PLs required in Valkurm? I must've missed the memo.Follow

6/6 parties I've been in had a powerleveler in the Dunes this week. The worst part is, the parties still weren't any good. >_>

I dunno, what is this, a new trend? It's weird. I'd be lying if I said I didn't appreciate the help, but with a PLer, newbies don't learn anything, and some members get lazy (like a WHM you have in your party who spams nothing but Banishga and leaves the BARD to Cure when the PL is busy...you know who you are), and parties are just so uncoordinated. Every time, they tell the tank not to provoke, to let the PLer get the hate. Which makes sense, yes, but these same people obviously have no idea how hate control works, and so then the WHM get a stray blow, or the Bard gets Screwdrivered for casting Foe Requiem. (yes, I'm the bard in these examples, and I managed to survive that Screwdriver....barely...:p)

It's frustrating. Parties think they're invincible with a PLer and don't take party setup into consideration. I got into a party with 3 THFs, a MNK, and a RDM (and me, BRD, obviously). I and one THF had a sub (and his was MNK) so no one could voke. I asked why there was no tank. "We don't need one, we have a PL." (not that well punctuated either)

It's getting frustrating that parties are now being spoiled so badly that the parties are actually suffering instead of benefiting. Again, to say that I wouldn't appreciate a PL's assitance would be a lie, but I think I may have to start declining those parties' invites. We aren't teaching newbies anything this way, and yes, although the Dunes are painful, they *do* end eventually.

I dunno, this was more of a rant than anything I guess. But it's just so weird to see all those PLers, when before, you were lucky to find even a WHM.

Edited, Sat Dec 25 05:07:04 2004 by seraphimhunter

pl really should be forbidden for the new players of the game. While leveling nin I went to make a party with a friend. Mostly tried to get people who already had a subjob, but had to stick with a rdm without a subjob. That's not bad at all, but it would matter later on <.<

Before the rdm even joined the party, he asked if we had a pl. Of course went no immediatly on which the rdm would reply with: I'm not sure if I can join, without a pl it is very tough.
Well, it took quite a bit of talking to convince the rdm actually to come down and party with us. Hopefully the opinion changed cause the exp was simply good ^^

imo pl should only be for players who know their jobs already, else there will always be a group of people left depending on them.

I've taken to Qufim Patrol recently, while staying in Jeuno. I just clear the Weapons in the tunnel, cure low HP, and maybe hang out at the Tower zone, taking out Wight trains. I'll check the parties there, and see if anyone is in trouble, and throw a few cures. Not technically power leveling, just being of assistance.
I agree, messing up hate in a party is a bad thing for people learning their jobs.

wow. i guess i won't be powerleveling Alauce anytime soon! I hate powerleveling people because of the sheer amount of attention I have to spend tabbing around to see if everyone is ok. The problem with a PL in the dunes is that the people there are so fragile. One or two hits on a mage by a gob or a well timed cursed sphere and the party is done for. Most of the times I spend powerleveling friends in the Dunes is just me sitting by looking for the famous gobbie aggro or bogy attack, and raises just in case something goes wrong. I'll actually PL on stuff past quifim on occasion because that is when a powerleveler can actually be a bit useful.

I would agree way way way to many people are asking for pl nowadays. Sure i dont mind a PL once in awhile, hell it helped me get my BLM out of Quifim :) but I never expect it. But you need to learn todo your job. I am so suprised when I am in a pty and a tank cant keep Hate off us mages because they wont use voke. Though I will admit my jobs are under macroed, just because i switch between them all so much. but there really is no excuse not knowing how to use a job ability you have had since almost the start of the game.

Edited, Sat Dec 25 23:23:11 2004 by typongtive

Indeed times have change no? It’s been awhile since I have posted but I read the forums often to learn what will make my day that much easier and cause that much less grief. I happen to run a LS called RouninVoices. We are small and loyal to each other, and frankly we do what we can. This topic struck me for the reason is I have had instances with newer members floating in and pretty much asking for a PL each time a higher lvl mage speaks a word (figuratively.) Being PL is not so much something you should ask for, but something you earn. Though some newer players may have little to offer, they should still realize that those helping them are giving time from their own. Those being PL'ed should respect the player aiding them. However, it has been my experience that this is sometimes taken for granted, by pestering the aiding party for buffs or demanding it when in reality your own healer could be doing there own job earning much needed skill points. Sometimes being in the yellow isn't a bad thing. I agree with much of the previous post and feel that if newer players read this they may in turn learn to better the game, instead of finding the fastest way to achieve the goals they want (ignoring those who helped them achieve it.)