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#27 Nov 08 2004 at 2:42 AM Rating: Good
ok, I see that people dont like chatspeak....

well think about it this way... while you are typing out congrats and everyone else uses the auto translator, then in a party situation you are creating down time


dont we already have enough down time as it is?
#28 Nov 08 2004 at 3:14 AM Rating: Decent
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IMHO ORZ is in the same category as any other internet lingo out there we used it so much (at least those that came in contact with it) that it represent a verb, a word that denote an action or a state. ORZ in this case represents I GIVE UP. I don't even know why you brought this up, seems very pointless to me. Using Orz is inaccurate? what is accurate? IFOTFOMKGU? (I fell on the floor on my knees giving up?)


I'm sorry if I disagree, I don't use orz at all if as a verb. I also don't need pronounce it out loud to denote its action, much like ':P' because it serves as a basic 'emote' (insofar as an emote can be defined). It's not a verb.

If you're going to be dismissive and defensive when I was trying to make simple point, then I suppose there is no point.
#29 Nov 08 2004 at 3:30 AM Rating: Decent
Personally i don't type congradulations! i just type gratz >.< or wtg...just the auto-translator makes it seem....fake...
#30 Nov 08 2004 at 4:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry for continuing the "pwned" discussion, but I heard it was created when people playing online fpshooters killed enemies so dramatically, that while typing "u got owned!" they got too excited and typed too fast causing the "pwned".
#31 Nov 08 2004 at 5:45 AM Rating: Good
Regarding many player's spastic auto-translating.

I'm guilty of this myself. Sometimes I use it just to short-cut and still have full words in there. Congratulations is a good example. Gratz drives me nuts, and by extension any word that has a z where no z has any right to be drives me equally insane.

Please is another good example.

At the end of the day, having those little green and red brackets in there is worlds better than plz and gratz.

Besides, I've been in the company of multi-national parties, and it certainly saves a lot of time if I can hit cong[Tab] rather than type out omedeto and congratulations both, for example.

I realize that in the company of an entirely english-speaking party using the auto-translate is somewhat moot, but I think it's good to keep the habit up. Practice makes perfect. =P

A bit of a rambling post, sorry. Haven't slept in a while. ^^
#32 Nov 08 2004 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry if I disagree, I don't use orz at all if as a verb. I also don't need pronounce it out loud to denote its action, much like ':P' because it serves as a basic 'emote' (insofar as an emote can be defined). It's not a verb.

If you're going to be dismissive and defensive when I was trying to make simple point, then I suppose there is no point.



Guess we have to agree to disagree then. ORZ


#33 Nov 08 2004 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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I'm gonna side with Winawer here with agreeing that the language in which we speak online is, if I understand correctly his post, an evolution of the language. It makes perfect sense in a society where waiting for a fast food order longer than 1:30 min is *gasp* unacceptable. Why not quicken the way we speak to each other. In a rush-rush world, abeit online but still holds true, we don't necessarily have time to type out full words because other priorities. Here are my reasonings:

1. multi-tasking. If you're gonna talk 2-3 people at the same time, let's face it, you just don't have the time to type all that in 'long' form.

2. Lag. Try typing perfectly in Jueno. Try it.

3. Being just plain lazy. As human nature, we will always take the path of least resistance. It's a constant you can certainly count on. If you can make your point across in a way that's easier than the next, of course you're gonna use that way.

Now when it comes to words like (lets see if I can reproduce this correctly) 11suxxox101ono11one1111 (no idea what i just said lol) but it seems to me someone just **** on the keyboard when they write something like that. Like a trained monkey randomly typing keys.

#34 Nov 08 2004 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
Vimien diseminated my full opinion on this subject, which I have thus far been too sleepy-headed to divulge from the depths of the weary pile of goo that is currently passing itself off as a functioning brain; namely mine.

As such Vim has received a well-earned rate-up.

[Edit: The fact that I editted this post solely to change a colon to a semi-colon should tell you a great deal about the retentiveness of my ****. Such that while I had previously considered purchasing a premium account and giving myself the title of Nataraja the ****-retentive, I now speculate that doing so has been rendered moot by this post. The whole world is now aware that I am, at least grammatically speaking, an ****-retentive little dork. And it's a sad day when your edit-note exceeds the length of the post you intended to edit. It is further sad when you edit twice more to correct errors in your edit-note. I have come to the conclusion that I should commit myself to a mental institute. Good day.]

Edited, Mon Nov 8 09:05:08 2004 by nataraja
#35 Nov 08 2004 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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[Edit: The fact that I editted this post solely to change a colon to a semi-colon should tell you a great deal about the retentiveness of my ****. Such that while I had previously considered purchasing a premium account and giving myself the title of Nataraja the ****-retentive, I now speculate that doing so has been rendered moot by this post. The whole world is now aware that I am, at least grammatically speaking, an ****-retentive little dork. And it's a sad day when your edit-note exceeds the length of the post you intended to edit. It is further sad when you edit twice more to correct errors in your edit-note. I have come to the conclusion that I should commit myself to a mental institute. Good day.]


rate up just for making me laugh on a monday morning at work. Weird looks are now directed my way. HA!
#36 Nov 08 2004 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
/bow

At your service.

The fact that I gave someone a good Monday start AND a rate-up resulting in Sage status gives ME a good Monday start. ^.^
#37 Nov 08 2004 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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Orz is a simple form of ASCII art to indicate a person on their hands and knees, head bent. It's not in the same category as 'lol', 'lmao', or 'gtg' and doesn't even constitute as a real word. I realize you were trying to be ironic by using Japanese internet slang in the place of English internet abbreviations or slang, but it's inaccurate.

To quote this site (http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/ASCII%20art)

"A simple example of Japanese style of the Ascii art is "orz" and represents a man on all four kneeling in an expression of the despair. "o" is the head, "r" is arms and shoulders, and "z" is the back and bent legs. "

Just thought I'd point that out. ._.


Smiley: lol

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OMG PLZ TELL ME YOU DID NOT JUST PULL A CAPTAIN INTARNETT ON ME!!!!
#38 Nov 08 2004 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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omg...I'm a sage now? /bow goes to you my dear.
#39 Nov 08 2004 at 9:48 AM Rating: Decent
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The internet is not doing anything. People will learn bad grammer from just about anywhere, that includes the internet. And they will make the same mistake both on and offline.


Don't blame the internet. People have nothing to blame but themselves. If you think the Internet if evil, stop using it.
#40 Nov 08 2004 at 10:25 AM Rating: Default


Edited, Mon Nov 8 10:25:22 2004 by juggernautical
#41 Nov 08 2004 at 12:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've been playing online games for a few years now, and this topic has shown up in almost every game I've played. People calling each other out on the way their sentences are worded.

Now, I'm a pretty laid back guy. I have no problems reading 'lol' or 'rofl' or 'brt' or 'omw' or stuff like that. What really bothers me is the so-called "l33t" speak.

Stuff like 'suxxorz' or 'roxxorz' (did I get those right?) makes me cringe whenever I see them on the screen. I understand that people use these expressions to try and get across the intensity of their emotion at the time. Saying, "i was defeated" is not nearly as expressive as saying, "man, i got the sh*t beat out of me."

I try to let it slide, however. People will be people, and while I try to use proper grammar (most of the time, anyway), I too have slipped up once in a while. I'll just keep cringing and interpreting 'roxxorz' as "wow, that was freaking awesome!" and 'suxxorz' as "that sucked more than an Amsterdam *****."

--Arondight, Bismarck

Incidentally, I hate using the term 'lol'. I've always prefered 'hahaha'. 3 ha's are the standard. More for when I'm really laughing hard, or a simple 'heh' for the smirk or chuckle. Isn't that wierd?

Edit: Vimien's a sage? Man... they'll give anybody sage status these days... ^^

Edited, Mon Nov 8 12:52:22 2004 by sagashe
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#42 Nov 08 2004 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Arondight wrote:
Edit: Vimien's a sage? Man... they'll give anybody sage status these days... ^^


Probably upgraded me because I've been able to put up with you all this time ;).

on a side note, I rated you up so you, one day, can have the honor of being a 'sage' on a 'game' message board..man I feel special
#43 Nov 08 2004 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
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[hijack]!

Vimien wrote:
on a side note, I rated you up so you, one day, can have the honor of being a 'sage' on a 'game' message board..man I feel special


Wow... forget your morning coffee, Vim? Thanks for the rate up, though. Didn't know you cared. Favor repayed, debt cancelled.

[/hijack]

So, um... yeah. The English language... LOVE it!

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#44 Nov 08 2004 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
Which brings to mind something I was thinking about not too long ago.

I've noticed that generally when people use lol they tend to mean more of a chuckle than actually laughing outloud.

After that comes LOL, to indicate that they are perhaps chuckling a little bit more.

then lmao, rofl, lmfao, roflmao, etc etc etc.

Yes I know I have too much time on my hands. =P
#45 Nov 09 2004 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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That's a good point, Nata. As soon as you said it, it clicked, and I realized "Hey! That's a good point!" ^^

I dunno what it is about 'lol' that I don't like. If you were to sit me down and do a 3 hour psychological profile, you wouldn't be able to figure it out (because you'd get bogged down with all the other sh*t that's in my head, but anyway...).

It's gonna drive me nuts again, trying to pinpoint the origin of my distaste for that term... oh well, another wasted 2 hours of my life. Thanks, Nata. ^^

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#46 Nov 09 2004 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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The Z stuff to. ***** Z. That letter belongs in zebra and zooje, not in an abbreviation for 'laugh out loud'.



....You forgot Zariko, you *****. I love you, Sioux. Don't hurt me.

I...honestly don't give a flying **** about grammar or the like in this game, it's not one of my forum based(playbypost)RPG's, so the skill level, nor the player should be judged by their proper grammar, and/or misuse.

Other than that, My good buddy Nation has commented on my nearly perfect grammar. What a *******

I hope my post was informative, if not...Go **** yourself!
#47 Nov 12 2004 at 5:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Just to throw a little something up here. I mentioned pogo.com in my last post, and have decided as of today to start logging the chats that I see...namely because they ALL seem to be in the wrong conduit when they come up. People will talk about the most private stuff in these "rooms" and not care.

And so, my first entry

Note the typos, use of abbreviations, and inappropriate conversation piece for being in a room of over 25 people. This is where the majority of the nation's education is.

/le sigh

edit: to fix link

Edited, Fri Nov 12 05:17:24 2004 by Hyla

Edited, Fri Nov 12 05:20:48 2004 by Hyla
#48 Nov 12 2004 at 6:33 AM Rating: Good
I should have known better than to try and read that at this time of morning. My brain hurts.

*goes to bed*

God, what if I have nightmares about being trapped in a chat room with that kind of talk now?

/panic
#49 Nov 12 2004 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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I have no idea what that conversation was about...at all. Not even a clue. From what I read..it seems someone was having bad day? and cops were involved. That's it.
#50 Nov 12 2004 at 6:00 PM Rating: Decent
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My point exactly.

I think what is even more sad is that they understood each other perfectly.
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