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Gil Farmers: Evil or Good?Follow

#1 Nov 07 2004 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright, yes I realize that Gil Farms do ***** with the entire economy and leave those with no money high and dry. Trust me I'm at that spot right now but there are a few things I would like to bring to mind:

1)The Gil farmers most likely do this as their full time job from what I understand, and though this is kind of weird, this is also very important to keep in mind.

2) This is only a video game (I know I said it...), these people that can make real money off of this should deserve too if they are willing to put so much time into it.

3) Getting PLed in a party with the "Zooe" farmers was very fun and an easy way to get my paladin rolling through the dunes one night, not saying this will happen to many of us but if it does close down your schedule.

Just some thoughts to keep in mind about the Gil Farmers, not that I particularly like them taking the NM's around, I almost had Hoo Mjuu until one came up just before me and took it, now I have a grand total of 2,000 gil and need somewhat of 250,000 for Phalanx and Dispel and what have you.

~Ram
#2 Nov 07 2004 at 10:10 PM Rating: Excellent
Gil selling for a career is a lot like telemarketing for a career. Have at it, have fun, pull your paycheck, but you better be prepared to be hated with visceral force by most of the public you come in contact with while pulling your paycheck.

I'd understand if the pay for gilselling was spectacular, but it's not, it sucks. Final verdict, gilsellers are simply too lazy to go out and get real jobs, and would rather sit around and farm monotonously for days on end, going slowly insane.

***** 'em.
#3 Nov 07 2004 at 10:10 PM Rating: Decent
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There are some polite and mostly rude gil sellers, but gil selling IS a violation of the Terms of Service for FFXI. They break the rules that all players agree to when playing FFXI, which is why I will not associate myself with them, nor help them in any way.

They are still people, and I won't be rude to them, but I will not help them in any way, so I generally ignore them as much as possible. If you help gil farmers, you are helping break the Terms of Service that you agree to.
#4 Nov 07 2004 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I don't help them I just so happened to have come across an oppurtunity to party with them, and in my blissfull ignorance I didn't realize that they were gillsellers. In fact I've really only just learned of this and am starting to hate them and do the usual ignore and get real mad at the Redapple group for taking my logging spots in Gheslba OP.

But if the pay really sucks I have to agree why do it, but I don't really know the pay off for it.

~Ram
#5 Nov 07 2004 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I personally think they are neither. They're just other players to me. I fail to see why one player earning cash is any different from your character earning cash. Just because you feel that what they do affects you in some negative way doesn't make them evil. They're just trying to pull a paycheck like all of us (I would hope at least most of us >.>). Anyway, having said that, I have some other comments.

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Well, I don't help them I just so happened to have come across an oppurtunity to party with them, and in my blissfull ignorance I didn't realize that they were gillsellers. In fact I've really only just learned of this and am starting to hate them and do the usual ignore and get real mad at the Redapple group for taking my logging spots in Gheslba OP.


I don't see how they are YOUR logging points. Would you get real mad at me if I was logging in Ghelsba too? Or any other "non-gil-seller?" I don't see the difference...



Edited, Sun Nov 7 23:06:46 2004 by PhoebyTaru
#6 Nov 07 2004 at 11:16 PM Rating: Good
Ramor wrote:
1)The Gil farmers most likely do this as their full time job from what I understand, and though this is kind of weird, this is also very important to keep in mind.


I'd like you to keep in mind that people sell crack to kids as a full time job, so this point is rather moot

to elaborate my point, gil farmers(or sellers if you prefer) are breaking the ToS by making money off of the game

on the same token, crack dealers are obviously breaking the law

in the case of gil sellers, are breaking the "law of the game" so really it is all the same thing

btw, my vote is evil, for both gil farmers, and crack dealers
#7 Nov 07 2004 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I used to work full-time interviewing people just out of car accidents. I made money. That does not make that way of making a living right.

Granted, making money by destroying a video-game economy isn't exactly as destructive as what I mentioned. It is destructive though. And not at all a respectable way to make cash.

Most people play this game as a way to escape reality, for whatever reason they need to. (Work stress release, you name it.) To find your attempt to relax thwarted by a bunch of rude-asses is frustrating -- especially since all of us pay to play and it's just not fun to lose some of the value of the REAL money you pay because you can't make gil as easily or are forced to spend more because you need an item that is in a gil-seller chokehold.

Yeah, yeah, they pay to play too...but they aren't really playing. They're working, and their work intrudes on our play.

And fyi -- getting PLed by gilsellers doesn't make them good either. PLing can be destructive too, since being PLed means you don't need good equipment, or to know how to play your jobclass. Now, if you've gotten your main job to 50 and your subjob to 25 in a totally legitimate way, more power to you. Going through the Dunes at least twice without help makes you really appreciate party makeup and experienced players. Anyone who has never gotten a job to 30 completely without outside, higher level help, makes me wary and I'd actually be surprised if at 31 when they get their first REAL party, they did well. You learn a lot in those early levels.

Oh, and almost only counts in horseshoes.

That's my vote. Gilsellers = anti-players
#8 Nov 07 2004 at 11:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I personally think they are neither. They're just other players to me. I fail to see why one player earning cash is any different from your character earning cash. Just because you feel that what they do affects you in some negative way doesn't make them evil. They're just trying to pull a paycheck like all of us (I would hope at least most of us >.>).


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I don't see how they are YOUR logging points. Would you get real mad at me if I was logging in Ghelsba too? Or any other "non-gil-seller?" I don't see the difference...


For me anyway, the issue with gilsellers isn't the fact that they're occupying the same space, farming the same mobs, mining the same points etc. When I'm farming, I couldn't care less is another player is doing the same thing, and the same goes for any helm activity like logging, mining, harvesting etc.

The issue isn't the fact that they're there, it's the hell they wreak with the concept of fair play.
I can't think of a better analogy, but say you and two other people are playing a game of whack the gopher. You know, those games they have at arcades, with the mallets and the plastic gophers.
If the three of you stand there and try to get as many as you can, on an individual basis, you're probably going to get about the same amount; more or less accoding to reflexes and skill. But it'll work out about even, because it's just a game, no one is making life or death of it, and you can have a good time.

Now, the guy who whacks gophers for MONEY.
He stands there day and night at the machine, whacking gophers. He learns more about the pattern of the gopher pops than any passerby that just wants to play the damn game is going to have. When someone else comes to PLAY that game, oh, you can bet our paid gopher-smacker is going to be unreasonably aggressive about it, and throw in dirty tactics if he thinks he can.
Well, if you're still getting too many of his gophers, he'll bring a friend along next time, and they'll both work against you, hovering over every possible pop.
Eventually, everyone else gets sick of playing what has become a non-game. There might be a few that take some joy in beating him at his own game, but not many. Most don't find it worth the stress.

I know you're prolly following me, so I'll just leave it at that. They make the game extremely non-fun, and that's my quarter they're pissing me off on. What's worse is that I know it WOULD be fun, if the paid gopher-whacker would go find another game to play. But day in and day out, there he is.
#9 Nov 08 2004 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
I was PL'd for a very short period of time in the dunes, and then a killer PL pt in Qufim. (not by a gil-seller, so this is somewhat off-topic, but I'm replying to an earlier post).

I actually don't think it had any serious detriment on my learning or skill.

But I do agree that the more you are PL'd on a given job, the more this is likely to have an impact on these areas.
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