HNM cheating 101Follow

This is the first time I've ever posted on any FFXI forum, and until I see the name of my linkshell here again this will probably be the last.

Gryffes, please do not place my linkshell into your group of people "who had used this bug while camping fafnir". You can ask my own members, I am dedicated to eventually being the only linkshell who does not partake in lame acts at HNM camps (running Titan around, standing with a wyvern out infront of someone, whatever). Going so far as to edit the game in order to have an advantage goes even beyond that. Granted we have had a scandel or two back when we first started, but at that time we weren't under the name Genesis, nor was I leader.

There are roughly two people in my LS that make a good majority of our claims, one of them JP, one NA, both PS2 users. They dont edit their files despite common belief. If anyone has any information regarding my own linkshell that I do not know, by all means please inform me in game.

Rather than complain about this and resign yourself to defeat as long as you do not do the same file editing, why not just clear the room of the darters a couple of minutes before your "5 minute window"? Darters are on roughly a 15 minute respawn timer, 18+ people can certainly kill about 7 T-VT mobs in little time at all. Material Blue does it every time I see them at Fafnir, are they special? Just a thought.


Edited, Fri Jan 7 13:30:58 2005 by SendoGenesis

Edited, Fri Jan 7 23:24:14 2005 by Aphrodisiak

You all are fighting over mobs that pop every day? ; ;

In Everquest the uber mobs that dropped the uber loot were on 3, 5, and 7 day timers.

Why don't you guys try to rotate the mobs that you want with the other HNMLSs. We'll take it monday, you'll take it tuesday, so and so will take it wednesday, etc.

Of course, that only works as long as everyone plays nice together, as soon as one group of people decides they'd rather take their chance then it all is meaningless.

-Tweed

A minor point, but Nidhogg, King Behemoth, and Aspidochelone pop instead of their lesser counterparts (Fafnir, Behemoth, Adamantoise respectively) about this often, and these are where a lot of the really good drops come from (read: abjurations). Fafnir has several good drops too though, but ones like Ridill are very rare even then (I've been told around 5% drop rate).

Besides, the respawn timer is rather irrelevant when it comes to the issue of cheating. Having something pop every day just means that someone who isn't cheating wastes their time more often if people that use underhanded means are there every day as well.

Regarding cycles, if some people are willing to break their user's agreement and illegally remove game files to gain a significant advantage at claims, I am quite doubtful they'd be open to the idea of cycling claims any time soon. People that exploit like this have already shown they don't care about playing fairly with other linkshells, why would they decide to give up that advantage with a rotation, even if it'd be easier for everyone that plays the game legitimately?

I wouldn't mind a cycle, to be honest, but I just hope SE was intelligent enough to add a new Tu'Lia-type zone in CoP with popped HNMs that have the abjurations gotten from the land God HNMs (Fafnir/Nidhogg, KB, Aspid). Maybe then my friends and I can work on getting them in peace without feeling like we're being cheated out of a fair shot.

Edited, Fri Jan 7 15:23:33 2005 by Rhayn

Well, the rotation was just a suggestion, but I can tell you on my Everquest server it did not last for more then a few months until one shadey guild decided they didn't care anymore and went to a few spawns of ubers when it was not their turn.

Instances are the only answer, SE should have taken this cue from SoE (Sony Online Entertainment, i.e. owners of EQ) a long time ago, people want to play the game(s) they are playing without having to deal with constant competition for the uber spawns, the Tu'Lia approach is great, when I first started this game, I thought all the HNM encounters were instanced.

Oh well, I realize this doesn't address the actual cheating, but you could have it worse, your gods could pop every 7 days =P

-Tweed

when it was your day, what if an LS outside the agreement or a JP LS decides they want to camp it.

They couldn't without breaking the rotation.

I'm an ex EQ1 player myself, I'm not sure a rotation would work at all, on my server they usually caused a lot of friction and eventually shady guilds would just break them anyways.

Sad ari, very sad.

You lack the will to be held to a concrete public comment that won't come cleanly from anyone in iron, but will probably come from someone who manages to find you or tred online... eventually?

(it would help if either of you deigned to sign in if you only reply ingame to this self created hell of yours, but thats SILLY, because then you'd actually have to answer wouldnt you!)

I'm VERY interested in what you have to say.

this is not sarcasm, but I want to see how you, (and anyone who quietly accepts these actions as long as it benefits them) rationalize this. (and I mean something more than "everyone does it", because even if only one LS is NOT doing it you destroy the entire validity of that statement. remember your SAT's?)

Please Ari, enlighten me so that I may declare myself a fool and a liar for your entertainment.

Waiting with baited breath.....

(EDIT...Hmmm what was the original response to pellaz's discreet tells about this... oh yes DELETE THE EVIDENCE!)

Edit-Sat, 10 am pst ish... nope... no ari or treddy yet... Yoooo Hoooo!!!!! think i'll go drive to see snow and see if you decide to grace us with your presence at some point today. so here you go, a nice window of 4-8 hours where you can play in peace without dealing with me.

Have fun ^^

Edited, Sat Jan 8 05:22:03 2005 by Synapsiswhm

Edited, Sat Jan 8 13:09:03 2005 by Synapsiswhm

nice to know iron's stand on it, then again, bleh, thats annoying to know

Even if Tred was right, even if this was technically allowed by the game's rules and by the TOS agreement (which it clearly is not)...meh, stealing King Behemoth at 1% is 'technically' allowed as well. That doesn't make it right.

You mention Daikon in your screenshot. I'm sorry but thats really really really really really really (did i say really) bizzare.

What does a Dynamis LS that maybe what? 4-5 IRON members went to Dynamis-Xarcabard with several months ago got to do with this?

i'm sure the members of excalibur, ultimate, AO, AD and even the lunarians that come along also would like to know what specific accusations you are making...



Edited, Sun Jan 9 06:24:14 2005 by underlig