white mage's raise the priceFollow

I would not rate you down, and I would be mad had anyone done so especially for someone only trying to defend their point, but it is still not a feasible to assume that a whm can make 40k/hr doing tele's. It does not add up. Why i keep coming back to this? Because if all whm we're able to make 40k/hr doing teleports, there would be no reason to argue at the possibility of increasing teleport prices. Making 40k hour is nothing to spit at. But I would say at best a WHM can make about 1/2 that.

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Do you realize if you raise the price you will not make a DAMN thing?
Oh sure you might 5k here and 5k from somewhere else BUT a lot of people will just choco there because its cheaper or have another whm tele them for free or for the norm rate. So go ahead raise the price for yourself but its the basic principle of supply and demand that will hit you hard.

Edit: Just read Large's statement ^^

Edited, Tue Feb 8 13:11:26 2005 by Magvius[/quote]

The numbers i listed were just randomly pulled out of... I understand the lower 3 ports 1k might be alot. Look at the alternative to teleport-vhazl if all whm charged ~5k. If your not rank 5; Choco from upper jeuno as it is always under 1k. Ride throught 5 zones, hop off you choco walk throught 2 zones and your there. Thats over 30 min of travel time. At the going 50k/hr you just cost yourself 20k. And look at why ppl are going to these places. Not many ppl go to vhazl to lvl. Do you think ppl would be willing to help you get your rank 2 done if you said they had to wait 30 min for you to walk there bc you cant spend 5k. I have helped out with G2 parties that have fallen apart bc some of the members could not port to vhazl.

And i would like to thank all the ppl that defended the fact that this has nothing to do with cure's and raise. No whm sit's in a party and keeps a tally of how many cure's they have cast and submits a bill to the pld at the end. It has nothing to do with this thread.

And at 63 i have learned other ways to make gil. But like i said there are now many times when groups of ppl have been looking for a port in jeuno and no whm is around.

Yikes! I better start stocking up on my Teleport rings. ><

I want a Cookie but not your Cookie^^(LS inside joke >.>)

Well Port Whoring as i call it Costs me nothing but time and i did/do it at my descression. Am I trying to make the gil I spent on them back? Sure, oh wait i did that when i poped the scroll and learned it since i wasn't a Lazy @$$, i quested them all.

Should Ports be worth more than 500G? no, why? smiple porting people at 500G will net you 15k~ an hour with only singles, 50k+ if you do a lot of multiple people, all this is assuming there is the demand for it in the first place and you have 1-2 others to compete with if that. Now how much can a WHM/THF at 36 make an hour? well the fastest/safest method is farm bees in Giddiues since the drop rate is nice. that will net you 15-25k with Chips and Honey.
Hey look! that looks like what you can make with porting average if not more O.O
As to 70+ WHMs who port for gil well why should i get a poo that they can make a lot more gil since they can farm harder mobs they chose to port not me. They are competing with any whm lvl 36+ at this Port Whoring so why should they be so special that i should pay Mr 70WHM more gil than a 36?

Now when people feel like paying more cuz it takes me 1-2sec to invite them and be rdy to port them hey i'm not gonna say no to a tip >.> but i don't expect it from anyone ever. 500 or 1k i don't care when i Port ***** i based it all on facts of sorts that i can risk making 15k~ porting an hour or Farming Bees to make the 15k~

And my Favorite trying to compare Teleport-XXXXXX to Raise 3 you know what i use my ports for me too >.> i however can never ever cast Raise 3 on my self i mean i as a WHM will never in any way Directly Benifit from Raise 3.

To those of you shouting for ports in jeuno you ever see me around not doing anything or bazaaring(not normally there) i will always only charge 500 gil for all teleports other than Vhazel(1k) once i get it since these are the prices i started at and i have been used to paying. And the teleport Scrolls have always been costly but guess what there's a reason you can only get them once as a give character.

I am tired of this Inflation BullShet. No matter what it is. There is no Point the Shops don't raise their prices past a given point why should you?

This whole thread is very interesting, granted it occasionally trounces on a previous post, it still manages to stay relatively on issue. It also includes lots name calling between pots and kettles, which is odd to say the least...

I have seen some WHMs with higher prices in Jeuno. I am certain that these increases, which are occasional, do not threaten anyone. As for farming, WHMs tend not to do so well in the farming area, or BCNMs for that matter. Not saying we can't perform well in them, but frankly I can't even get my LS to let me come along with them on a BCNM run. They always want... RNGs or RNGs... At the very least you can hope that in paying a higher price that will help that WHM buy the spells they need to be useful or further their crafting. If WHMs are still porting to make their money, let them, eventually they'll try something else, I know I did.

Damn.. I'm a WHM, and the more I type the more I keep thinking of why I want the prices to remain the same... Still... I DID just pay 2.4 million for a Raise III scroll. And to prove how greed works, the person I ended up buying it from was someone I occasionally party with, who REFUSED to sell it to me for 2.1 million gil. Thanks friend. I'll keep that in mind.

Now, having said that, I can assure you I hate paying high choco costs, and one, including myself, would have to say, "Why would I want to pay a high teleport cost if I'm only going to have to pay a high choco cost right after to get where I'm going anyway?"

Higher prices are kinda bad. Because once anything gets to the point its crazy high, everything else starts following suit.

Does anyone remember when things like earth crystal stacks were 300 gil or chocobos at the telepoints on weekends were only 500 gil? I long for those days.

Oh and, hey Awias, no Fenrir yet. I'm hoping attempt number 15, whenever that is, will get me my puppy.

wow zander, you get all excited over some post. kinda too excited.

why are you so hyper and annoyed zander?

you got to lay off the drugs man.

we all love you zander and your drug problem is hurting us too.

please man, for us... get some help.

we love you zander..

please man. check into a rehab for us if not for yourself.

we are all pulling for you man. you can do it.

we still love you zander.

A little Inflation? When i first priced Raise 3 it was 200k and steady at that, then within a Few weeks it goes to 2.5mil where's the little? I also know how Inflation and the supply and Demand Economic Theories work and guess what if the crap that has been happening here happened in real life we would be royally screwed.
Real life example: we take a car at 20k, take away all other alternatives and then start charging 250k is that a little inflation?

You could say its cuase of the AH charges but well that would explain only a 10% increase not the average 50-1000% increases that has been going on.
Another example where the supply and demand has always been heavy for the most part:
Silver Ingot stacks used to sell for 25k and ran 20-22k to make. And now they are 35-40k and still cost 20k-22k to make(25k if you are real lazy). On Desynths it will run 16-18k to make a stacks. So is that fair? This is the exact reason every once in a while i will royally mess up the "Small Inflation" as you put it. i don't see how becuase they make the AH charges to include a percentage of what you want to sell it for merits a 80-100% increase?
Serket Ring used to cost 800k-1mil and now its at 2.5-3mil. Is it cuz the supply had decreased? No that's always been a 24hour pop. Is it cuz the Demand Has Incressed? No the Demand has always been high.

You should really take a look at wtf you are calling a "Small Inflation" then look at why and who's doing it and you will get a better understanding as to why I called it "Inflation BullShet".


And sure offering Raise 3 could get you a few more invites to certain things but you will still get picked up eventually sure the XP is a noticeable difference but its not a huge difference.

I'm not going to pretend that I read all these posts. Upon scrolling down they started to look very flame-war-ish.

So, to the OP, if you want more money for your teleports, you only need to find people that are willing to pay those prices. Most people won't be willing to pay, and others will harass you for even shouting about it.

But if you just sit around fishing or something in a low-teleport-traffic area, people who need teles will often shout and raise the price themselves. If you want to charge more, wait until you see one of these people shout. There *is* demand for high priced teleports in some instances, but I don't think you'll have much luck shouting in Lower J.

It just boils down to supply and demand. Go to a low supply area and you may be able to charge more. But, since it's a touchy subject, I'd suggest not shouting about charging more. Just send /tells to people who are already willing to pay more.

I don't think I've ever needed to teleport for money. If you are short on money I suggest starting a noob job and getting it to level 10 or so. You'll make more money off random crap and crystals (plus beastman seals) than you'll make being a tele-taxi, and it's not quite as mind numbing.

Interesting point. I still do believe we have inflation, however, or at least potentially could. Certain actions add gil to the economy (quests, selling drops to vendors, rank missions), and others take it out (AH tax, buying from vendors, chocobos). The rusty caps were "nerfed", I think, because they were adding gil faster than they were intended to. The AH tax was added, I think, in order to take more gil out of the economy. The supply may be technically unlimited by amount (assuming we can find the resources, perhaps by in the far future going into outer space for them, we can produce a practically infinite number of cars), but there are limits placed in the time it takes to get items and gil (we can only produce so many cars given the labor required). The Emperor only drops hairpins at a certain rate - if it was effectively (instead of actually) an unlimited supply, they'd be worthless, because everyone could just grab one.

As for monopolies, I think thats a great point. Its one of my arguments against the gilsellers (Tom's, etc.) as they tend to be the ones who are practically able to form monopolies. The game does have some checks on monopolies, such as, you can only play one character at a time, and have a life (presumably) to deal with, and so your character will be on only a limited amount of time and can't form a monopoly on most items. And anyway, even if you were on all the time, you'd want to do other things as well. Even if you had a temporary monopoly, you'd only keep it up for a limited amount of time, most likely. The gilsellers who are always on get around this restriciton. This also leads to what RMT does to the rate at which gil can be obtained and exchanged, which will in turn affect inflation.

I can't believe how much Dumb is in this thread (kidding). ^_^

While i agree with some of the opinions stated here and disagree with others I thought I would offer mine (because i know just how much I don't matter). White Mage is the job that all the other jobs want to see leveled and want to party with. Starting at level 56 and again with R3, (especially R3) White Mages become everyone's friend. Like Bard (or maybe unlike bard because Bard's get cyclone), White mages can't really farm effectively as even at level 70 (though i didn't have hexa strike), I was getting owned by too weak LD LE mobs in some zones (especially Lufaise Meadows/Misereaux Coast).

From level 36-50 I teletaxi'd. People say, why in gods name would I charge for the use of a spell? Teleports are all about saving time and we're donating our time to you to teleport you where you need to go for a nominal fee (because we could be out at a BCNM or KS battle). In fact, most of the important White Magery outside of healing consists of time saves (yet we do not charge for giving you back 75% of your xp when you die or 95% when we can afford R3).

If you have all the time in the world, then forget white mages. If you'd like to save some time and busy work, pay a white mage to teleport you somewhere and give them a smile! You'll need them later. I don't charge for teleporting anymore but I also ignore most teleport requests so they'll find someone lower than me who could probably use the money.

When the BLM dies, the mob dies more slowly and deals more damage to the tank, the WHM soon runs out of MP, and people run. When the WHM dies, the RDM steps in and takes over seamlessly.

XD Sorry, had to joke a little.

Or a properly equipped Red Mage with Black Mage sub could step in for the black mage. Happened in a party I had in Kazham a few nights ago. No white or black mages around, so we took three red mages with various subs (white, black, and warrior) and no deaths were suffered on our end. So hey, red mages can do anything their put their minds to.