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#1 Jan 07 2005 at 8:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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On tonight's episode of Screen Savers, a brief segment about how to buy and/or sell MMORPG characters was aired. They made specific mention of the fact that eBay shuts down character auctions of this type, advocated another character auction site that I won't further publicize by listing it here, and seemed to laugh off the fact that this is completely illegal in the eyes of most, if not all, MMOs.

As a member of a community that's been ripped apart by the actions of those who buy and sell virtual commodities, I'm disgusted by the irresponsibility showed by this show and G4TechTV in advocating this behavior. If you find this questionable as well, I urge you to e-mail Screen Savers at thescreensavers@g4techtv.com and make your feelings known. I'm posting a copy of the e-mail I'm sending them here as well.

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Screensavers –

I have been an avid player of the MMORPG Final Fantasy XI for over a year now. In the last several months, the game has experienced a major problem: certain players completely monopolizing monsters that drop valuable items, preventing anyone who needs these items from being able to get them by any other means than by paying exorbitantly inflated prices for them. Or, there are the players who utilize bot programs to run scripts that allow them to hunt these monsters or fish, both very lucrative pursuits, without actually having to be at their keyboard controlling their character. These players, more often than not, are in the employ of virtual property-selling sites such as IGE. They artificially inflate prices, making it next to impossible for the legitimate player to compete without having a lot of cash to drop on virtual currency. Then there are the people who buy their high-level characters online, enter the game at a high level, and make life miserable for those at their level that they encounter – most of whom have gotten far in the game by working for it, not by grabbing Daddy’s credit card and buying their character. This behavior is strictly against the TOS of FFXI and most other MMORPGs, which is exactly why eBay stops those auctions when they come up.

I bring this to your attention because in tonight’s Screen Savers episode, you suggest making playing MMORPGs a career. I find this to be completely irresponsible of you, as one of the few media outlets that are publicly servicing and publicizing the gaming industry. That you are spending your screen time telling people about how they can OMGZMAKETEHCASH!!!111one by playing MMORPGs does your audience a huge disservice. I for one would much rather see you address the issue of those who ruin these games through their real-world transactions of virtual items. MMORPGs experience attrition in part because so many players get so frustrated with the people who can spend real money for virtual accomplishments, thus destroying the legitimacy of those who worked to get where they are in the game. As a high-level player myself I can’t even begin to tell you how irritating it is to lose my hard-earned experience, money, and time because I end up in a party with some brat who was lazy and just picked up his character on IGE.

I am a member of the community that you are trying to reach, and as such I urge you to please, as a counterpoint to tonight’s episode, consider doing an item on the damage that people who buy and sell MMORPG characters and items do to those games. It’s hard enough to deal with the people who participate in this to begin with without a TV show such as yours publicizing it.

Thank you for your time.


Edited, Fri Jan 7 20:09:34 2005 by Byaina
#2 Jan 07 2005 at 8:55 PM Rating: Good
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that jsut goes to show you how down hill TSS have gotten sicne leo left very sad indeed
#3 Jan 07 2005 at 9:09 PM Rating: Good
Heh...looks like you beat me to the punch about posting about that episode Byaina. I saw that episode too, and personally, I was mortified by it.

The bad thing about this all is the fact that all of the MMOs are now going to see in increase in bought characters from that site now, simply because it was free advertisement for them. People who wouldn't even have thought of the idea of getting a jump on levels/gil/equipment by buying a character in FFXI will see this episode, think it is a GREAT idea, and then do it.

People, PLEASE follow Byaina's suggestion, and write a letter/email to the show. I beg you.
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#4 Jan 07 2005 at 9:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks for your support, guys. The post has now been added to the main FFXI forum as well. Where I'm sure I'll be flamed and karma-bombed. Yay!

I also e-mailed Greg from Real Life Comics and Tycho and Gabe from Penny Arcade. Greg's done a few comics about IGE and their ilk and PA hates G4, so maybe they'll give this some space in their news posts.

Edited, Fri Jan 7 21:32:40 2005 by Byaina
#5 Jan 07 2005 at 9:44 PM Rating: Good
Byaina the Tulip wrote:
I also e-mailed Greg from Real Life Comics and Tycho and Gabe from Penny Arcade. Greg's done a few comics about IGE and their ilk and PA hates G4, so maybe they'll give this some space in their news posts.


Didn't even think of that, but I will certainly be keeping my eyes out for something about this.

And if ya get rated down for this on the main forum, I'll just rate the post back up, so no worries^^

Edited, Fri Jan 7 21:50:57 2005 by Nightsintdreams
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#6 Jan 08 2005 at 12:36 AM Rating: Good
Byaina the Tulip wrote:
PA hates G4


Yes indeed. I agree with them.

Good idea. Smiley: wink2

I'd recommend contacting SE about the episode too. I'd like nothing more than any affiliate of G4 to be burnt to the ground by a lawsuit.

Smiley: sly

Edited, Sat Jan 8 00:38:35 2005 by nataraja
#7 Jan 08 2005 at 12:44 AM Rating: Decent
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why the hell did TSS join with G4 it sucked as soon as they joined..also leo leaving is a bit sad but where i live he does sunday afternoon on KFI am 640 in los angeles for tech help.
GET the Orignal Cast of TSS to advocate the horriblness of it and i believe it will get more publicity.
#8 Jan 08 2005 at 1:12 AM Rating: Decent
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To be honest, I'm not surprised. I stopped watching TSS a while back because of their questionable "advice." Not surprising in the least to read this.

So they merged with the company that is selling the accounts and gil? Did I understand that correctly? Well then that is why they had that advertisement. So e-mails to TSS won't get too much accomplished. However, I personally would recommend e-mailing SE. I'm sure they would find it interesting to know that a "credible" TV show such as this would be advertising a service that violates their TOS. I don't know if they could do anything directly though. I'd have to look over the TOS.
#9 Jan 08 2005 at 4:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wow, I really am getting karma-camped in that thread. :( Oh well. This is exactly why I don't go to the main forum.
#10 Jan 08 2005 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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personaly i like gobiggreen idea

also have you ever heard of a site called destany dreamer or something like that? they have a ffxi strip and might wanna know about this

also try and keep us updated on the Pa and all the other fronts i don't go there as much as i use to so ya

Edited, Sat Jan 8 10:39:29 2005 by Dnothoran
#11 Jan 08 2005 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
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TSS didn't "join" with G4 - Comcast, in their infinite wisdom, bought TechTV and then decided to merge it with G4. It was never their decision to begin with.

Comcast bought TechTV pretty much to shut it down, as it was competing with that abomination of a cable channel known as G4. All that's really remaining now of TechTV is leftover reruns of Robot Wars, not even a skeleton of The Screen Savers, a bottom of US Manga's anime barrel (the stuff nobody wants to watch, except for Last Exile, which comparatively cost a king's ransom), and X-Play, a gaming show that was better than the entire lineup G4 had...and now they're even corrupting X-Play (have you seen Morgan's hair??).

If you're really interested in the debacle that was the G4-TechTV merger...here are some links to turn your stomach, in chronological order:

Why I quit G4 (by Wil Wheaton, former Star Trek:TNG actor and Arena co-host

Comcast Signs Deal To Acquire TechTV

Comcast Fires TechTV Staff

Former TechTV Shows and Staff Dropped

Dan Huard: Life as a G4/TechTV Employee (Google cached, as he was no doubt pressured to remove this after it went up on Slashdot)

In short, I wouldn't waste my time e-mailing them. The people who would actually make the decisions don't care, and in all likelihood are *glad* you're offended.

Edited, Sat Jan 8 12:42:08 2005 by Cutriss
#12 Jan 08 2005 at 1:31 PM Rating: Good
Thinking about other episodes I have seen, I guess I really shouldn't be surprised by this either.

If you have watched various episodes that happened since the merger, you would find that they are advertising various P2P services on air.

I mean geez...talking about how to do copyright infringement? I myself am impartial about downloading music, but I do know that it is illegal according to federal law.

*sighs, then cries for the good ole days*
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#13 Jan 08 2005 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
Cutriss wrote:
Dan Huard: Life as a G4/TechTV Employee (Google cached, as he was no doubt pressured to remove this after it went up on Slashdot)


The degredation of TSS is an excellent cross-section of why G4 ruffles my feathers, actually.

Take these for example, quoted from the article linked above:

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In San Francisco, we produced for geeks. In Los Angeles, they wanted us to produce for a gamer/geek lifestyle and culture.


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This is where The Screen Savers as you once knew them changed completely. I was ordered by Paul Block and Joshua Brentano to generate questions for live callers. But these weren’t any live callers. They wanted me to use G4 employees, friends, family, whomever. Basically, I would think of a question and give that question to a designated caller. So now, the A block callers were manufactured questions and callers. I used TSS producer’s friends and family, Peter Green’s assistant (Sr. VP of Programming & Production - this was done with his OK, btw), my girlfriend, and countless other people to create the ruse that these were genuine questions coming from our viewing audience.


Before I comment, for what it's worth, the quotes above are somewhat out of context from the author's intent, so I thought I'd quote this too just to assure that I'm not misrepresenting him.

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I never intended to make this article a scathing expose on the inner-workings of G4. If it appears that way, please accept my sincerest apologies. I tried to balance the G4 and TechTV information as much as possible. Like I mentioned in a previous blog post, I’m genuinely appreciative of all my experiences at TechTV and G4. Each job brought its own positives and negatives, and both made me a better person because of them.


Honestly I think the author was being too nice. As I watched what happened to TechTV when it got eaten alive by G4, it hit me that the subculture of which we are a part is no longer ours.

Perhaps creating a task-force of super-geeks to carry out a covert assassination operation against Comcast is in order.

Smiley: mad
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