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#27 Feb 16 2005 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
Tehehe flame war.
It all comes down to what you find the most fun.
Some people enjoy countless hours grinding, farming, nm hunting, and more grinding. While others enjoy fast paced leveling/combat systems, lots and lots of quests, pvp, etc. More power to you all, seriously.
It's all about having fun, I wasn't having fun in ffxi so I quit.... but on the same note, it doesn't sound like Freyir is having fun in WoW. I constantly joke with my LS about getting them to convert, but truthfully I would never convince them to do it, those who have left ffxi to join me have done so on their own free will... and those who have stayed ffxi have done so on their own free will.

This is a never ending battle, and the topic will *always* result in a flame war.
#28 Feb 16 2005 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Before I start I'd just like to clarify that my favorite MMO right now is FFXI. I like FFXI more than WoW and don't ever intend to switch to WoW.

That said, I think that WoW has some seriously incredible potential. People complain about the lack of things to do in WoW late-game, but FFXI was just like that when it came out over in Japan. NA got lucky and recieved the game with the massive Zilart expansion, but before that I'm not even sure (can't confirm this) that FFXI had chocobos. The max level was 50, etc etc.

Freyir wrote:
- NMs ? Spawn rate = 5 mins ... Cool ! Drop rate = about 1% ... *bam*
- No farming. Yes, negative point. No farming because you can't sell these damn "rare" items per AH or Trade. So you must obtain you friggin' Agi+6 dagger by killing this NM that drops it 1/1000 time ... You don't spent 30 hours farming gils to buy your item, you spent 30 hours camping the NM to get it.


This is true and not true. There are NMs in WoW, and they do have very low drop rates. However, every single mob in the game has a chance, albeit a low one, to drop really good items. In FFXI you'll never see a clipper drop, say, a pair of Mage's Sandels for your level 20 mage character.

In WoW however, all mobs everywhere can generally drop items for their level class. The drop rates are extremely low, but if you're killing the same mob 100s and 100s of times over and over for xp then chances are you'll get one. Now, you may get unlucky and the monster may drop something awesome for your level, but useless for your class. That just means cash money for you. This system has flaws yet, but I can see incredible potential behind it since it's already a good system. Remember that WoW is brand new and has a lot of time ahead of it.


Freyir wrote:
- ALT+TAB ? Non-secured executable ? Meh. In 2 months everyone will hack.


Maybe. Maybe not. It's impossible to say what Blizzard may have put in as secruity.


Freyir wrote:
- A party ? What's this ? 6 peoples running around, slapping random mobs ? Pff ...


This is not so different from what we do in FFXI. The only real difference is that we don't run around slapping random mobs, rather we sit around and slap the same 1 or 2 mobs over and over again. Which situtation is preferable depends on the person. I think I prefer sitting around myself, as a mage.

Something extremely awesome about WoW that I was personally incredibly impressed with is the fact they've got special dungeons that are for YOU and YOUR party ONLY. You enter the portal and it generates an area where you and whoever you've gone with are completely alone to level up or treasure hunt as you want. No incredibly crowded beaches at Valkrum. No running to get the claim on that mandy.

This system agian has some flaws to it, but the potential behind it is staggering.


I haven't addressed everything you've said Freyir because a lot of it is true. WoW is still a brand new MMO and needs a ton of work. Then again, so did FFXI (Still does, as a matter of fact. The curse of all MMOs.) when it first started off. However, I'm extremely impressed with what they've done in WoW and look foward to see how they improve.

You might ask why I'm looking foward to it if I don't ever intend to switch to WoW. Well, WoW has done a lot of things for the MMO genre I hope that other MMOs in the future will emulate. If another FF MMO comes out maybe 3 or 4 years down the line I may want to switch to it, and if WoW has had a positive influence on how the game plays then I'll be extremely happy.


As for why I like FFXI more...
- FFXI is the most beautiful MMO I've ever seen, visually and muscially. Hands-down. Character models, armor models, cities, it's all stunning. WoW is gorgeous, but in a much different way than FFXI and I personally am not half as impressed.

- The whole Alliance/Horde war in WoW is incredibly stupid to me. It'll only foster idiotic hatred between people who play on either side, and Lord knows we've already got enough idiotic hatred in MMOs. It's also painfully limiting. I don't really like any of the races in the Horde, but prefer the Horde over the Alliance any day of the week. This is the main absolute reason I'll never play WoW. Such a horrible system, in my mind.

- I know more guys in FFXI. My real-life friends, my in-game friends are all around me in FFXI. I've got some awesome real-life friends in WoW, but no in-game friends. It would suck to leave my in-game friends behind and rarely if ever see them again. :(
#29 Feb 16 2005 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
Yurikai wrote:
I'd have to totally agree with you on that. FFXI's community is 100x better than WoW, a lot of my friends from FFXI are playing WoW with me ~_^ so it all worked out in the end.



Yes FFXI's community rocks now that asshats like you are off playing WoW ^.^

So...you were on Ramuh but quit and now play WoW but are now perusing the FFXI Bismarck Server board? Go back to WoW fanboy. I see a slightly biased opinion in the OP but he still pointed out several features of WoW he likes.

Then again I also agree with Varcore that a topic like this will alway start a flame war, I just can't believe how far you came to get into a fight. Leave our server forum, you don't belong here.
#30 Feb 16 2005 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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NA got lucky and recieved the game with the massive Zilart expansion, but before that I'm not even sure (can't confirm this) that FFXI had chocobos.

Chocobo music was part of the Zilart OST, so I'd venture you're correct.
#31 Feb 16 2005 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Awias wrote:
Chocobo music was part of the Zilart OST, so I'd venture you're correct.


That's what tipped me off about the chocos as well. But they may also have been implemented in a patch before Zilart but after the official FFXI OST was released.
#32 Feb 16 2005 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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That's what tipped me off about the chocos as well. But they may also have been implemented in a patch before Zilart but after the official FFXI OST was released.

Yea that's possible. Best solution is to check the book that came with the game. It mentions things like new areas and new jobs...perhaps it mentions new means of travel as well?
#33 Feb 16 2005 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Hehe, I haven't used that book in so long I'm not even sure where it is anymore.

I'll go searching around on teh intraweb for info though, it's sparked my interest now.
#34 Feb 16 2005 at 4:07 PM Rating: Good
Well I was part of the NA beta test but I'm not sure if we were testing Zilart or not. I remember that anyone who made it to at least level 40 (I believe) was allowed to participate in the zilart part of the expansion however I never made it past 25 in the beta (started late) and therefore didn't test that. But I did get my Choco license in beta. Check out this pic:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/taruinertia/Syn031014202234a.jpg

(Courtesy of Synapsis) Yes that is a pic of chocobo's running around inside Garlaige.

Edit: Seems the piccy isn't working but I swear it happened :)

Edited, Wed Feb 16 16:10:15 2005 by Wintaru
#35 Feb 16 2005 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Wish they'd have kept it at the 40 cap. I've been dieing to see the first few Zilart cutscenes forever. ><
#36 Feb 16 2005 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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ZM’s posed as no challenge =\ I tanked most the fights besides the shadow in ZM5 and ZM8. I was able to tank the avatars (besides Fenrir) with absolutely no problem.


Tanked as a 72 SAM? Looks like someone else is smoking the crack. You also believe you have experienced everything "Endgame has to offer"? Highly doubtful.

You sound just like those e-wangers.Always trying to one-up the last guy. If so and so killed the NM at 70, you killed it at 69..If he bought the Katana for 1Mil..you got it for 500K. Your posts do make you sound elitist.

At its current state, you could play this game for another year and still not experience all it has to offer. Wheres your AF2? Wheres your Relic? Better yet..wheres your host of good friends to back up your statements and the quality of character you are?

The point of my post is..IMO, your all about lip service and you seem to be putting yourself above everyone..yea 13 was a tough age to get through.




Edited, Wed Feb 16 16:51:24 2005 by Krackhead
#37 Feb 16 2005 at 7:43 PM Rating: Default
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Tonberry’s were tanked at 65, the rest of were tanked between 67-68. I’ve tanked the avatars (besides Fenrir) at 70.

I wouldn’t be able to stand playing this game for another year -_- HNM + God’s = boring, dynamis was pretty fun, besides the mass exp loss and not seeing a single piece of SAM AF2 drop.

About the HNMLS thing, I find it kind of sad how a lot of the people who joined the HNMLS’s were complaining about gil and considering quitting because they couldn’t get ahead of the game. I truly don’t believe most the people in HNMLS’s deserve the gil they have (just my opinion)

Yeah, as I said… I’m sorry for coming off as elitist. I enjoyed FFXI, and tons of people were talking crap about it before I even bought a copy, if I took all their words into account I wouldn’t have picked up FFXI, I wouldn’t have met so many people that I enjoy spending 5+ hours with everyday or second day.
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#38 Feb 16 2005 at 9:42 PM Rating: Decent
I play both games, and enjoys both. They have their good points and bad points, but I could't say one is better than the other. While they're both MMORPGs, to me comparing them is like comparing apples with oranges to see which one taste better. They're both fruits but aren't the same thing.
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