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Another reason Qufim in n00bland >.<Follow

#1 Nov 24 2004 at 1:52 AM Rating: Decent
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So tonight I help my friend open up the Beastmaster
quest. So in good spirits and fun, I make the Kraken hate me
and I start running around Qufim with it trailing me. Well
I'm running around /anon and obviously not in any danger. So I run by Delkfutts Tower to show a friend of mine the Kraken
and also successfully ran into another person.

So this idiot Princesss a rank 4 Lv 20 Windhurstian Galka
decides omg uBer high level guy who is not in any danger
at all is getting hit by teh Kraken let me heal him.

So within a few second I loose hate from the Kraken because this
idiot throws a Cure II my way and successfully pulls the Kraken
off me straight onto his/her party. Immediatly on my screen I see.

Katsudo was defeated by the Kraken.
Katsudo falls to level 20.

Immediatly I felt bad for what had happened so I killed it
rested by the fallen player and raised them and even gave them
100k for what had just happened.

The really ****** up part about it is Princesss and Gogeto
proceed to harass blaming me for their WHM's death. Which I admit to being partially responsible for but not entirely my
fault. So after a few minutes of them going back and forth
talking **** I finially give up and warp back to my home point and read my chat log to see why I lost the kraken.....

That ******* stupid *** Galkan Princesss is the reason I lost
the Kraken and also spent 100k for nothing. Of course the WHM
made that off me since I felt so bad for the death that wasn't even my fault because if Princess hadn't tried to cure me it never would have turned on that party >.<

ok damn I feel better now guess I just needed to rant.

Edited Katsudo's lvl, was tired and pissed last night so i typed it incorrectly >.<
Edited, Wed Nov 24 01:54:15 2004 by zandertheredmage

Edited, Wed Nov 24 13:46:43 2004 by zandertheredmage
#2 Nov 24 2004 at 2:00 AM Rating: Good
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I saw that..and actually you raised our Blm Sorata before you warped thanks^^

oh well some people just dont have a clue


but speaking of n00bs we had a lvl 21 Rdm/Mnk in our pt...which I could almost understand if he was using En-spells with HtH which might do some good against those crabs...but he used neither >.<
#3 Nov 24 2004 at 7:25 AM Rating: Default
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waaaaait~ did you say Qufim and did i saw a "falls to level 28?" 28?? qufim?? O.o And was Princesss and Katsudo in same pt?
because if there was a level 20 with a 28 in party this is kinda odd, but hey you said it qufim is n00bland, and hmmm yea Princesss sucks i had a couple of people i know in party with him ; ; /comfort Zander
#4 Nov 24 2004 at 7:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I would rather level in the dunes then Qufim Island... Qufim is hell...
#5 Nov 24 2004 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't think i would've given them 100k even if it was my fault >.<
I would've said i was sorry and PLed them until they got their exp back. that's just me though :P
#6 Nov 24 2004 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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i agree that island is hell.
Just a little while ago i was taking a break frotm RDM and leveling my BLK there. "Trukin" was our leader (a thief)who insisted that we dont kill gobs since "its to dangerouse" insted we kill crabs ongoing for 100 ex each, MAX. I guess he had asked another member of our pty Kat- somthing rather to lend him arrows to pull. But , she didnt lend him any. Next thing we know he pulls a banshee to camp, by accident. after killing me and some other guy in the pty he goes on to say, " you can all thank kat!!! wouldnt have happened id she lent me arrows". i was like "OMFG are you kidding? Dont you dare blame other players for your bad pulling. And it not her job to keep you supplied with arrows" but why the hell would you PULL the banshee to camp. would you not pull it away from camp ?
Ohh i dont wanna this about that damn island >< im starting to get a head ache ; ;

Edited, Wed Nov 24 13:58:30 2004 by Pariis
#7 Nov 24 2004 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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i guess, that 100k is the consequence for being an idiot and training a mob around lower level players. sorry, it may be fun, but its pretty reckless. maybe try finding a safe way to show off to lowbies? and it is no way the white mage's fault. if you wouldn't have decided to train in the first place nothing would have happened.

i felt the same way about some idiot ranger who trained an overgrown rose to the kazham zone a couple days ago. if you feel the need to show off, try saving some parties by peeling agged mobs off them, etc. don't put them in danger for your own enjoyment.
#8 Nov 24 2004 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Lainn wrote:
i guess, that 100k is the consequence for being an idiot and training a mob around lower level players. sorry, it may be fun, but its pretty reckless. maybe try finding a safe way to show off to lowbies? and it is no way the white mage's fault. if you wouldn't have decided to train in the first place nothing would have happened.

i felt the same way about some idiot ranger who trained an overgrown rose to the kazham zone a couple days ago. if you feel the need to show off, try saving some parties by peeling agged mobs off them, etc. don't put them in danger for your own enjoyment.


Rate up.
#9 Nov 24 2004 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
Lainn wrote:
i guess, that 100k is the consequence for being an idiot and training a mob around lower level players. sorry, it may be fun, but its pretty reckless. maybe try finding a safe way to show off to lowbies? and it is no way the white mage's fault. if you wouldn't have decided to train in the first place nothing would have happened.

i felt the same way about some idiot ranger who trained an overgrown rose to the kazham zone a couple days ago. if you feel the need to show off, try saving some parties by peeling agged mobs off them, etc. don't put them in danger for your own enjoyment.


1) I think it's clear that he realized it was partly his fault. Hence paying the whm who died 100k as recompense. Rather than berating him further, I should think he deserves at least a nod in his direction for owning up to what was his fault, and trying his best to make it right.

2) The WHM wasn't who made the mistake that caused the loss of aggro.

3) If the person who cast Cure II had been doing so toward her own party I could understand it, but she cured Zander. Dumb mistake, considering curing the person who has the mob's attention results in more hate. Again, still not a big deal, if they hadn't thrown such a fit.

I can't speak for Zander, but I get the impression that the events that occurred weren't what angered him, it was the attitude leveled at him by Princesss, who was at least 50% responsible for what happened.
#10 Nov 24 2004 at 6:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Lainn wrote:
i guess, that 100k is the consequence for being an idiot and training a mob around lower level players. sorry, it may be fun, but its pretty reckless. maybe try finding a safe way to show off to lowbies? and it is no way the white mage's fault. if you wouldn't have decided to train in the first place nothing would have happened.

i felt the same way about some idiot ranger who trained an overgrown rose to the kazham zone a couple days ago. if you feel the need to show off, try saving some parties by peeling agged mobs off them, etc. don't put them in danger for your own enjoyment.


Reading the stats in your sig I am so sure you have never had something go wrong in your FFXI lifetime huh? Maybe you should reread my post a bit more carefully.

As for saving lowbie players. The reason I am still the level I am and not higher is because I spend my time helping random people all the time. Even patrolling the Dunes, The island, and the place I have affectionatly re-named Garbage *********

And please tell me that you would not be stupid enough to heal someone who is obviously a much higher level than you because you think you are doing something useful. That is plain stupidity we all know that's an easy way to steal hate. And that stupid Galka admitted to it too....

#11 Nov 24 2004 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I have had plenty of things go wrong. Example. I was xping with a party in Boyahda and accidentally hit my steal macro when close to one of the thousand wandering onions, almost causing a complete party wipe. Was it a dumb mistake? Yes. But it was unintentional. I stand by my point that intentionally training a mob that could wipe every party in the area is irresponsible and just plain stupid. Especially an area full of mostly inexperienced players. At level 20 did I have a real understanding of hate management? Not at all, I was an overnuking BLM my first time through. Point being you have no clue who is going to cast cure or do /something/ to pull agg from you. What happened was noone's fault but your own. It's actually very surprising that you are getting sympathetic replies.
#12 Nov 24 2004 at 8:03 PM Rating: Good
Lainn wrote:
What happened was noone's fault but your own. It's actually very surprising that you are getting sympathetic replies.


No, I would still argue that the loss of hate when this galka needlessly cured him was pretty damned dumb. Perhaps you didn't understand fairly basic hate control at that level, but most of the folk I've ever partied with (even folk on their first job) have understood it, at least to the extent that curing someone with mob aggro will tend to pull the mob off of them.

Compounding this with the fact that this errant curer got someone else killed, and that they threw a fit about something that was half their own fault, after Zander did what he could to rectify the situation, I don't think Zander deserves to be sh[/b]itcanned in this manner.

I think we all agree that dragging that mob around was pretty dumb too. What exactly are you trying to accomplish, other than to start a fight?

And as to who I chose to "sympathize" with, its really not something on which you have any right to make comment, especially a comment worded as such.

Take that kind of sh[b]
it to the flame thread.

[Edit: Word syntax order not in.]

Edited, Wed Nov 24 20:04:56 2004 by nataraja
#13 Nov 25 2004 at 1:17 AM Rating: Decent
First of all. I'm the person who Zander referred to as blaming him. First of all, I didn't send tell to him until he /shout harrasing princess in public. I was only telling him that it's still part of his fault, so just explain politely to princess or just ignore him, or at least.. keep it in private channel.

Also, the whm that got killed was a japanese so she didn't say anything about it afterwards. So we have no way to confirm that zander gave our whm 100k. I was never told about the 100k.

And also, you are just "Trying" to show off. I don't see how princess would decide to throw you a cure II if your HP is still close to full. The actual "show off" is to "having a pet" without getting beaten up like that. So please go back to valkrum dunes to show off. Besides.. you are bringing the mob in the area where there were already like 10 parties there. Please have consideration for the others.

Edited, Thu Nov 25 01:27:46 2004 by gogetoffxi
#14 Nov 25 2004 at 1:29 AM Rating: Decent
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OMG all you people talking about hate control automatically know that if you heal someone who has a mob on them you take that hate away Maybe I am a total n00b in thinking people with some kind of intellect actually play the game.

All of you who are saying I don't know hate control need to
re-evaluate the way you play this game, and also your responses to this thread. This was just a rant thread wanna take this to the Official Flame Thread?

Bring it on I say!

Edited to highlight one very important piece.

Edited, Thu Nov 25 01:35:31 2004 by zandertheredmage
#15 Nov 25 2004 at 1:30 AM Rating: Good
gogetoffxi wrote:
Also, the whm that got killed was a japanese so she didn't say anything about it afterwards. So we have no way to confirm that zander gave our whm 100k


For the record: My association in game with Zander has thus far left me confident that he did indeed pay the amount stated above.

I think this particular comment is in poor taste, honestly, as it has no substance behind it, serving only to put a poor light on Zander's integrity.

True, there is no proof that he did pay the WHM the amount stated. But I will stand forth and vouch for him as an honest player.

As to your other comments, as I was not there, I have no place in replying.
#16 Nov 25 2004 at 1:36 AM Rating: Default
ok sorry.. maybe I present it in a bad way .. I have no intention to degrade his integrity. But when I say him a /tell saying it's still part of his fault. he just send me a /tell in a very unpolitely way (not suitable in here) and he's not even trying to explain anything. He could have at least explained to us before decided to /shout in public to harras princess.

And also, he IS the the one who started this "The really @#%^ed up part about it is Princesss and Gogeto proceed to harass blaming me for their WHM's death." while I only sent him one tell. So what does that do to me ?!

Edited, Thu Nov 25 01:40:01 2004 by gogetoffxi
#17 Nov 25 2004 at 1:36 AM Rating: Good
zandertheredmage, Eater of Souls wrote:
OMG all you people talking about hate control automatically know that if you heal someone who has a mob on them you take that hate away.


Ehhh, Gogeto does have one point. As the mob kept hitting you, you were losing hate. Technically speaking, any given mob has a hate rating for every character that pisses it off. Every successful hit landed on you would lower your hate rating.

It was STILL a poor decision to heal him though. Cure spells rendered at the person who has the most hate will acrue larger quantities of hate than those aimed otherwise.

One other point I can offer on hate control is this. I've lost hate to Cure II before on my Paladin, after tossing a fresh voke and a Cure. Not often but it happens.

Something of a hijack, but I have this weird fascination with yaking about hate. =P
#18 Nov 25 2004 at 1:41 AM Rating: Good
gogetoffxi wrote:
ok sorry.. maybe I present it in a bad way .. I have no intention to degrade his integrity. But when I say him a /tell saying it's still part of his fault. he just send me a /tell in a very unpolitely way (not suitable in here) and he's not even trying to explain anything. He could have at least explained to us before decided to /shout in public to harras princess


A mistake occured. Tempers were lost. **** happens.

My recommendation to all involved would be to learn from it and let it go. And hopefully without holding grudges.

Grudges are tiring things to carry, and can really spoil your enjoyment of this game.

I've given enough 0.02 gil to amount to a fair sum of money in this thread, so I think I'll bow out for now. Unless something new catches my attention of course. =P
#19 Nov 25 2004 at 1:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Anyway like I stated before this was just a rant because I was upset just like you guys were upset that apparently I and I alone killed that WHM, at least I can own up to my involvement in that, But just like you didn't check your log to see when and why that mob turned on your party you did not see what Princesss was saying in /say mode, in any event like I said previously and will not say again, Sorry.

And I'm sure you would understand my position on why I responded the way I did to your /tell considering I'd been hearing it non-stop from the galka.


Live and let go eh?

Edited, Thu Nov 25 01:46:16 2004 by zandertheredmage
#20 Nov 25 2004 at 1:47 AM Rating: Decent
So you're saying that whenever a whm cures you... the mob is going to turn to the whm ??!?!? The whm does take the hate from you but it also depends on how much hate you are holding. The whm is not going to take away 100% of your hate. All I was saying is that you are not holding enough hate, which you need to do to ensure nobody else gets hurt!



Edited, Thu Nov 25 02:10:17 2004 by gogetoffxi
#21 Nov 25 2004 at 1:55 AM Rating: Decent
btw.. I did check the log to see what's going on...... However I admit I don't know what's going on between you and princess .. the only thing I saw was the shout ... so I decided to send you a tell and what response did I get ?!

You feel the need for rant ?! What about me ?! You're the one starting this thread. How about you "Live and let go eh?"
#22 Nov 25 2004 at 2:13 AM Rating: Good
This has officially gotten out of hand.

Smiley: clap

At this point you aren't even talking about the situation Gogeto, you're talking about a personal beef with Zander that resulted from the situation.

Take it to the goddamned PM system if you want to resolve it, or take it to the Flame Thread, located here if you want to slander Zander publicly.

Edited, Thu Nov 25 02:15:35 2004 by nataraja
#23 Nov 25 2004 at 2:20 AM Rating: Decent
Sorry .. I lost my temper seeing all this posts.. I'll take this somewhere else. I apologize for all these.
#24 Nov 25 2004 at 2:23 AM Rating: Good
Thank you.

[Edit: Like some of my edit notes, it would appear that my signature has also gotten longer than my posts. >< ]

Edited, Thu Nov 25 02:25:05 2004 by nataraja
#25 Nov 25 2004 at 3:06 AM Rating: Decent
Zander, do you ever do anything but whine? All I ever see from you on these boards is some kind of rant, or *****, or complaint. It's getting to be a bit annoying. I have no idea why you find it necessary to do this but you seriously need to stop. Grow up, or learn to enjoy this game, or somehting. Your rants are pathetic and annoying and no one wants to hear it. Learn to deal with your problems instead of whining for sympathy. Stop cluttering up the boards with this pointless nonsense and get over it. I don't want to hear this **** anymore.

Edited, Thu Nov 25 03:08:11 2004 by kulganflame
#26 Nov 25 2004 at 3:12 AM Rating: Good
I'm requesting that this thread be locked.

Ranting is generally accepted in this particular community. Flaming is not.

If you don't want to see someone's rants, don't reply. That's the quickest way to bury it.

Edited, Thu Nov 25 03:34:15 2004 by nataraja
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