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This is exacly how i feel i would have began posting and why i decided to pull out of the thread. So its nice to see that i am not alone in my feelings and that someone else has the courage to speak up, i am much the same way and would have started speaking out of pure anger and hate towards this cheating and the IRON LS. gogo synap! >_</

Edited, Fri Jan 7 02:41:43 2005 by highrez

We never claimed Fafnir.


Edited, Fri Jan 7 18:58:40 2005 by Aphrodisiak

And for those that have said this is tearing the bismarck community up even more i would have to disagree to some extent, i feel that many people are comming together for the anti-cheating cause and have expressed how they feel. The only people generally being alienated are those that are/support the cheaters and those trying to defend them for reason i really dont understand.

Thank you Xen, you have been quite decent about this whole nonsense,at the end of all this bull, and I really would have preferred to not post the flail pics, but you called my bluff, and I suck at cards.

thanks again for the apology btw.

Edited, Fri Jan 7 03:27:20 2005 by Synapsiswhm

First, just for fun, information pooled from http://www.us.playstation.com/dnas



Basically DNAS is a robust system and software verification process that allows the host server to gleen pretty much any information about its users that it wants (minus private things such as your identity and the **** you've recently browsed).

I'm not particularly familiar with it, but I would imagine rather than searching through every game file it looks only at specific files specified by the host server's admin. I suppose you could theoretically set it to also look for every mob's model file, but that would make the log-in process much longer, probably enough to completely infuriate dial-up users such that they assemble a ragtag army and march on SE's corporate offices in Japan, bearing crude farm implements and torches, set on the murder, tar, feathering, and general desecration of all its employees.

The fix I would recommend would be to slightly alter the procedure called for targeting such that, as someone recommended above, the target point is seperate from the existance of the model in question.

Also it would be wise to flag the file for mandatory reinstalation at the next log-in. These files are (comparatively) small and catching them in-game and forcing them to be reapplied would alleviate any lasting benefit someone could conceivably gain from this exploit after the targeting issue is repaired.

Regarding the original topic allow me to point out the following:

Final Fantasy XI User Agreement, Article 3.1(g)
secure.playonline.com/supportus/rule_ff11user.html

Final Fantasy XI Software License Agreement, Article 2.4 (a)
secure.playonline.com/supportus/rule_ff11soft.html

A Word on Abusing Exploits, archived at Allakhazam.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/news/sdetail4337.html?story=4337



And with that, I'll add my own voice to the clamor, though I know much of this has already been treaded and retreaded for a while now.

[DISCLAIMER]Regardless of my opinions on these subjects as a purely intellectual matter I offer no opinion on the worth of those engaging in exploits as a whole disregarding this one activity, make no comment or association that the activities of members of any linkshell community are par for the course for the linkshell as a whole, and indeed am speaking exactly about what I say I'm speaking about without any need for broader insinuations to be spread to other areas of any persons character or anything broader than the subjects on which I'll focus.

In short, if I don't specifically come out and point a finger at you and make accusations, don't assume that I am just because I commented on some related (or unrelated) area or mentioned something that someone you know does but you yourself do not.

Failure to comply will result in me spitting on your shoe.

You have been warned.[/DISCLAIMER]

That being said, I'll plow onward.

Having established that the foundational issue of exploitations of the game to cause it to operate in a manner other than its original intent for any benefit over players who do not employ the same methods of exploitation is a violation of several user agreements and additionally of questionable legality, depending on what legal jurisdiction in which you reside, I think the overall area of debate here is more related to how a community should react to this.

Bearing in mind that one of the foundations of rule and law and any other term you could apply to this kind of concept (hereafter refered to as The Rules) is to protect the rights of groups and individuals by providing avenues through which Justice (term used loosely) can be served, I see no reason why an aggrieved individual should not bring the issue to a public forum to bring the issue to light for those who might, unwary, be likewise aggrieved by such activities.

The Rules in this case pertain to the exploitation of a flaw in the game which provides not for the rights of Square-Enix, who insofar as their own well-being apart from the grievances of their clients is concerned couldn't care less, but rather for the fairness of the persistant world in which their clients find entertainment. Therefore I would argue that the original post was well within rights, being the public illumination of this issue from one whose rights are potentially infringed.

Regarding privacy I can only reiterate as has been noted elsewhere that a livejournal is far from private. I see any arguement regarding a supposed violation of privacy as something which only muddies the water, distracting time and energy from the core issue. It profits nothing.

And as a final note, and seperate from the blanket protection of my disclaimer (meaning you my reader may feel free to throw a fit about this final ccomment without fear of saliva-dampend shoes), why is it that someone always seems to find a way to blow things like this completely 1) out of proportion and 2) way off course from it's initial heading.

[Edit: Ohh, lets see. Fixed two broken links, clarified something, fixed a spelling error, a grammatical error, reworded a sentance for clarity and added a following sentance for the purposes of underscoring a point. I put way too much effort into these things.]

[Edit: Fixed a spelling error in my last edit note. See what I mean?]

[Edit: Fixed a glaring grammatical error I missed yesterday which, contrary to the avowed mission statement in my disclaimer above - specifically that I say what I mean - I managed at one point through this error to say the exact opposite of what I meant. While I suppose my intent was made clear through the context of the post as a whole, I thought I'd alter it just in case. As I said: Waaaaayyy too much effort, considering no one is likely to read this newly editted post now that it isn't on the last page. ]

Edited, Fri Jan 7 16:27:44 2005 by nataraja

This is a mis-interpretation of the previous posts.

We are only human and we all make mistakes and bad judgements at times. Its clear to me that Nam's post was pointing out that, rather than indulge themselves in pointless mud-flinging, IRON have choosen to do some soul-searching and solve their issues without washing their dirty laundry in public.

I don't respect what IRON and the other players who have used this cheat are doing, but i realise that people are only human. Where they go from here is upto them, badgering them on a public forum is in no-ones interest as far as i can see.

I hope that you realise this. In both yours and Synapsis posts you come off sounding like harpies baying for their pound of flesh. A contrast with Pellaz's more reasonable comments.

Look around yourself: in real life and in the digital world.
If the world really frightens and offends you as much as your post implies...
well maybe you just need to let your hair down a little and learn to accept people for who they are. They sure as hell won't always be who you want them to be.

Thanks for pointing that out.Here is my 2 gils.

Well maybe they should just need to let their hair down a little and learn to accept people for what we will react when found out cheaters. We sure as hell won't be always be who they want us to behave when we found out they cheats.

Thank you, have a nice day.

Edited, Fri Jan 7 05:06:30 2005 by Moooooo

We've gone to fafnir exactly 3 times and lost the pull to Blue Steel 3 times. I think what you are referring to is my ever so beautiful flashing of the darter which caused about 5 of our members to die. Aside from my stupid mistake (which happens often down there in the pit), we haven't even tried to fight him and we were only going down there to see if we could take it of which I believe we wouldn't have had a problem.

I hope this has cleared up a few things.

Thanks Nata, I thought that was what it was. Maybe instead of scanning for all files, it could look for file sizes in different areas of the game files, say randomly scan certain folders to make sure they're the proper size, or something similar. I dunno, that may be too simplistic, as I'm sure it's possible to create a dummy text file in there that is the proper size.

And Kpp, time to update the siggy old boy, you're 74 now (if not 75, haven't seen you in a couple days ^^)

Edited, Fri Jan 7 18:55:03 2005 by Aphrodisiak

w00t!!111! I took out all my Carrion Worm files so i can see Big Mouth Billy Pop!!111!

Bah Big Mouth Willy is not worth it. Tom Tit Tat his tho, lol ^^

Meet me at Billy's Spawn point!11! Bring some SUPER ULTRA HIGH potions you will need them111!!!11