white mage's raise the priceFollow

It seems that not many ppl sit in jeuno and teleport anymore. I can think of a few reasons for this. I think that the white mages on our server should unite and start charging more for the teleports. Lower 3 lets start charging 1k. Altep and yhort 2k. And the big money maker lets charge 5k for vhazl.

now this might seem wrong to all the ppl out there that have abbused our service but look at the alternative. I think ppl will pay if not let them walk.

Considering there are more white mages that play than come here, this won't catch on because while you're being a gouger and charging twice as much, your competition will be charging the regular fees. Who do you think people will choose? Besides people have already tried this before and it resulted in a flame war in lower jeuno.

And I for one will not participate in this either. Prices may have gone up, but I haven't needed to telewhore in about 4 to 5 months, and I've never needed telewhoring to make money. I have Erase, three elementals staves and the R.K aketon, among other rather pricey items (feel free to check my profile. i have full equipment for all the other jobs i have leveled to those respective points as well). I'm level 55 WHM and I only play about 20 hours a week, sometimes not even. So if *I'M* able to farm all that without the need to telewhore, then so are you especially if you're 63. All you need to do is find out what sells.

Besides, at that level, you should know better. If you made all your money by selling your services on the street, well, I'll leave the sexual economist jokes alone.

Raise the price?
Pfft that will solve nothing.
I for one would stop getting them and walking.

25K to bring a 5-person group to Vahzl? Must be nice. You would pulling down well over a million a day with those rates. And while that must seem like a thing of beauty to you, the gil is coming from our pockets. And (psst!) we know how much gil and MP it's costing you to cast the spell (zero and 75-100), and we know the spell is questable.

Truthfully, I think you have the right to be compensated for your time; I do not think you have the right to make a killing for a spell just because it's WHM only. Refresh is RDM only and I wouldn't ever ask a dime for it, even if a stranger begged it off me. Based on Vahzl, your rate is 50gil:1MP; if I Refreshed you 30 times in an XP party session, you'd be 60K in the hole... now pay up.

If I'm going to compensate you for your time, I'll think about the following. As a 42WHM, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you can farm 50K/hour. Given 3600 seconds in an hour, I'll say your time is worth 14 gil/sec. Given a 30 second cast-time, then that means I owe you 420 gil after a Teleport-Holla. Let's call the extra 80 gil a tip. If you're reading this and saying "But we don't cast non stop! You have to factor in the time that we sit there waiting for someone to call for a teleport!", then I will reply by saying no I do not have to factor that in. As far as I'm concerned I'm compensating you for the time I am taking away from you, which is 30 seconds.

See the only reason a white mage would raise the price was if they 1) were too lazy to farm for gil other ways and were simply using Teleports as their sole form of income or 2) they saw a huge amount of people shouting for teles and not getting taken where they want to go and therefore choose to be foolish and raise the price.

I would never consider raising the price, people spend enough gil on teleports every day anyway, why should you charge them even more? I mean 1k for a Teleport-Vhazl is a lot as it is. A white mage union, hey not a bad idea... but a union to raise teleport prices is ridiculous.


Yay, gotta love people rating me down! I appreciate it guys! >.>
Edited, Mon Feb 7 17:47:27 2005 by Yekan

Edited, Tue Feb 8 01:29:41 2005 by Yekan

well incase you didnt know..

when i get really bored.. i offer all the teleports that i can at level 36 whm for 450 gil...


so good luck jacking up the price...
because if i see people jacking it up.. i am just gonna start giving them away for free...


Thank you.. now go buy a raffle ticket for 5k.

Oyy, Shackleton, whatever you want to be called, welcome to the Bismarck board. Reason why I was a **** is because it seemed odd due to what I said in my first post in referance to the main "general" board. We've got enough people stirring up crap. So, since people have vouched that you're not some random schlock, but in fact, a player, cool. Welcome to Bismarck.

Hmm bit of a hijack, but logging in Ghelsba is a bit impossible atm. Hello Redapples!

/end hijack. Continue previously scheduled program.

People will hate me for saying this, but this concept is what runs any economy:

Supply and Demand.

If you are charging 1k for teles instead of 500, chances are there will be someone who is taking your customers by charging less than you, aka "undercutting". My philosophy is, it's your business, charge as much as you want. No one can tell you what to do, or how much to charge. Just know that you cannot expect the same demand for your teles compared to another WHM's.

On the other hand, the other day there were several people shouting for teles, me included. If ANY WHM advertised teles for 1k, I bet you there would be many takers. Supply and demand.

Yeah, unpopular opinion time.

The reason there are no teleports being offered in Jeuno is inflation. Prices have gone up, gil is worth less than it used to be, and so 500 gil today for Teleport-Mea is more like 200 gil six months ago (exact numbers more or less made up on the spot). Few white mages six months ago would have teleported for 200 each, and few now will do it for 500 each.

"The spell is free to cast" No, its not. Opportunity cost. It takes a White Mage's time. Time they're not farming/exp'ing/BC'ing/whatever.

"Lets pay them just for the time casting" Let's say they can farm 50k/hr. Thats a steady 14 gil/sec. Then, for the time they're CASTING, you owe them 14 gil/sec. For the time they're waiting for you, for the time they take to warp back, for the time zoning, for the time taken to get their mp back (nontrivial, if we're measuring in seconds, even if they MH zone), if they're *really* fast, thats 30 seconds. All of a sudden, you owe the whm 840 gil (number remembered from someone else's math), maybe plus a tip. And what if you make them wait 2 minutes while you get a signet and check AH? Another 1680 gil for that.

"Well, I'm going to charge for refresh" You're not hired by the party to refresh. You're benefitting from the experience they get, and they are benefitting equally. A White Mage doesn't inherently benefit from casting a teleport spell on a random person or party, while the random person or party does. You do benefit from casting refresh on a party member. Also, you don't offer a refreshing service where you do nothing but refresh. You could. Then maybe you could charge for refresh.

Personally, I'm willing to pay 1k for the standards, maybe more for the higher ones (5k for Vahzl does seem excessive, but i don't know the supply and demand curves). Why? Again, opportunity cost. I can spend 20 minutes waiting for a 500 gil port, or I can spend 5 minutes waiting for a 1000 gil port. 15 minutes lost, but I saved 500 gil! Wait... Had I been farming, at the rate we assumed white mages could, I'd have made 12.5k gil. Net loss to me: 12k gil.

Ultimately what I'm saying is that I would not think it amiss if prices were to rise (note this is not phrased as "if the white mages were to raise prices" or "if people were to start paying more" - prices, in a competitive market, will change based on supply and demand). We've got an artificial price cap on teleports, and so we're seeing undersupply. Take off this artifical price cap, and prices will rise, but there will always be teleports waiting in Jeuno, or wherever.

Another way of looking at it: You want a port fast, offer more. Someone will take you when they feel its worth it for them. You want a port cheap, don't complain that no one feels its worth their time.

Edited, Tue Feb 8 03:46:30 2005 by Velfire

Shameless rate up to all you folks who were rated down for expressing an opinion.

Enjoy.

--Arondight, Bismarck

I'm gonna comment on a few things being said here:



lie....even on a good day.



This doesn't make sense. Yes your giving the same service a yag drink gives but y stop at that. If a whm cast cure, isn't it the same as a potion? Your 'refresh' points make no sense what so ever. This is a teleport discussion. A service. Call it airline travel if you want i don't care. This has nothing to do with refresh. Comparably, the only argument worthwhile to teleport is warp.



I wholly agree with this statement. The economy is rising, which means everything is bound to head upwards, and this is reality. For all of you who argue that WHM are too lazy to farm, I welcome you to farm as a whm and see how easy it is. It doesn't take a genius to figure out it takes us much longer to kill than other jobs. Teleports are one way to avoid long hours of farming (personally i thought tele-whoring was about as interesting as watching grass grow and didn't do it at all post-40). It IS a form of farming for a whm. Granted the prices the OP posted may be a little excessive but it may come to that. You are all guilty in one way shape or form for our rising prices. Don't tell me you'd sell a raise 3 scroll for 6k (yes it was 6k at one point and time, and I'm talking like 8-9 months ago)when its going price it 2+mil. So far as i know, the way to obtain raise 3 hasn't changed in that time span. Stop bitc[b][/b]hing when whm will start charging more. Its gonna happen whether you like it or not. They have to keep up with the times as well.

my 2 cents

Edited, Tue Feb 8 11:36:19 2005 by Vimien

hehe Zander, we were thinking the exact same thing. Beat you too it tho :P

Rate up for you :)