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FFXI Final Fantasy XI provoker Bot Item number: 5144309424
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This is a provoke, stun flash or anything u want afk bot.
this really works you can be afk and this bot can fight the nm or hnm u want to kill
so tired to see many asian with those bots? try this now and have fun .
FFXI
I cant believe these moron actually advertise this stuff.
Edited, Fri Dec 3 13:57:05 2004 by Krackhead
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You can report this guy to eBay (quoting the part of the ToS that bans this) and they should suspend the auction, and possibly this guy's account.
And Christmas is just around the corner! Sure coulda used this last night when we were camping Mee Deggi. I mean, just to level the playing field 
I have reported the auction to eBay AND PlayOnline.
Those who buy gil, bot, and cheat in this game should never be allowed at all to play. Those that do shouldn't even exist at all.
Thank you,
Aselin of Bismarck
Those who buy gil, bot, and cheat in this game should never be allowed at all to play. Those that do shouldn't even exist at all.
Thank you,
Aselin of Bismarck
Quote:
this bot can fight the nm or hnm u want to kill
"Oh, ****! That gawdam voke-bot got Fafnir again!!!"
Sioux the Silent wrote:
Quote:
this bot can fight the nm or hnm u want to kill
"Oh, ****! That gawdam voke-bot got Fafnir again!!!"
If someone actually figures out a way to do something like this, I'm moving to Antarctica.
The really sad part is that someone might actually buy this ...
Well, the auction listing has been removed. I guess reporting it to eBay and Playonline does work. o.O
I should do the same now for the online gil being sold on eBay.
Time to get to work. ^_^)d
I should do the same now for the online gil being sold on eBay.
Time to get to work. ^_^)d
Quote:
Well, the auction listing has been removed. I guess reporting it to eBay and Playonline does work. o.O
I should do the same now for the online gil being sold on eBay.
Time to get to work. ^_^)d
I should do the same now for the online gil being sold on eBay.
Time to get to work. ^_^)d
GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO!!!!!! Need help?
Yes, I think I'll need help.
Why?
Well, typing in 'Final Fantasy XI gil' in the search query resulted in 230+ results, including those guides on how to get 1.5 mil in so and so amount of time. ; ;
Too... many... item... numbers... to... report. >.<
/em collapses
/em chugs a can of Pepsi and gets to work
Edited, Sun Dec 5 01:38:41 2004 by octoberasian
Why?
Well, typing in 'Final Fantasy XI gil' in the search query resulted in 230+ results, including those guides on how to get 1.5 mil in so and so amount of time. ; ;
Too... many... item... numbers... to... report. >.<
/em collapses
/em chugs a can of Pepsi and gets to work
Edited, Sun Dec 5 01:38:41 2004 by octoberasian
Are the guides against the agreement? I wouldn't think so but am curious as I am starting my quest to help you...
I highly doubt the guides to make money are against the agreement unless the guides contain something that would violate the TOS. But, I am assuming right now, that they don't.
Okay, I will hop on ebay and start looking...thanks
good hunting ^^
Edit: Here are the sellers names I found and the number of auctions involving gil selling they have up... Can we report the seller name and not worry about the item numbers?
ff11sales 49
virtual_gamer 48
ffxi_overstock 76
one_more_gil 47
ffxiexchange 9
ononeworld 11
cssio 1
248qin 1
v-c-x 31
Edited, Mon Dec 6 15:25:28 2004 by YukioOfBismarck
good hunting ^^
Edit: Here are the sellers names I found and the number of auctions involving gil selling they have up... Can we report the seller name and not worry about the item numbers?
ff11sales 49
virtual_gamer 48
ffxi_overstock 76
one_more_gil 47
ffxiexchange 9
ononeworld 11
cssio 1
248qin 1
v-c-x 31
Edited, Mon Dec 6 15:25:28 2004 by YukioOfBismarck
... Item Numbers only /cry
so... you can see why I'm in tears when I found out only item numbers can be reported.
so... you can see why I'm in tears when I found out only item numbers can be reported.
Damn, okay...I started copying some...Ill get more. Maybe an email to ebay support explaining the amount of illegal activity on their site would help...
Well back to the hunt ><;
Well back to the hunt ><;
Okay I sent the following email to ebay customer support and included the seller ffxi_overstock in the seller ID report box.
Report problems with other eBay members > Problems with sellers > The
problem you're having with your seller isn't listed
Member or Item being reported: ffxi_overstock
Message: My problem is this. I am a player of the online game Final
Fantasy XI. It has come to my attention that you have numerous listings
on ebay that are illegal due to the Square-Enix agreement with their
players. These sellers are selling in game money called gil. I have a
list of sellers names, but they have numerous listings (around 200+) for
"gil". I have cut and pasted the Square-Enix policy about this and am
curious if we can report by name the violators?
The policy follows and can be found in full at the following link:
https://secure.playonline.com/supportus/index03.html
3.1 Prohibited Activities.
You may not use the Game or PlayOnline for any activities that are
illegal, fraudulent, or a violation of the rights of any third party.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following acts and
activities are strictly prohibited and shall, without prejudice to any
other rights or remedies that SEI may have, be cause for immediate
termination of your PlayOnline account and your right to play the Game (or
any other services) in connection therewith:
(a) Any activities consisting of selling, purchasing or exchanging
“gil” or any other currency that may be used in the Game from time to time,
characters, and/or Game items for value (including, but not limited to,
any payment in kind and any payment in any currency recognized as legal
tender in any country, state, territory or other jurisdiction anywhere
in the world) through any means or venue, including, without
limitation, Internet auctions or other online exchanges;
Please let me know what eBay is planning on doing, for I am concerned
with ebay's policies as well as Square-Enix's policies.
Thank you very much
-Josh S Talley
Lets see how they respond...*crosses his fingers and anything else crossable*
Edited, Tue Dec 7 15:08:29 2004 by YukioOfBismarck
Report problems with other eBay members > Problems with sellers > The
problem you're having with your seller isn't listed
Member or Item being reported: ffxi_overstock
Message: My problem is this. I am a player of the online game Final
Fantasy XI. It has come to my attention that you have numerous listings
on ebay that are illegal due to the Square-Enix agreement with their
players. These sellers are selling in game money called gil. I have a
list of sellers names, but they have numerous listings (around 200+) for
"gil". I have cut and pasted the Square-Enix policy about this and am
curious if we can report by name the violators?
The policy follows and can be found in full at the following link:
https://secure.playonline.com/supportus/index03.html
3.1 Prohibited Activities.
You may not use the Game or PlayOnline for any activities that are
illegal, fraudulent, or a violation of the rights of any third party.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following acts and
activities are strictly prohibited and shall, without prejudice to any
other rights or remedies that SEI may have, be cause for immediate
termination of your PlayOnline account and your right to play the Game (or
any other services) in connection therewith:
(a) Any activities consisting of selling, purchasing or exchanging
“gil” or any other currency that may be used in the Game from time to time,
characters, and/or Game items for value (including, but not limited to,
any payment in kind and any payment in any currency recognized as legal
tender in any country, state, territory or other jurisdiction anywhere
in the world) through any means or venue, including, without
limitation, Internet auctions or other online exchanges;
Please let me know what eBay is planning on doing, for I am concerned
with ebay's policies as well as Square-Enix's policies.
Thank you very much
-Josh S Talley
Lets see how they respond...*crosses his fingers and anything else crossable*
Edited, Tue Dec 7 15:08:29 2004 by YukioOfBismarck
GREAT JOB!!
I did something similar, maybe we should get a round up of every player in FFXI to keep sending stuff like this to eBay. Maybe eBay will get smart about what's being posted on their site and completely disallow it. It's good to know there are people like you and I taking an active role in stopping people who sell gil online. Hoorah to us!
I did something similar, maybe we should get a round up of every player in FFXI to keep sending stuff like this to eBay. Maybe eBay will get smart about what's being posted on their site and completely disallow it. It's good to know there are people like you and I taking an active role in stopping people who sell gil online. Hoorah to us!
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On a lighter note, when ever I see anything ebay related, I'm reminded of the ebay song...
http://www.imagestorepro.com/ebay_song.html
which makes me smile.
Edited, Wed Dec 8 05:51:41 2004 by Trouserbanana
http://www.imagestorepro.com/ebay_song.html
which makes me smile.
Edited, Wed Dec 8 05:51:41 2004 by Trouserbanana
15 posts
Quote:
On a lighter note, when ever I see anything ebay related, I'm reminded of the ebay song...
http://www.imagestorepro.com/ebay_song.html
which makes me smile.
http://www.imagestorepro.com/ebay_song.html
which makes me smile.
:D Rate UP UP UP!!!!
Edited, Wed Dec 8 21:07:25 2004 by UBControl
Haduken Tarutaru 70THF/BRD70/37NIN/37WHM/32BLM/28RNG/29RDM/28DRK/15BST/14WAR/MNK7
Server: Bismarck
LS: CodeRed/Alumina
RETIRED!!! finally... now playing MTGO/DiabloII XD
Server: Bismarck
LS: CodeRed/Alumina
RETIRED!!! finally... now playing MTGO/DiabloII XD
Heh listening to Poodle Hat right now ^^
Anyways here is the answer from eBay:
*sighs* Guess Ill take a look at that list... I for one will now reconsider using eBay in the future...talk about a run around... Ill keep everyone posted
Anyways here is the answer from eBay:
Quote:
Hello Josh,
Thank you for taking the time to investigate eBay policy regarding this
item.
While eBay policy does not specifically prohibit the listing of these
sorts of "virtual items", you should be aware that many rights owners
may take the position that the listing of such items is a copyright
infringement. Listing such items could therefore result in the ending
of
such listings if a member of our Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) Program
reports the items as infringing their rights.
If you believe an item is potentially infringing and it was not removed
by eBay, we encourage you to contact the rights owner and inform them
of
the alleged infringement. Rights owners may request the removal of
listings they feel infringe upon their rights through eBay's Verified
Rights Owner (VeRO) Program.
If you would like to see information provided by the rights owners
about
items that may infringe their rights and how to contact them, please
visit our list of VeRO Program participant About Me pages.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/vero-aboutme.html
We appreciate your concerns and we thank you for helping to keep eBay a
safe and reputable forum in which to conduct business.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter.
Regards,
Elyas
eBay Community Watch
Thank you for taking the time to investigate eBay policy regarding this
item.
While eBay policy does not specifically prohibit the listing of these
sorts of "virtual items", you should be aware that many rights owners
may take the position that the listing of such items is a copyright
infringement. Listing such items could therefore result in the ending
of
such listings if a member of our Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) Program
reports the items as infringing their rights.
If you believe an item is potentially infringing and it was not removed
by eBay, we encourage you to contact the rights owner and inform them
of
the alleged infringement. Rights owners may request the removal of
listings they feel infringe upon their rights through eBay's Verified
Rights Owner (VeRO) Program.
If you would like to see information provided by the rights owners
about
items that may infringe their rights and how to contact them, please
visit our list of VeRO Program participant About Me pages.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/vero-aboutme.html
We appreciate your concerns and we thank you for helping to keep eBay a
safe and reputable forum in which to conduct business.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter.
Regards,
Elyas
eBay Community Watch
*sighs* Guess Ill take a look at that list... I for one will now reconsider using eBay in the future...talk about a run around... Ill keep everyone posted
Ebay is horrible at yanking scam auctions, and banning sellers. I myself have been tracking various scams across ebay for the past couple years, and have noticed that Ebay, through its "hands off" policy, rarely critiques sales. And even when fraud is proven, the seller is often given a temporary suspension, or in the case of a power seller (several thousand sells), not a simple slap on the wrist.
Case in point: http://laplaza.org/~1covers/ebayemails.htm
This pertains to a stamp scam that has been going on for a long time now, and has yet to be truly addressed by Ebay.
At one time, it was estimated that out of every one hundred autographed items on Ebay, only one or two is real.
Also, computer parts are the most likely catagory for the item to not be delivered (around 5%). Ebay policy says that the funds cannot be recovered less you use Paypal (which is owned by Ebay), to transfer the funds.
Hmmm...
Interesting, isn't it?
Case in point: http://laplaza.org/~1covers/ebayemails.htm
This pertains to a stamp scam that has been going on for a long time now, and has yet to be truly addressed by Ebay.
At one time, it was estimated that out of every one hundred autographed items on Ebay, only one or two is real.
Also, computer parts are the most likely catagory for the item to not be delivered (around 5%). Ebay policy says that the funds cannot be recovered less you use Paypal (which is owned by Ebay), to transfer the funds.
Hmmm...
Interesting, isn't it?
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Well I checked their site about trademarks, etc...guess who isn't on their...
I think I will send a transcript of my conversation with eBay to SE...maybe they will do something...
I think I will send a transcript of my conversation with eBay to SE...maybe they will do something...
This is what I am sending to SE...
Quote:
I sent the following email to ebay customer support and included the seller ffxi_overstock in the seller ID report box.
"Report problems with other eBay members > Problems with sellers > The
problem you're having with your seller isn't listed
Member or Item being reported: ffxi_overstock
Message: My problem is this. I am a player of the online game Final
Fantasy XI. It has come to my attention that you have numerous listings
on ebay that are illegal due to the Square-Enix agreement with their
players. These sellers are selling in game money called gil. I have a
list of sellers names, but they have numerous listings (around 200+) for
"gil". I have cut and pasted the Square-Enix policy about this and am
curious if we can report by name the violators?
The policy follows and can be found in full at the following link:
https://secure.playonline.com/supportus/index03.html
3.1 Prohibited Activities.
You may not use the Game or PlayOnline for any activities that are
illegal, fraudulent, or a violation of the rights of any third party.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following acts and
activities are strictly prohibited and shall, without prejudice to any
other rights or remedies that SEI may have, be cause for immediate
termination of your PlayOnline account and your right to play the Game (or
any other services) in connection therewith:
(a) Any activities consisting of selling, purchasing or exchanging
“gil” or any other currency that may be used in the Game from time to time,
characters, and/or Game items for value (including, but not limited to,
any payment in kind and any payment in any currency recognized as legal
tender in any country, state, territory or other jurisdiction anywhere
in the world) through any means or venue, including, without
limitation, Internet auctions or other online exchanges;
Please let me know what eBay is planning on doing, for I am concerned
with ebay's policies as well as Square-Enix's policies.
Thank you very much
-Josh S Talley "
This is the response I received from eBay.
"Hello Josh,
Thank you for taking the time to investigate eBay policy regarding this
item.
While eBay policy does not specifically prohibit the listing of these
sorts of "virtual items", you should be aware that many rights owners
may take the position that the listing of such items is a copyright
infringement. Listing such items could therefore result in the ending
of
such listings if a member of our Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) Program
reports the items as infringing their rights.
If you believe an item is potentially infringing and it was not removed
by eBay, we encourage you to contact the rights owner and inform them
of
the alleged infringement. Rights owners may request the removal of
listings they feel infringe upon their rights through eBay's Verified
Rights Owner (VeRO) Program.
If you would like to see information provided by the rights owners
about
items that may infringe their rights and how to contact them, please
visit our list of VeRO Program participant About Me pages.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/vero-aboutme.html
We appreciate your concerns and we thank you for helping to keep eBay a
safe and reputable forum in which to conduct business.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter.
Regards,
Elyas
eBay Community Watch"
I for one will now reconsider using eBay in the future...talk about a run around... I check the site they directed me to and saw that SE is not listed there. I am concerned with eBay's lack of legal enforcement in this issue and am wondering what actions SE will be taking, considering this is in blatant disregard for your FFXI Players Agreement. Please set the minds of your players at ease, by letting us know what will be done. I will share your response with the forums I post in and look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you very much, your concerned and loyal player
-Josh S Talley
"Report problems with other eBay members > Problems with sellers > The
problem you're having with your seller isn't listed
Member or Item being reported: ffxi_overstock
Message: My problem is this. I am a player of the online game Final
Fantasy XI. It has come to my attention that you have numerous listings
on ebay that are illegal due to the Square-Enix agreement with their
players. These sellers are selling in game money called gil. I have a
list of sellers names, but they have numerous listings (around 200+) for
"gil". I have cut and pasted the Square-Enix policy about this and am
curious if we can report by name the violators?
The policy follows and can be found in full at the following link:
https://secure.playonline.com/supportus/index03.html
3.1 Prohibited Activities.
You may not use the Game or PlayOnline for any activities that are
illegal, fraudulent, or a violation of the rights of any third party.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following acts and
activities are strictly prohibited and shall, without prejudice to any
other rights or remedies that SEI may have, be cause for immediate
termination of your PlayOnline account and your right to play the Game (or
any other services) in connection therewith:
(a) Any activities consisting of selling, purchasing or exchanging
“gil” or any other currency that may be used in the Game from time to time,
characters, and/or Game items for value (including, but not limited to,
any payment in kind and any payment in any currency recognized as legal
tender in any country, state, territory or other jurisdiction anywhere
in the world) through any means or venue, including, without
limitation, Internet auctions or other online exchanges;
Please let me know what eBay is planning on doing, for I am concerned
with ebay's policies as well as Square-Enix's policies.
Thank you very much
-Josh S Talley "
This is the response I received from eBay.
"Hello Josh,
Thank you for taking the time to investigate eBay policy regarding this
item.
While eBay policy does not specifically prohibit the listing of these
sorts of "virtual items", you should be aware that many rights owners
may take the position that the listing of such items is a copyright
infringement. Listing such items could therefore result in the ending
of
such listings if a member of our Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) Program
reports the items as infringing their rights.
If you believe an item is potentially infringing and it was not removed
by eBay, we encourage you to contact the rights owner and inform them
of
the alleged infringement. Rights owners may request the removal of
listings they feel infringe upon their rights through eBay's Verified
Rights Owner (VeRO) Program.
If you would like to see information provided by the rights owners
about
items that may infringe their rights and how to contact them, please
visit our list of VeRO Program participant About Me pages.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/vero-aboutme.html
We appreciate your concerns and we thank you for helping to keep eBay a
safe and reputable forum in which to conduct business.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter.
Regards,
Elyas
eBay Community Watch"
I for one will now reconsider using eBay in the future...talk about a run around... I check the site they directed me to and saw that SE is not listed there. I am concerned with eBay's lack of legal enforcement in this issue and am wondering what actions SE will be taking, considering this is in blatant disregard for your FFXI Players Agreement. Please set the minds of your players at ease, by letting us know what will be done. I will share your response with the forums I post in and look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you very much, your concerned and loyal player
-Josh S Talley
ok this sounds like a good start as other posters have done similar things to help stop this.
If my understanding of international copyright law is up to date (and I haven't looked into it for a while), electronic software as it is defined under the law is saleable insofar as the original purchaser is concerned, so long as the software is sold in it's original format (no duplications, i.e. burnt cds/dvds), and the law makes no distinction between your standard offline game and an online game that takes place within a persistant world.
Square-enix has its hands tied in a number of ways with regards to copyright infringement, for this reason. Additionally there is currently no legal convention to detail ownership so far as ubiquitous data in a persistant world is concerned. (i.e. gil) which is where they have difficulty prosecuting gil-sellers.
Essentially persistant online environments are new, and the law has yet to catch up.
It seems to me that the best way the law should approach things such as this would be to recognize persistant online environments as actual environments, as discreet regions under the ownership of its creators, rather than just as information.
This would allow existing laws to come into play, giving the proprietor of a given piece of persistant online property to prohibit soliciting within the confines of the environment under their purview.
Or something similar.
Sorry for the hijack. Got me thinking.
[Edit: Not paying attention to my spelling. Blah.]
Edited, Wed Dec 15 06:59:29 2004 by nataraja
Square-enix has its hands tied in a number of ways with regards to copyright infringement, for this reason. Additionally there is currently no legal convention to detail ownership so far as ubiquitous data in a persistant world is concerned. (i.e. gil) which is where they have difficulty prosecuting gil-sellers.
Essentially persistant online environments are new, and the law has yet to catch up.
It seems to me that the best way the law should approach things such as this would be to recognize persistant online environments as actual environments, as discreet regions under the ownership of its creators, rather than just as information.
This would allow existing laws to come into play, giving the proprietor of a given piece of persistant online property to prohibit soliciting within the confines of the environment under their purview.
Or something similar.
Sorry for the hijack. Got me thinking.
[Edit: Not paying attention to my spelling. Blah.]
Edited, Wed Dec 15 06:59:29 2004 by nataraja
OMFG!!!!!!!!
SE's complaints for this stuff can only be sent through POL...
Someone help me!!! If anyone knows of any email addresses that I can send this to, please lmk
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!
>:(
SE's complaints for this stuff can only be sent through POL...
Someone help me!!! If anyone knows of any email addresses that I can send this to, please lmk
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!
>:(
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