Why do they MPK in EXP areas???Follow

yeah, there's the solution right there... doesn't surprise coming from the same LS as the person who contributed to starting all that crap last night.

im usually never this negative, but between what happened last night, and then moronic comments like that... -.-

Thank you JoLOve for the link I know some of the computer tools but I am still a n00b
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Is everyone sitting down?

I think SE might have actually done something.

Quiang is nowhere to be found.

All the others on the list are still there though... ><

Not anon 24/7...Cece is a 65blm/21whm and Tetak is a 65whm/17blm.

In case anyone was curious.

Guys there is a huge community of Chinese players that are not gil farmers, they are legit. I have partied with some of them, non of which are gil sellers. Please no pointing fingers at people's nationalities cause I am sure since IGE doesnt hire them they are payed by IGE and are just "contractors" there maybe NA, European Gil sellers, we will never know. So please no naming perticular races or nationalities.

woo, playing devil's advocate.

it's worth pointing out that just because someone's typed english is terrible is never a clear indicator that they are not from a primarily english-speaking country.

I am sorry for everyones loss from the gil farmers. I don't know why S.E. doesn't do something about it.

I mean S.E originally said they wanted this game to be something more people just go out, level and be done with. They wanted people to level up not just one job, but multiple, try out different combinations of jobs and subjobs and party combos.

They wanted people to look at the story line and work at it, build up skills and crafts. Do quests to help their country or the places they visited in order to gain fame to unlock new things about this game...

How can we do all this great stuff if we can't get the money from farming? This game is tough, tougher than the other FF games I've played. Though also it was 2x more fun than the others becuase of all you could do.

Though lately, this game is becoming something that is rather troublesome. I want to level up, I want decent gear, I want the gil to level up a craft or two..

I can't...why? Because when I go out there, there's always a Zooe, Apple, Tom or Jerry etc.. with a few other friends botting along to gain gil so they can get paid for it.

All the while..i'm struggling with these guys who sit there and bot oozes and such a simple 40k drop you know? 40..K..that's all the drop is. And if you get them and tick off the farmers you end up with a train of quads becase they can't get thier job done, and for a few seconds it allowed me to gain the gil I need to play this game.

I'm not paying 12 or so buck a month to sit here and be cheated out of a game I enjoy..and it kinda hurts it when you find a game that's so fun..but you're not having any fun with it due to the fact people are taking this out of the gaming world and into serious stuff like gil farmers to sell gil.

Though to my fellow bismarck players..I have a little list of things that can be done in order to mess up these bots..just a tad.


1) Summoners: Use your carby..the cheapest avatar there is to keep out. Leave him out there. Bots auto target, and with that they'll auto target your carby and try to provoke it.

2) Same as number 1 but with DRG's..your dragons ticked off the Zooe's, and the Toms multiple times.

3) Casting a Cure on the gil farmer bots..will make them auto-target you.

4) As well as casting any spell..Na spells will give their attention to you, at the same time you aren't curing them to help them.

I am a SMN..I don't pull. I do however provide a distraction to the bots that farm out there so that a partner can pull, with Stoneskin+Blink always on me with an instant warp handy..i've been ready for tons of trains to be aimed my way.

I do not do this to be mean..I do this becuase I just want to play this game..and If i got to go to such extreme measures to get gil for gear, crafting so I can play this wonderful game again..I have no problem with it. BTW, can I post pictures on this site? If so I got a picutre of a friend and a jerry after I made him mis target i went to kill Garnet Quads..and he didn't survive.

Terrestrialrage, I don't remember asking you to be a self-righteous vigilante. If I wanted to have my set PT's exp session screwed up because you feel that the "nobility" of your actions justifies the consequences of your ignorance, then I would have just let you train multiple pugils, raptors, and crabs on us yourself.

Your corpse wasn't among the 15 or so innocent bystanders who suffered as a result of your thoughtless and careless behavior.

I also sensed no real apology in your reply. I sense someone making poor excuses for a dangerous mistake. I'm rating you down for just such reasons.

I don't see anyone starting a fight. I'm merely expressing my personal disgust for Terrestrialrage's actions and my outrage for a simple lack of a clear apology.

It was an unfortunate incident to be sure, but the point is (not the focus) that we don't know for certain whether or not the people that MPK'd us were indeed gilfarmers, or simply players who don't speak a lot of english and aren't aware of some of the basic functions of the game. Rage didn't know this either. And whether or not we like to point fingers or not, what he did was wrong and stupid, and what they did was wrong and stupid.

But they came back and Raise II'd me and everyone there. I saw Rage make no amends for any actions he decided to take.

So whee! Paint me with the big fat brush of American ignorance!

I believe the stereotype came one post above the one you're talking about.



The post that ensued was a disgruntled reply to being stereotyped.

Bottom line: MPKing is against the ToS. Whether you MPK a gil farmer, or just a regular player, you are putting your account at risk.

In this case, there was an overzealous ranger who took it upon himself to put his account at risk in a popular exp area, thus disturbing a lot of people's gaming experience. The players/gil farmers he did this to decided to get some revenge, also putting their accounts at risk, and disturbing a lot of people's gaming experience.

Everyone named here today, yes the RNG too, will be flagged as an MPKer in my book. Any future issues I have with them will be instantly reported to a GM, since it's now known that they are perfectly willing to break the ToS for whatever reason.

Everyone knows that RNGs have one of the best ways in game to MPK a player. It's ridiculous that SE hasn't fixed this bug, and that it continues to be exploited. RNGs, please, don't put your accounts at risk simply because someone is a better puller than you. It's just not a smart thing to do, and will land you on a lot of blists. Shadowbinding on another player is a nice way to proclaim to the world that you're a lousy puller and can't deal with competition. You'd rather dupe than try harder, which is sad.

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And to provoke some thought here, what would everyone say if these "gil sellers" weren't selling their gil. What would you say if they were simple players that farmed 24/7 because they were power gamers and loved having the best gear/most money etc? What would you do if they ran spawns and camped NMs because they were smart and understood economics and knew that if they controlled the supply of items they could also control the price and thus have more gil to buy the gear the wanted? What would you do then, if you didn't have the option to cry "gil seller!!"

You'd have no other choice but to deal with it. So I suggest everyone stop working themselves into a tizzy and do just that. Deal with it. In constructive ways. Not in ways that puts your own account and the things you enjoy doing in jeopardy. I've seen a really great idea crop up lately about sending mass emails/letters to gaming magazines and publications. That's a good example of a constructive thing you can do to combat gil sellers. Taking it upon yourself to MPK gil sellers does nothing but put your own account at risk, and in this case, upset the gaming experience of those around you. Breaking the ToS because you're upset that another person is breaking the ToS is pretty ridiculous.

Another thread was started to list gaming magazines addresses and get the mass email/mailing started. If you feel like you must do something about this gil selling phenomenon, try starting there.

Here's the link:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=35&mid=1098936174278952932&num=6

With all that said, if you truly enjoy playing this game, stop worrying about what everyone around you is doing. Just let yourself enjoy it. Gil sellers don't *ruin* my gaming experience to the point of making me want to quit, so I keep playing and ignore them, because the good in this game far outweighs the bad for me. I'm seeing too many people let gil sellers ruin their gaming experience, and it's too bad.

/rant off

Edited, Thu Oct 28 11:10:12 2004 by Apocpink

I do believe she was offering a rhetorical question in an effort to point out just how quickly we all seem to jump the gun and yell "Gil seller!" whenever we feel threatened. I'd like to note something about Qiang, the trainer. She was wearing a Brigandine body piece and a number of pieces of THF AF. Insofar as I was aware, most "gilsellers" don't bother at all with any AF quests or coffers. The players present that day had moderate gear (Divine Breastplate, some AF, etc), an LS, and one of them clearly spoke /some/ English. Just thought I'd point that out.

The situation itself is over. It pissed a lot of people off, but it did spark an actual constructive idea as to how to deal with gilsellers, so it wasn't a waste or breathe, time, or the aggravation put into trying to recall all their names or the details of what happened. Terrestrialrage and all the people listed above are MPKers obviously, or at least think that it's justified when they do it. So be wary of them, or blist them, or ignore the whole thing.

Rate up Femme, for being sensible. Rate up nataraja for your excellent suggestion which is now being executed fruitfully on another thread.

edit: And yes seraphimhunter, that was me being sarcastic and stereotypical about being stereotyped.

Edited, Thu Oct 28 11:10:41 2004 by endsville

Understood. Fair enough.

Now, regardless of whether they were gilsellers, if you're saying they were to do the same thing they do now, but we knew they were just a group of friends, they're really not any more innocent. Would we make a big deal still? I think so. Just, not on the subject that it's against the TOS, but instead that they're ruining our experience, which they are.

And besides, they're showing us there's strength in numbers, if we want a constructive response to them, in addition to the magazine article idea, why don't some people form up groups of their own, and hunt alongside the sellers? No one seems to have done that yet. Some of us have managed to outvoke a few of their targets but we're not showing them we mean business.

Hate to turn this into West Side Story, but it's already half way there anyway.