I don’t know if it’s just because I have been leveling in the dunes, qufim and kazham, but it seems that more than 50% of the invites I get, come with no /tell included. Personally, I find it rude when someone invites with no /tell. Even a simple “PT?” will do. That gives me the chance to find out what jobs are in the PT, lvl range, etc. I don’t believe that I am the only person who finds it rude, so if you are one of those people, please send a /tell prior. If I do get an invite with no /tell, I automatically decline it. It shows me that you are an inexperienced player. Being a BRD, I have the ability to decline these invites and still get a PT fairly soon. Back when I was leveling THF, I took any invite I could get.
Next topic…..Leaving a PT. I know that there are some times where you have to get up and leave right then with no prior notice. But please, If you are going to leave, tell the leader 20-30min prior, and find a replacement. It’s not fair to the other players who now have to sit around and wait for a replacement to arrive.
AFKs…..We all need breaks every once in awhile. But every 3 fights? Please take into consideration that others are sitting around waiting for you. And if your in the middle of a chain, if it can wait, let it wait, please.
I don’t mean to rant but when this stuff happens time after time, it gets on my nerves and I’m sure it gets on other’s nerves too.
Now about those GilFarmers….KILL EM ALL!!!
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I agree with you completely on all of those, unfortunately for us WHMs and other mages its hard to find a replacement. Even if I give an hours warning I can't always find a replacement in that time and have to leave. I hate doing that but please know we try to.
EDIT: Fixed spelling error
Edited, Thu Oct 28 10:58:12 2004 by Tens
EDIT: Fixed spelling error
Edited, Thu Oct 28 10:58:12 2004 by Tens
Yea its always a bummer when the main healer has to leave. I always find it funny when they ask me to get another BRD replacement. Theres so few of us on Bismarck.
I find that if my invite tag is up, it's pretty much saying "Invite me," but I truly do agree, and would much prefer a tell. I don't get mad though, I just go into the party, and if I don't like what I see, I tell them, and then probably leave.
However,
by the time you get to Jeuno, a blind invite is simply not acceptable, because there, an invite could be anything, anywhere. You need to know what's going on there.
And even more infuriating is a blind invite when you're NOT seeking. Personally I don't think that should even be allowed. I'm constantly getting that when I level jobs in Konschtat, or even worse, my WHM (lv 52) gets them there too, because they wanted a raise. No asking, they just invite. Usually spam inviting.
That's my take on the situation. If I'm lfg, I'll check it out, but would prefer a tell. If not, no tell = no party. And if I have it in my search comment to send a tell first, and they don't, /decline instantaneously.
And personally, a simple "PT?" drives me absolutely INSANE. Makes me say "well DUH genius!"
However,
by the time you get to Jeuno, a blind invite is simply not acceptable, because there, an invite could be anything, anywhere. You need to know what's going on there.
And even more infuriating is a blind invite when you're NOT seeking. Personally I don't think that should even be allowed. I'm constantly getting that when I level jobs in Konschtat, or even worse, my WHM (lv 52) gets them there too, because they wanted a raise. No asking, they just invite. Usually spam inviting.
That's my take on the situation. If I'm lfg, I'll check it out, but would prefer a tell. If not, no tell = no party. And if I have it in my search comment to send a tell first, and they don't, /decline instantaneously.
And personally, a simple "PT?" drives me absolutely INSANE. Makes me say "well DUH genius!"
Agreed Surreal. I have taken to hiding my info while not seeking pt. I don't ever seem to get invites when I do that. Otherwise I can't run past certain areas with certain job without getting spammed to death with invites, and that with no flag up.
It seems to me we could all learn something from the JP players. They always send a tell first, at least in my case.
I will admit to inviting without a tell first (once, ok maybe twice, but that's stopped) and the person accepted, but then told me to send a tell first next time, and so I do. They were cool about it and explained why. I told them it was only because of the competition in finding pt members (whm if I remember correctly) in the dunes that the invite was sent minus a tell. Sometimes waiting for a tell response means you lose the person to another pt who won't send the tell first. They agreed with my reason, but said a tell first is just polite.
I have learned. Hopefully more will.
It seems to me we could all learn something from the JP players. They always send a tell first, at least in my case.
I will admit to inviting without a tell first (once, ok maybe twice, but that's stopped) and the person accepted, but then told me to send a tell first next time, and so I do. They were cool about it and explained why. I told them it was only because of the competition in finding pt members (whm if I remember correctly) in the dunes that the invite was sent minus a tell. Sometimes waiting for a tell response means you lose the person to another pt who won't send the tell first. They agreed with my reason, but said a tell first is just polite.
I have learned. Hopefully more will.
I agree with where you are coming from Surreal. I have found that since I have hit level 55 I have been getting more and more invites at the most strangest times. But what has been occuring now is I will recieve /tells saying "Party?" and that is it. I am usually busy at the time but I will ask what the party is composed of and once they respond if it looks promising I drop what I am doing and join. If not I simply say {I'm Sorry. I'm Busy.} But recently, I have had people continue to send me /tells begging me to join their party even after saying no. I usually ignore them at this point but it does become rather annoying. ><
Personally if I get an invite I don't care if no tells when I have my flag up I want to party. I take offense to the tells asking if I want to pt when I do have my flag up and have my party comment up. I'm thinking I ahve my flag up for a reason no need to send tells.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Not everyone operates on the same courtesy ruleset that you do, and trying to follow the rules can make it five times harder to get a party going in the higher-demand areas.
Would you stop to send a /tell to a WHM in Valkurm before inviting? The odds are pretty damn good that your response will be "Sorry, I'm in a party already." because you took the time to type a message instead of trying to beat five other parties to the Invite button.
I do agree - once you get to Jeuno, a blind invite is bad form, but the rules vary for some jobs more than others. My main is THF. I'll take any invite I can get, and I'm not going to ruin my chances of getting recruited by asking questions or implying any criticism of choices or behavior on the part of the party leader.
Not everyone operates on the same courtesy ruleset that you do, and trying to follow the rules can make it five times harder to get a party going in the higher-demand areas.
Would you stop to send a /tell to a WHM in Valkurm before inviting? The odds are pretty damn good that your response will be "Sorry, I'm in a party already." because you took the time to type a message instead of trying to beat five other parties to the Invite button.
I do agree - once you get to Jeuno, a blind invite is bad form, but the rules vary for some jobs more than others. My main is THF. I'll take any invite I can get, and I'm not going to ruin my chances of getting recruited by asking questions or implying any criticism of choices or behavior on the part of the party leader.
Kill them all and let God give them haircuts!
I'm of two minds about this - there are times I vastly prefer a /tell first, and there are times I won't care terribly much. The difference is whether my fiance and I are playing together or not.
These days, we've taken to setting up parties ourselves to avoid the hassle of seeking a party with two open slots, but I prefer a /tell when we're together - if there aren't slots in a party for both of us, then I want to know that so I can decline.
I haven't gone into the Dunes when I haven't been with him (we don't want to chance a level gap that would make it hard for us to play together), but if I wasn't, I'd probably take the blind invite, take my chances, and if it really sucks, stick it out till I can find a replacement or the party implodes.
I don't like blind invites when I'm not seeking, and I REALLY don't like the old "So, wanna ditch your party and join mine?" routine that happens over and over and over in Valkurm. If the person's in a party, then chances are they don't want to leave their party members high and dry - and that's especially true for WHMs.
The most egregious offense of that type that I've been privy to was a 15THF - we had a slot open in the party, we sent a /tell, and no response.
Then 20 minutes later, after we'd filled the slot with someone else, I get a /tell from the guy we'd invited: "So, want a new party?" If you wanted in my party, you should have responded to that /tell.
These days, we've taken to setting up parties ourselves to avoid the hassle of seeking a party with two open slots, but I prefer a /tell when we're together - if there aren't slots in a party for both of us, then I want to know that so I can decline.
I haven't gone into the Dunes when I haven't been with him (we don't want to chance a level gap that would make it hard for us to play together), but if I wasn't, I'd probably take the blind invite, take my chances, and if it really sucks, stick it out till I can find a replacement or the party implodes.
I don't like blind invites when I'm not seeking, and I REALLY don't like the old "So, wanna ditch your party and join mine?" routine that happens over and over and over in Valkurm. If the person's in a party, then chances are they don't want to leave their party members high and dry - and that's especially true for WHMs.
The most egregious offense of that type that I've been privy to was a 15THF - we had a slot open in the party, we sent a /tell, and no response.
Then 20 minutes later, after we'd filled the slot with someone else, I get a /tell from the guy we'd invited: "So, want a new party?" If you wanted in my party, you should have responded to that /tell.
Yesterday I signed onto the game and was sitting in Jeuno as my level 57 rdm. No more than 5 minutes later I get an invite, followed by "Party?" tell, which in turn was followed up by "You were seeking a party a few minutes ago." Really? 'Cause last I looked I wasn't even signed in a few minutes ago.
I politely declined. But the past few days I've had a few of these blind invites from different people. Each time when I wasn't seeking >.<
Even when I'm seeking I typically like to receive a tell letting me know what the party has... so I know whether they expect me to play main healer, how many people I'll need to refresh, so on and so forth. It helps me decide whether I want to join the party.
As far as my stand point on leaving parties. I don't just notify the leader, I like to notify the whole group if I know I'll be leaving in 1 hour or 1/2 hour. That way, as a whole, the group can discuss, do we search for a replacement, or decide to call it quits? Nothing worse for a replacement to come all the way out to somewhere, join the party, and have another member announce they're leaving in 1/2 hour.
It really irks me when people that say "AFK" and then once they get back, you pull again, kill the mob, then a different person announces "brb". Nothing wrong with taking a break sometimes, we all need them. But if you know someone's gonna be away for a minute and you want to get something to drink, best to do it at the same time instead of waiting a couple more pulls.
I politely declined. But the past few days I've had a few of these blind invites from different people. Each time when I wasn't seeking >.<
Even when I'm seeking I typically like to receive a tell letting me know what the party has... so I know whether they expect me to play main healer, how many people I'll need to refresh, so on and so forth. It helps me decide whether I want to join the party.
As far as my stand point on leaving parties. I don't just notify the leader, I like to notify the whole group if I know I'll be leaving in 1 hour or 1/2 hour. That way, as a whole, the group can discuss, do we search for a replacement, or decide to call it quits? Nothing worse for a replacement to come all the way out to somewhere, join the party, and have another member announce they're leaving in 1/2 hour.
It really irks me when people that say "AFK" and then once they get back, you pull again, kill the mob, then a different person announces "brb". Nothing wrong with taking a break sometimes, we all need them. But if you know someone's gonna be away for a minute and you want to get something to drink, best to do it at the same time instead of waiting a couple more pulls.
I've never really had that problem I always get tells asking me to join the party (54 rdm) I get them anywere and whenever. That I do find rather annoying. I dont think I should have to hide my info to avoid the party invites.
Sometimes though I dont like to go lfg because a lot of the best parties I've had are from accepting that random tell while farming. Dunno its like the people that take the time to seek out the jobs they want actually know what they are doing.
Now what helps a lot is if I'm really not intrested in party I put " [Experince Points] [No Thanks] In my search comment friends find it hillarious but it works. ^_^
Leaving the party as stated before it is so hard to find a mage for a replacement. I never can understand why, when I'm not partied I see so many red mages and white mages running around most of them my level. I dont know if they are all in statics and not seeking party by the time I want to leave and have one of them replace me? It is aggrivating when I'm main healer I tend to feel obligated to the group. I hate to leave a group before everyone has levled at least once.
Sometimes though I dont like to go lfg because a lot of the best parties I've had are from accepting that random tell while farming. Dunno its like the people that take the time to seek out the jobs they want actually know what they are doing.
Now what helps a lot is if I'm really not intrested in party I put " [Experince Points] [No Thanks] In my search comment friends find it hillarious but it works. ^_^
Leaving the party as stated before it is so hard to find a mage for a replacement. I never can understand why, when I'm not partied I see so many red mages and white mages running around most of them my level. I dont know if they are all in statics and not seeking party by the time I want to leave and have one of them replace me? It is aggrivating when I'm main healer I tend to feel obligated to the group. I hate to leave a group before everyone has levled at least once.
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As a fellow RDM, I'd have to agree with Yahira. I see *tons* of Red Mages running around in full AF... and 3/4 of them are /anon. Makes one wonder what they're doing... though as a result I wind up getting /tells even when I'm in a party doing something else! While working on Zilart Missions I had 3 /tells over two days from people asking me if I wanted an exp party. I hated to say no to them, since I was just barely into 69 as is, but I did...
In regards to Seraphim's mention of a simple "PT?": I get that a bit, but usually it's from a Japanese player. Don't be so harsh on the sender of those /tells; at least it's a /tell! ^^
In regards to Seraphim's mention of a simple "PT?": I get that a bit, but usually it's from a Japanese player. Don't be so harsh on the sender of those /tells; at least it's a /tell! ^^
Well it's not like I tell them off. :p
About all having the same rules of decency, it's true. And no one should expect another person to adopt their policies, but we SHOULD be able to expect them to respect them, hence the courtesy part. That's called being polite. Just doesn't happen.
And I put (|Experience Points|) (|Party|) (|No thanks.|) when I'm seeking for a quest or mission (which is also mentioned in the comment). When I don't want a party I just use (|I'm playing solo right now.|) and then usually some random junk about how that means I don't want to join your gang.
Neither work.
About all having the same rules of decency, it's true. And no one should expect another person to adopt their policies, but we SHOULD be able to expect them to respect them, hence the courtesy part. That's called being polite. Just doesn't happen.
And I put (|Experience Points|) (|Party|) (|No thanks.|) when I'm seeking for a quest or mission (which is also mentioned in the comment). When I don't want a party I just use (|I'm playing solo right now.|) and then usually some random junk about how that means I don't want to join your gang.
Neither work.
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