I leveled NIN 2 months ago, and I disliked it because i thought the shehei was too much money to be spending in a dunes party (4-5k a stack). Now I'm pretty close to leveling my WAR sub, and I looked at Shehei, and it's up to 10k. Why is this? Is it the ingrediance? or are the woodworkers getting greedy???
Anyways, would it e cheaper to ask a LS friend to craft it instead of buying from the AH? (Level 52 Woodworking).
Thanks for the help :P
Edited, Wed Feb 9 01:37:27 2005 by Teets
·Theme
- Forums
- FFXI Servers
- Bismarck
- Why is Shehei 10k?
Why is Shehei 10k?Follow
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?fitem=3170
You can start making these around lvl 25 woodworking.
The main reason that the price is so high is the bast parchment. The parchment is around lvl 52, and for that you need an elm log; these can only be logged in Ghelsba or Lufaise Meadows. Current AH price for the log is 10k, and probably higher at this writing.
Straight bast parchment is 13k a stack, which will yield 2 full stacks of shihei with no breaks. Add in the cost of black ink (I'm not sure how much it is, I make my own by fishing the Nebonimites), and wind crystals, and it's probably about break-even by charging 8k a stack.
The price has been too high though, good for the woodworkers, but I agree that it's larceny for Ninjas, who can't actually level their jobs without Shihei. Not to mention the myriad of jobs that have a reason to sub NIN, like Rangers and Warriors.
I would recommend, if you plan on taking NIN very far, to go to Sandy, buy some crystals and PL woodworking. If you camp out in the guild, you can usually get to shihei level with about 50k of capital, and you'll save that much over the long run making your own, if you're clever about where you get your materials.
The main reason that the price is so high is the bast parchment. The parchment is around lvl 52, and for that you need an elm log; these can only be logged in Ghelsba or Lufaise Meadows. Current AH price for the log is 10k, and probably higher at this writing.
Straight bast parchment is 13k a stack, which will yield 2 full stacks of shihei with no breaks. Add in the cost of black ink (I'm not sure how much it is, I make my own by fishing the Nebonimites), and wind crystals, and it's probably about break-even by charging 8k a stack.
The price has been too high though, good for the woodworkers, but I agree that it's larceny for Ninjas, who can't actually level their jobs without Shihei. Not to mention the myriad of jobs that have a reason to sub NIN, like Rangers and Warriors.
I would recommend, if you plan on taking NIN very far, to go to Sandy, buy some crystals and PL woodworking. If you camp out in the guild, you can usually get to shihei level with about 50k of capital, and you'll save that much over the long run making your own, if you're clever about where you get your materials.
One reason is that SE has gimped logging/fishing/harvesting/minining bots. The pop points no longer appear in the same spots. People ***** about the bots, but now there is less supply for crafters. Less supply for the same demand equals price increase. If you really want to offset the price, grab a hatched and go logging.
Having my woodworking at 30 for the exact reason of leveling ninja to sub under my ranger, I know what I believe to be the problem with Shihei. Believe it or not it costs more to buy the materials to make Shehei than it does to buy a stack. I offered to make some for Sioux once, but after looking at the materials and finding that you cannot farm Bast Parchment...well, like I said. Sucks doesn't it? Actually has me wanting to level Thief again for subbing under my ranger...
I just want to add my 2gilz since I just got to 30 woody.
I took about 50-60k, and PL woodworking in a couple days.
Making shihei is what brought me too my knees. When I was buying the ingredients, it was 9k for a stack of black ink, and 15k for a stack of Bast Parchment (not to mention the crystals I had to buy)...if I sold Shihei on the AH for market value, I made about 1k for every 99 I synthed, if I had no breaks.
And as was mentioned before, the nerfing of mining/logging spots really puts the bind on crafters.
I believe that leveling a craft is a money loser. If you understand that you won't make any gil until you making HQ synths of common items, then you are going to lose money. I think that "first time" crafters have a hand in this as well.
"Wow, I can make Shihei! I can sell those for 10k a stack! w00t!"...the fear of losing money on a synth is greater then keeping the market reasonable.
I took about 50-60k, and PL woodworking in a couple days.
Making shihei is what brought me too my knees. When I was buying the ingredients, it was 9k for a stack of black ink, and 15k for a stack of Bast Parchment (not to mention the crystals I had to buy)...if I sold Shihei on the AH for market value, I made about 1k for every 99 I synthed, if I had no breaks.
And as was mentioned before, the nerfing of mining/logging spots really puts the bind on crafters.
I believe that leveling a craft is a money loser. If you understand that you won't make any gil until you making HQ synths of common items, then you are going to lose money. I think that "first time" crafters have a hand in this as well.
"Wow, I can make Shihei! I can sell those for 10k a stack! w00t!"...the fear of losing money on a synth is greater then keeping the market reasonable.
In response to the OP:
Bast Parchment x 12:
Lightening Crystal x 1: 120g
Elm Log x 1: 8500g
Moko Grass x 1: basically free
Distilled Water x 1: basically free
8620g
Black Ink x 12:
Dark Crystal x 6 = 1500g
Nebomite x 6 = 6500g
Windurstain Tea Leaves x 12 = 1000g
9000g
Shihei (4 stacks):
Wind Crystal x 12: 2500
Bast Parchment x 24: 17240
Black Ink x 12: 9000
28740g
28740 / 4 = 7185 gil a stack
-------------------
I think the numbers I used were fairly conservative, and one can see how it can easily cost almost 10k a stack to produce these. The reason is the parchment and the nebomite. The parcment is used in many recipies, so the demeand is hight. Hence, the price is high. The fish are not used in all that many other useful recipes, but they do take a fairly decent fishing skill to catch reliably and I've had some people tell me that you can pretty much give up making money off of them without a Lu Shang's (a 3-4 million gil investment). If the nebomite didn't sell for what they did, then the fishermen would just go to giant squid or moat carp and there would be no black ink, and no Shihei at all.
In the past few weeks, the demand for the items seems to have gone up. I'm not sure exactly why that has happened, but I would imagine that it is just the server maturing and more people coming into somewhat higher crafting skill levels.
Bast Parchment x 12:
Lightening Crystal x 1: 120g
Elm Log x 1: 8500g
Moko Grass x 1: basically free
Distilled Water x 1: basically free
8620g
Black Ink x 12:
Dark Crystal x 6 = 1500g
Nebomite x 6 = 6500g
Windurstain Tea Leaves x 12 = 1000g
9000g
Shihei (4 stacks):
Wind Crystal x 12: 2500
Bast Parchment x 24: 17240
Black Ink x 12: 9000
28740g
28740 / 4 = 7185 gil a stack
-------------------
I think the numbers I used were fairly conservative, and one can see how it can easily cost almost 10k a stack to produce these. The reason is the parchment and the nebomite. The parcment is used in many recipies, so the demeand is hight. Hence, the price is high. The fish are not used in all that many other useful recipes, but they do take a fairly decent fishing skill to catch reliably and I've had some people tell me that you can pretty much give up making money off of them without a Lu Shang's (a 3-4 million gil investment). If the nebomite didn't sell for what they did, then the fishermen would just go to giant squid or moat carp and there would be no black ink, and no Shihei at all.
In the past few weeks, the demand for the items seems to have gone up. I'm not sure exactly why that has happened, but I would imagine that it is just the server maturing and more people coming into somewhat higher crafting skill levels.
Quote:
I've had some people tell me that you can pretty much give up making money off of them without a Lu Shang's (a 3-4 million gil investment).
I've heard this too, but luckily (in my experience) they're wrong ;)
Using a Mithran rod and crayfish paste, I can usually get 6-7 of these in one boat trip. That isn't great, but then my fishing skill is only 27 right now. I imagine with fishing skill in the 40's and 50's, it would be possible to get a stack in a single trip.
Quick change to Idwa's post - I synth this stuff all the time for my use, ls members, and to sell. Prices go through the same phases lately and its predominately at the control of those fishing and loggers. A stack of nebimonites are now 19-20k a stack (nope, im not gonna buy it - not even with my HQs) and elm logs are up to 10k+ again. Shihei prices were coming down, they were down to 6.8-7.5k again last week, but now they are back up. Next time prices are falling again buy up a ton and send them to a mule if you cant HQ these yourself.
Like Sioux said, it's entirely possible to make money off of nebimonites without a Lu Shang's rod. I skilled up on them from about 19-28 (probably starting a bit early) using crayfish paste on the ferry, and used the money to buy my early-30s RDM spells.
I think the problem with nebimonites is just that they're an absolute pain to fish up as compared to some other fish, and, as far as gil goes, probably won't make as much gil for a lvl 25 fishertypeperson as moat carp or some other fish. As far as I know, the only places you can catch nebs are SSG and the ferry. I've heard the magical level that you won't get aggro in SSG is 59, which makes it an impractical fishing spot for a lot of people. With the ferry, you run the risk of the sea horror, pirates, and numerous other mobs that will kill you, which makes keeping sneak on almost a necessity. Again, making it impractical for anyone without a leveled RDM or WHM job. And that's not mentioning the annoying stops that the ferry captain feels he needs to make.
Another reason you might not see as many nebimonites for sale is just that, in my experience, most people don't like fishing. Unlike the other crafts, you can't take 500k gil into the guild and powerlevel it. It takes a lot of time and patience.
A more cynical view might be that you can't use a fishing bot in either of these places, which keeps the supply lower than, say, moat carp.
I think the problem with nebimonites is just that they're an absolute pain to fish up as compared to some other fish, and, as far as gil goes, probably won't make as much gil for a lvl 25 fishertypeperson as moat carp or some other fish. As far as I know, the only places you can catch nebs are SSG and the ferry. I've heard the magical level that you won't get aggro in SSG is 59, which makes it an impractical fishing spot for a lot of people. With the ferry, you run the risk of the sea horror, pirates, and numerous other mobs that will kill you, which makes keeping sneak on almost a necessity. Again, making it impractical for anyone without a leveled RDM or WHM job. And that's not mentioning the annoying stops that the ferry captain feels he needs to make.
Another reason you might not see as many nebimonites for sale is just that, in my experience, most people don't like fishing. Unlike the other crafts, you can't take 500k gil into the guild and powerlevel it. It takes a lot of time and patience.
A more cynical view might be that you can't use a fishing bot in either of these places, which keeps the supply lower than, say, moat carp.
Well, at a 48 fishing, I'd say 6-7 is a great number, barring a full/new moon I hardly ever see past 10 a trip. Now, this could just be the result of alot of bad luck, but, nebs just suck, as does the Ferry. Bottom line is that even 20 more lvling in fishing I still don't see double your catch rate on them.
I don't know for sure because I haven't tried fishing there yet, but my impression is that the bite rate for nebimonites is much better in SSG than it is on the ferry.
Of course...god knows what this new fishing system will do.
Of course...god knows what this new fishing system will do.
A few weeks ago, a LS member asked if I could make shihei cheaper then AH. Well, I got 70 Woodworking, so the answer is yes, but only because of HQs:
Material cost for 4 stacks was 36k, shihei sold for 8k, so 32k.
With HQs on a bad HQ day, I got 5 stacks, thus equalling 40k.
Shihei and other ninjitsu tools would be much cheaper if there were cheap desynths available to obtain the bast parchment.
Material cost for 4 stacks was 36k, shihei sold for 8k, so 32k.
With HQs on a bad HQ day, I got 5 stacks, thus equalling 40k.
Shihei and other ninjitsu tools would be much cheaper if there were cheap desynths available to obtain the bast parchment.
This is where I usually get my bast parchments.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/bestiary.html?fmob=2178
It's not that much cheaper, about 1078 if I remember right, apiece. But it saves a little bit, and a little bit adds up over time.
The price is usually pretty steady too, so you don't have the psycho AH prices to deal with.
Edited, Fri Feb 11 11:36:50 2005 by Sioux
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/bestiary.html?fmob=2178
It's not that much cheaper, about 1078 if I remember right, apiece. But it saves a little bit, and a little bit adds up over time.
The price is usually pretty steady too, so you don't have the psycho AH prices to deal with.
Edited, Fri Feb 11 11:36:50 2005 by Sioux
Where is shehei costing 10k? I just bought a stack for 8.7k. Stuff like that you can't let Jueno be your only place of making purchases. Woodworking items the first place I look is Sandy. Why? Because the guild is there of course. Jueno is almost always going to have higher prices on items like this. And in the same sense lower level items are(most of the time) going to be cheaper there. You just got to shop around. You wouldn't buy a car at the first dealership would you?
Shihei aren't a good way to skill up, and high level tradeskillers will simply use mules to sell their stuff at best prices/sell-through time. Sure, you can find bargains in others towns, but Jeuno is the place where black ink, bast parchment and shihei tend to gather.
Recent Visitors: 81
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (81)
- Forums
- FFXI Servers
- Bismarck
- Why is Shehei 10k?
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC