bards to flame one another, but what would be the point?

This thread will just become more of the silly, self-important garbage that got flung around on the bad players list when the Lunarians got hysterical about something or other.

The Bismarck forum shouldn't need a garbage can for HNM people to toss their drama in. They should have the restraint and maturity to handle it mano a mano, right?

Instead of rating the thread down, I tried to be light about it, and was promptly downrated for it. Just goes to show you should always shoot in the back first before the other guy does.

What's funny to me is that half of you apparently neither read the first post nor understood the tone of it. I know this is completely futile, as most people who come here to whine about their HNM drama don't bother reading anything else on the boards first. They aren't interested in anything else but their airing dirty laundry.

I was trying to make a point. I've been around here long enough to know nobody will bother using this thread.

Sorry to inject a dose of reality into your flamewar, go back to it.

Edited, Sat Feb 19 21:09:32 2005 by Byaina

I honestly wasn't addressing you, seraphim. :/ And I'll fully take the responsibility for the tone not being obvious but I thought the part about "it'll never work, because" etc would've given it away. But I'm obviously wrong, so. Apologies for any offense.

Edited, Sat Feb 19 21:06:37 2005 by Byaina

Nowhere better to put this so might as well say it here.

After talking to some of the people from other servers in the HNM scene....we have it easy here. Other servers, some have LSes that routinely try to MPK entire alliances to get claim on HNMs for themselves, and it's considered standard practice. As if a giant dragon trying to bite your head off wasn't enough, they have to worry about Shadowbound Darters and trained spiders while fighting Nidhogg. Aspidochelone isn't as much of a threat as the incoming train of 5+ Perytons being dumped on your party.

While we may have our disagreements on how other LSes operate, I feel that most - if not all - LSes on Bismarck at least have a base level of respect for each other. BlueSteel holding Kirin for AD is a prime example. By all rights, they could've said, "hey, free set of seals," and killed it themselves. Yet they held it, let AD recover, and transferred it back. (Some of these newer LSes have me concerned, but that's another story...)

At the same time, I find it very disturbing the gap between those in HNM and those that aren't. I see an awful lot of "people in HNM are stuck up elitists" type comments and to the same degree, I see those in HNMs looking down on those who do not or cannot (yet) participate in HNM. The way I've always seen it, those lower levels are what we all came from, and the higher levels are what we all aspired to be. I don't expect people to stop feeling this way, but I hope that somebody can at least give me some insight into why, because I honestly don't understand it.

Some of the concerns between social LSs and HNM LSs is that a lot of people leave normal LSs and join HNM LSs. Some of those who leave don't leave on the best of terms. It's pretty sad to have people you've been chatting with in your LS to leave suddenly, but understandable too.

Not everyone understands that though, and thinks someone leaving an LS for a HNM LS is a sort of betrayal. This could leave some of the people in the normal LS with generally bad feelings about HNM LSs in general.

I personally don't like the idea of HNM LSs at all. There shouldn't be a distinction between regular LSs and HNM LSs. An LS should be an LS. But that's just my thinking, and I can't honestly think up a different way to do things.

Are you kidding me? People don't start threads to complain about entire social LSes, they start threads to complain and/or smear entire HNM LSes. If you think that isn't happening on a regular basis you aren't reading the boards very much. If it wasn't happening so often here, do you think people would have been pulling up chairs to watch the flamewar in the last thread that got started? Don't delude yourself, man. There's drama everywhere, for sure, but HNM drama is in a class of its own.


edit: vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv what Zill said. It's on a bigger scale with higher stakes, so it's more "dramatic," I guess.

Edited, Sat Feb 19 22:44:56 2005 by Byaina

The types of people that end up starting crusades against large linkshells are typically the types of people who only tried to join the linkshell for greedy purposes, either drops, recognition, money, etc, and somewhere in the grand scheme of things, they didn't get what they wanted.

If the screening processes of larger linkshells work, then I have no problem seeing disgruntled players rant themselves into a corner on these forums, because it means that the larger linkshells are keeping their standards high and not just letting every idiot join.

It is a pity though that these boards suffer and that the people who read them day in and day out have to put up with it. But I wouldn't go so far as to say this is HNMLS drama, since it is typically caused by those people who aren't even in HNMLSs.

I draw on this assumption mainly from the statements of a few HNM LSes themselves. I can recall the last time an HNMLS vs. HNMLS issue popped up (they will remain unnamed, but you know who I mean), and most involved posters held that view; that like some sort of elite corps, they ought to hold themselves to a higher behavioral standard than the average guy shouting out his arguments in the Dunes.
It might not mean you're more mature, but since reputation is so important to these linkshells, I suppose you probably ought to be.



Your LS singled itself out, or at least one or two members of it took it upon themselves to do that. The entire Bad Players list was locked down because of the sh*tstorm that ensued when someone mentioned the Lunarians.
I don't plan on coming here, in fact I was going to leave the entire issue be after the Golden Bat post. Someone decided to start throwing weight around on the ratedown system, it's the only reason I felt need to further explain myself. I doubt I'll be back after replying to this.
I have since noticed just about everyone took a ratedown, so I'll rate everyone back up after I finish here.



When I have a problem with another player, I generally don't require a public forum in which to 'vent' it. I either ignore the player, or if the issue is just too hot to ignore, I fight it out with that player.
I don't ordain so high as to assume anyone cares about my drama; maybe this is just because I'm not in an HNM LS, and therefore lacking in the riveting celebrity status of being in one. But I doubt it.
The only expectations I hold as to how anyone should act, irregardless of the little colored dot next to their name, is based on their personal behavior, and yes, level of maturity.
I'm supposed to tolerate immaturity in people that are in HNM linkshells just on virtue of that? Heh.
I'll do that when they start doing something for the good of all other players as a whole. But forming these elite little lunchroom cliques, and then holding themselves to standards of behaviour not applicable to the petty proletariat, is silly. Irregardless of the color of your dot.