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#1 Oct 29 2004 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Nov 2 is election day. I am asking for all of you to please get out and vote. It is very important to all of us who live here. I know this is off the topic of these forums but I have to try and get the point across to vote.

Edited, Fri Oct 29 15:03:29 2004 by Magvius
#2 Oct 29 2004 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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i second that. as i always say.. if you don't vote, you have no right to complain.

ok. this is all i have to say. no flaming... ^_^

Edited, Fri Oct 29 15:09:02 2004 by Kakashisan
#3 Oct 29 2004 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
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In this form it will not turn out to be political war that it is right now in reality. And no rate downs either please.
#4 Oct 29 2004 at 2:41 PM Rating: Default
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I'll be voting for Bush, of course. But I don't think people should encourage EVERYONE to vote. Why? Because simply there's a larrrrrge amount of people (especially younger people) who don't know much but what they've heard from the biased media and are no better informed than with what they get from Fahreneheit 9/11 or the Swift Boat vets for truth. (And if you're voting over Fahrenheit 9/11....then...don't, get INFORMED with the TRUTH and get an UNBIASED source!)
#5 Oct 29 2004 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm moving to Canada, ***** this country!

Ugh... I live in this country and I'm not voting.
#6 Oct 29 2004 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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I agree, everyone who is of age should exercise their right to vote.

However, can we please withhold our own politcal opinions from this. I rather not see this turn into a flame war.
#7 Oct 29 2004 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Just because you express your right to vote.. doesn't mean our votes decide the election.

#8 Oct 29 2004 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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Just because you express your right to vote.. doesn't mean our votes decide the election.


Aye, tis likely true. I'm actually in your camp, however I doubt I'd have much luck finding a job in Canada (unless someone wants to hook me up! I'll have my B.S. in Computer Science in May!). But that also opens up the whole debate of the (in)effectiveness/out-datedness (is that even a word?) of the electoral college and progressive thoughts on reforming the current model.
#9 Oct 29 2004 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Everyone has a Voice and an Opinion and the only way to use it is the Vote on Tuesday so Plz no matter what you Bias is Plz Vote Ty all

Edited, Fri Oct 29 16:13:05 2004 by Machtaru
#10 Oct 29 2004 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Your opinion is not expressed through voting. I don't care what anyone says. The Electoral College decides the election. Everytime. They "base" their decision off of the citizens votes. A state could have 76% Bush 21% Kerry 3% Independent and the Electoral College could give the state to Kerry, if they chose.
#11 Oct 29 2004 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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This isn't just a presidential election. You're going to be voting for local officers, propositions and initiatives that directly affect you and your community. Also, try to get informed. You'll be hard pressed to find an ubiased source of information so research, listen to both sides of the issues and make up your own decision. Vote and vote often.

and yes, i think the electoral college is outdated and needs to be changed to a popular vote.

i know i said i wasn't going to be adding anything..
so sue me ^_^ that's it. for realios.


Edited, Fri Oct 29 16:31:46 2004 by Kakashisan
#12 Oct 29 2004 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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As a Canadian, who follows what happens to my southern friends, I don't relish your choices. I don't like either of them....

Good Luck Nov. 2!


on a serious note:

Some of you are right... Get the straight **** on these two and vote. Your country's soldiers die so that you have that right. Honour them on Nov. 2.
#13 Oct 29 2004 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I dont want get started on the Electoral College and how a president got voted in but lost by 500,000votes on the popular vote but it is our democratic system i guess. I do agree that there should not be one. All votes as like local offices should be on popular vote only
#14 Oct 29 2004 at 3:45 PM Rating: Default
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dont forget..

NOV 15th!!! thats when AT&T becomes Cingular wireless!!!

woot!! i am gonna be rich!!
#15 Oct 29 2004 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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They are all decieptful crooks. I vote for me.
#16 Oct 29 2004 at 4:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, I have to disagree. If you don't know anything about politics, and you don't know what either of the candidates stand for and are only going on what your friends tell you because you have no interest in politics, or couldn't even name the VP running mates, PLEASE DO NOT VOTE. You have no business influencing an election if you don't understand politics and people's positions.

-Tweed
#17 Oct 29 2004 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
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/nod
#18 Oct 29 2004 at 5:13 PM Rating: Decent
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"OmniscientUnlimited" wrote:
Your opinion is not expressed through voting. I don't care what anyone says. The Electoral College decides the election. Everytime. They "base" their decision off of the citizens votes. A state could have 76% Bush 21% Kerry 3% Independent and the Electoral College could give the state to Kerry, if they chose.


most states have laws in place where if the electorates don't vote for the majority decision by the people they face potential jail time and/or removal from office.
States like colorado have proportional voting so if say 33% voted Bush, 33% Kerry, 33% Nader, they'd give 3 votes to each candidate. I don't support two party system. I typically vote for third party candidates.


That said, PLEASE PLEASE PLESASE vote!!

I don't care if you vote for Bush, Kerry, Nader, or write in the name of you local Mithra chieftainess, just get out and vote!!

-Ham
#19 Oct 29 2004 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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The electoral process was put in place to prevent the bickering between the States. The United States of America was born out of a league of semi independent states that guarded their rights with jealousy. The electoral process is there to prevent the typical "vote for someone because he's from my region" mentality. Even though people do that now anyways, (hence the candidate's state almost, with a few exceptions, always voted for their candidate). The electoral process is created to lessen the blow from that effect. Also Each States, is designed simlarly to the Federal states with a head of state (governor) and legislature. The United States is not one country like France or Great Britain, we focused more on regional independence.

Hence look at Electoral process as 50 countries putting in a vote for a leader using local popular votes as decision makers. True this will bring up the strategy of discarding the smaller states and focus more on the bigger states. But States, as selfish as they does not want another state's popular votes to influenced their own decision. Hence californian who voted for a candidate does not want THEIR outcome affected by someone from Rhode Island. This is not true democracy yes, but its one of the device used to balance the power accross a very vast nation.

Edited, Fri Oct 29 18:45:42 2004 by Bowser
#20 Oct 29 2004 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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Oh and one other thing I'd like to add. Perhaps if some people here do not want the new voters to base their decisions off of "documentaries" or the "biased media", then providing a link to some form of "unbiased truth" would be in order yes? I definitely agree voting just to say you voted is not a wise choice, but if you can provide a good source to get more accurate info than this biased media it'd be nice.

I asked my friend in August if he was gonna get off his *** and register to vote and who he'd vote for. He told me who, and when I asked why, he couldn't really tell me anything about the candidate. >< And as someone else said, do not ignore the local votes!

(and btw, I have not watched Michael Moore's most recent film. I won't go into why, but I thought I'd throw that out so no one takes me saying "documentaries" the wrong way. I don't have any opinion on the film as I have not seen it yet.)
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I dont want get started on the Electoral College and how a president got voted in but lost by 500,000votes on the popular vote but it is our democratic system i guess. I do agree that there should not be one. All votes as like local offices should be on popular vote only


And thank God the electoral college was in place at that time! Thank God, THANK GOD!

And do you know that some democrats wouldn't have been pres without it as well?
#22 Oct 29 2004 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes i do, Hence the Reases we should NOT have that system in Place. It takes Away from the American Public's Right to Choose.

BTW, if you think i am a Democrat i am Not, I am a Declared Independent.

Edit: Can we please not turn this into a Politcal Flame Thread, It was a thread simply created to remind all of those in the US to vote on Tuesday. No Matter who you candidate is just vote.

Edited, Fri Oct 29 20:07:34 2004 by Machtaru
#23 Oct 29 2004 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
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Vote. Vote because you have the privilege to do so. Vote because you have a responsibility to be involved in your own future.

To those saying "Don't vote if you don't know the facts" I wish that attitude were criminal. I will guarantee to you none of us have all the facts. We have the propaganda we choose to embrace and the propaganda we choose to discard, while very very few -- mostly those who do it as a part of their job -- dig deep enough to get better than talking points and morale speeches.

I submit to you that none of us know much, but we judge based on character and like-minded values, we judge based on hope and on guesses and the influence of people whose opinions we respect. Not on facts. Facts are difficult to obtain in a blog society.

Vote even if you don't have all the facts. Vote even if you're not a staunch supporter on one side or the other. Vote even when people tell you not to, because often these people mean to do you harm.

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The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality. -- Dante
#24 Oct 29 2004 at 7:25 PM Rating: Default
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There's a reason why the 300 or so proposed amendment to changed to popular votes over the last century failed, it does not work in this country. We as States bonded together by a federal government works best under Electoral college not popular vote. American public's right to chose is over shadowed by our regional state interest, hence Electoral is one of the tool device to create harmony, blame the forefathers for creating the country the way it is.
#25 Oct 29 2004 at 9:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not registered to vote, and I don't think I want to vote this time around. I don't trust either of these men. They've blown this so out of proportion that the only thing I've gathered is

Bush is a warmonger, money spending, self righteous egomaniac
Kerry is a hippie liberal, a coward, and arrogant as all get out
Nader is old, and is just running for the hell of it

Obviously there's more to this election than this, but this is all I've gathered from commercials and the debates (which I didn't watch too intently).

I don't want to vote if I don't understand what the candidates' standpoints are here. They're doing nothing but lying and mudslinging and milking 9/11 for all its worth. God bless politics.



Edited, Fri Oct 29 22:39:10 2004 by seraphimhunter
#26 Oct 29 2004 at 10:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Unbiased information source ahoy: www.democracynet.org

DemocracyNet, by the League of Women Voters. Put in your US ZIP code and it will give you a list of all candidates in your local area, and if available, links to information about them.
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