white mage's raise the priceFollow

Aww....isn't that special...want a cookie?


I won't have to do one Tele to make my gil back, I actually did the quest...maybe others should too.


Are WHM's there to be your taxi? Should all WHMs just *jump* at your becon? Excuse me Mr. "I should have a WHM ready for whenever I need a tele."

Kettle: Hello pot, you are also black.

I think someone totally disregarded the purpose of that statement I was quoted on. Allow me to elaborate just a tad more.

The TOPIC of the thread is "White Mage's Raise The Price"
MY comment was that I OFFERED 10k for a person to teleport me.
It was NOT whm is Zander's Taxi.
IT WAS a comment on how I am more than willing to pay more for a teleport.

As a side note I do not expect a whm to be my taxi but you better believe that if I run into lower jeuno and shout I'm paying 20k for a telemetowhereeverIwant someone will respond in a manner of seconds.

Pot: Why yes kettle I am black, but you need glasses >;p

I see someone camped the thread... shameless rate up to all of you.

Edited, Tue Feb 8 12:27:59 2005 by zandertheredmage

That's very nice of you, but not correct. MP does cost you time to recover. 14 gil/sec, if we use the 50k/hr rate. Its an opportunity cost, which is defined as the most valuable foregone alternative. You could cast refresh and rest the mp back, or cast refresh twice and wait for your mp to recover, or you could spend the time casting and recovering farming, making 14 gil/sec. It does cost you something to cast. I'm not saying you should charge for that, I'm saying the cost is real.



You're confusing two different issues - inflation stems from there being more money in the economy than there used to be, and so every piece of money is then worth less. If 200 gil 6 months ago is equivalent to 500 gil today, and Raise III had gone up from 20k to 50k, then it didn't increase in price, really, and most likely the supply and demand curves didn't change.

However, I'd say we can surmise demand for Raise III has risen BECAUSE the price went up. Supply has increased, because more linkshells can pop Kirin, kill the Beastman gods, do high level BC's. However, the number of white mages above 70 has also risen. Thus, my guess is, based on the price increase, the demand curve for Raise III has shifted drastically in that time (towards higher prices), while the supply curve has shifted, but it hasn't shifted by much (towards lower prices).

In the case of teleports, its very difficult to tell how/if the supply and demand curves have shifted because of the pseduo-price cap on teleports. It may well be the case that in todays gil, teleports are cheaper because of increased supply and no/little change in demand, but they still should cost more in terms of amount of gil than they used to, because of inflation.

Service maybe but I would say more of a goodwill gesture than a service. This is not a run-of-the-mill every day thing. I'm sure most Red mages don't do this frequently anyway. You would only do this if you were running by someone and they happen to ask for it (and you had time of course). The same thing applies if a whm is not busy and someone happens to /tell them for a quick teleport. Most would agree to do it freely if it doesn't inconvinience them too much (imo).



oh come on. You can't tell me having offensive capabilities makes it just has hard for a blm to farm as a whm. They also have scyths now. This has made their lives much easier. I'm not saying its the easiest job to farm with but just looking at the obvious it's plain to see who would have the easier time to farm when comparing whm vs. blm. That lower defense is negligable in this instance.



I don't understand this restriction thing here? maybe I read it wrong. But the complaining to SE is counterproductive at best. It won't solve anything. This is why teleports are there. It's probably the answer they would give us anyway.



Now Its been a few years since I took ecomonics (basic economics btw and I hardly went to class since it was an elective and I absolutely hated it :P) but isn't supply/demand and inflation somewhat independant of each other? I know they don't fully rely on each other. Doesn't inflation have to do with the state of the economy (of course i apologize if I'm off in left field here). Anyway regardless if my previous statement is true at all, the reasoning behind an increase in teleport service fees is because a whm needs to keep up with the changing market. Same reason why someone will charge more for a farmed item. money. Everyone's been crying foul over the increase AH prices lately. Its no surprise everyone but whm would cry foul to increase teleport prices. But it happens anyway.

edit: if you want a better grasp on Economics, please read Velfire's post. He seems to have better knowledge behind this and presented a very good post.


Edited, Tue Feb 8 12:54:14 2005 by Vimien

Do you realize if you raise the price you will not make a DAMN thing?
Oh sure you might 5k here and 5k from somewhere else BUT a lot of people will just choco there because its cheaper or have another whm tele them for free or for the norm rate. So go ahead raise the price for yourself but its the basic principle of supply and demand that will hit you hard.

Edit: Just read Large's statement ^^

Edited, Tue Feb 8 13:11:26 2005 by Magvius

How many times have you paid less than 500 gil for a choco in jueno lately?

*Thinks quite a few need to re-read*


Trust me, SMNs don't have it all that great either (sure having a lil pet out fighting helps...though we go through our MP pretty quick.) Yes Carby mitts help, but I hit 63, at which Carby jumps 1 more MP. Apollo Staff {Can I have it?}

Prices increase as demand increases and supply decreases, blah blah blah we all know economics here, right? I've seen at times 3-4 WHMs shouting if people need teleports at one time, and then I've seen 5-6 people shouting for Teleports for a good half hour.

At any rate, again I don't care if people charge more for teleports (Having a few nice WHMs in the L/S helps >.<) Plus I don't think it's that big a deal if a WHM makes a living off of Teleporting people. I need to level my WHM and BLM so I can do that. Farming sometimes just flat out sucks, ya know?


Pick the right stables...I get it for under 500 almost every time. ;)

EDIT: I also truly agree with the price gouging of Raise III is absurd. I would love to bust my *** to 70+ with a few friends, start takin down that big dumb orc, and selling Raise III for a lot less than it's goin for. Raise III is one of the most important scrolls in this game. It's not like WHMs can farm like DRKs or SAMs or something.

Edited, Tue Feb 8 13:28:30 2005 by Awias

NO actually the Redapples are not there anymore. True the "new" ones are ie. they are just under different names. True there are gilsellers there logging but I can easily go there log for a few hours and make gil. It's not hard, its just seem people are lazy. I know because I go out there at least once a week. There, Carpenter's Landing, Burb. Penn or Junger. Or better yet, go mining. Basically, the point being that some White Mages give every else a bad name. It's lazy and lame to try to raise the price up on a tele when there are other ways to make gil. No wonder people think WHMs are being "assshats".

sorry for the hijack,

but i for one am rooting for you Awias as I'm sure most of the board is. You have amazing patience to keep going back time after time. I would have thrown my PS2 off the nearest bridge after the 8-9th time for sure. Let me know in advance the next time you give him a shot and i'll start a "GOOD LUCK AWIAS" tread for you :).

Anyway, back to subject at hand.

Again you missed the point, it's really not so much about making gil, it's about making it worth the whm's time to be there to port people. With the current economy ingame, 500 gil is not worth my time to sit Jeuno all day with my thumb up my a[b][/b]ss.

Yes, there are other ways to make gil in this game as a whm, but unfortunately for all the people that need the teleport, all of these methods take the whm far away from Jeuno, never to teleport again because, hey! I can make much better use of my time.

If this way of thinking makes me an "assshat" then so be it.

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Thats the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. What charge more for a spell that costs nothing? We are lucky that people even pay what they do for Teleports to begin with.
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Wow, I guess we are lucky we get paid, but, heh, not as lucky as the person who gets a port. So are you saying it's my duty as a whm to port people? I don't think so.
I never said it was a WHM duty. However, if the WHM is out there porting, choosing to do so let me add, then that is their problem. I am a WHM and I cease to complain about doing teles. The point being that people want this, its easy way to make gil, and WHMs are lucky to have the spell and have people who want pay them to use it.

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BLM charge 500 for a Warp2 and you do not see them griping saying they need more for it.
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Well yeah, think about it, they rarely have to do it more than twice in a row, and all the blm does is cast a spell. WHM's teleporting on the other hand have to teleport, zone, warp, zone, then rest or zone to mog house, then zone back out. It's just a tad bit more of a hassle don't ya think?

Yeah I think I do know this. But if you choose to do so, don't gripe about it. It comes with the tele-taxi job. If one is so lazy they can't walk their character into a mog house for 3 secs or heal ( spell costs like 75 mp+ 100 for warp= 175 mp) than don't choose to do the tele-taxi service at all. It's all about choice here people.

And about getting a Warp2, most BLMs don't charge at all for it. I have more that do not than those that do.

Again you missed the point, it's really not so much about making gil, it's about making it worth the whm's time to be there to port people. With the current economy ingame, 500 gil is not worth my time to sit Jeuno all day with my thumb up my ***.

Yes, there are other ways to make gil in this game as a whm, but unfortunately for all the people that need the teleport, all of these methods take the whm far away from Jeuno, never to teleport again because, hey! I can make much better use of my time.

If this way of thinking makes me an "assshat" then so be it.

Again, your missing the point. It's the White Mage's choice to sit there all day and tele. It's not the DRK, or RDM or NIN or whoever else is requesting the tele. It's the WHM who chooses to sit there with "their thumb up their *** in Jeuno" doing the teles to begin with. The only reason they do teles is because people want them to begin with. Like I have said 5 times before there are other ways, it's just whether or not the WHM chooses to do them is the problem. So they can complain all they want on these forums about how boring doing teles is, how much they hate it, how its not worth their time etc. etc. etc. Yet then they choose to go out and do it anyways, They know its boring and if they think its a time waste then DO NOT DO IT. But if you CHOOSE to sit there and do it, then don't gripe about it. You knew that before you started.

I am not saying this didn't happen to you but doing this easily is easily a lie. First, most people will NOT give you more than you asked for. I really highly denounce this statement. Second getting 12 full parties in an hour and a half requires you to get a full party every 7.5 minutes. That means, invite the people, wait for them to gather, teleport them to A B C..etc location, return and go to mog, and start all over again. Hardly plausible. Now lets say you get those 12 full parties done in the 1.5 hours as you said. Everyone has to pay you at LEAST 1k (12*5k=60k) for you to make the said amount. Look, you may get a few people giving u more money, but its not reasonable to think whm can rake in 40k/hr doing teleports. You may have had some lucky tips during that time span and may have accounted for the reason you made that much money but don't try to make people believe that making that much is 'easy' to do. Congrats on pulling that off but it isn't an easy thing to do, a rarety at best.

Like I said it's fairly easy to do. Because there are like maybe 3 WHMs doing teles at the same time as I. Take into account the number of people who want one ( there are usually about 5 or so who /sh for one about every 3-5 minutes). JP means you can get more if you happen to know Japanese or at least know enough to be able to see they want a teleport.
The whole point of the statement is to show that if a WHM wants to, they can make money off of teles. No of course not millions of gil but enough to pay for armor, some spells, weapons, and food. You can rate me down as much as you want, call me a liar, or be doubtful. That's your choice. But I do this at least twice a week so I know it is possible. And easy, I say, because all you have to do is sit there and than push a button to tele and warp.