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See any BSTs seeking? Check this out before you ignore 'em.Follow

#1 Oct 20 2004 at 6:56 PM Rating: Good
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Bradygames has consistently misinformed the FFXI community about how BST works, so I am attempting to help correct that here.

Please take this into account before you pass over them:

- BST broth pets do not cut into party exp, only the BST's exp.

- If the BST uses pets stronger than the party (T- con to the highest level) then the party's exp will be affected. Most BSTs understand this and stick with EM/DC or broth pets only. Sometimes emergencies require a VT/IT be charmed and led away from the party, but as I stated, that should be emergency only.

- While many BSTs solo, and can solo well at most levels, BST is not a "solo only" job.


If you are wondering just what they can do for you or what use they might be in a party, here's a bit more info:

- BST often solo with the WHM (or RDM) subjob. Really, soloing 30,000+ exp per level who would want anything but? That being said, however, any melee job can fill that sub slot pretty well with the exact same benefits. I seek and have THF and WAR subs available, but usually have seek turned on while I'm soloing waiting (hoping) for an invite. So if you get nervous about the utility of a /WHM sub, remember that a BST seeking to party in most cases should have alternate subs to choose from, much like any job.

- The roles for which BST can be considered would be DD and crowd control. In my opinion (61BST so far, don't know everything but I know a few things), a BST in a party acting as DD would be optimally equipped with the same +gear you would expect on other melees (generous combination of +atk and +acc), but would also be using Jug pets for every fight possible. (We can summon one every 5 minutes.) As a stand-alone fighter without jug pets (or local DC/EM mobs), BSTs aren't giving everything they can to a party

The jug pet cuts the BST's personal exp reward by 30%, but that's considered to be part of the job. Ninjas burn gil on shihei, Rangers on arrows, and BSTs burn exp and some gil on jug pets. Any BST with consideration for their party understands this.

- One role for which BST works perfectly is in providing a trick partner for THF and tank players, much in the same way Summoners do. Pet-pull the mob and let the THF and tank position behind the mob. You basically have a SATA partner for no cost at all to the party in terms of healing, or risking death if your THF happens to be slow initiating SATA.

- BST can pull from a linked pack just like summoners can. Take Knight Crawlers as example. 5 Knights are sharing space trying to make Crawler Eggs and you need to pull one. Send in pet, all 5 jump pet. Stand out of detection range of the other 4 and release the pet... and only one mob comes. There you have instant pull, link-free.

- BST is the only job in this game that can reset hate on charmable creatures. By reset hate, I mean we can charm it, lead it away from the party, and release it.. and it's as though the mob never knew anyone was there. This works well in zones like CN, Temple of Uggalepih, Onzozo, Sea Grotto, and so forth. In being able to do this, it's also possible in many cases for BST to move further into dangerous areas without sneak/invis as they can just charm and release whatever bothers them.

- If you have a link while fighting no-charm mobs, then naturally you'll need to have someone in the party sleep the thing, or occupy it elsewhere. BST in this situation can put their pet on the link and, if nothing else, keep it busier for a lot longer than it would be if sleep failed to stick.

- BST are A+ axe and A- scythe. Notable WS we get are Rampage, Mistral Axe, Decimation (I think). Basically we get every Axe WS there is, and a variety of the scythe skills.

Should you decide to invite a BST into your party:

- If/when you check their gear and see little to no combat enhancement equipment (accuracy, atk, str, etc.), ask if they have two sets of equipment. Lots of us have a "charm suit" and a "fight suit" and switch back and forth as needed. Don't just assume they're entering each combat with Hope Rings on. ^^ If they do not have any combat enhancing gear, and engaged combat is where you'll want them to be... well, they're underequipped. NIN without Utsusemi gets no groups, DRKs without some kind of accuracy bonus gets no groups (or should get no groups, anyway), BSTs not equipped for their assigned task also do not belong.

- Going with the above point, if there are no pets near camp they can use (A party fighting Torama in Onzozo can have a BST who charms a Manta or Mushussu pet), they need to have a generous supply of broths. If the BST isn't using pets at all, they aren't doing their job.

- Don't expect the BST to pop out 4-digit numbers on light/dark skillchains. If you want to measure them, measure the total damage per fight from them + their pet, and unless something is very wrong, I doubt you'll find anything negative in those results.

- BST can widescan, so if you lack a RNG then have the BST pull.

As for BST roles in other specialized functions, like Promyvion, HNMs, Dynamis, etc.. I'm only a 61BST so I can't really speak to their role here. I can tell you that BSTs are perfect in BCNM fights with charmables (rabbits, mandragoras, sons of anansi), we can solo multiple coffer key mobs (crawler nest, garlaige, sea grotto, kuftal, boyahda, more), we're exceptionally nice to have around for anything in the Temple of Uggelapih to keep the Wespes and Toramas off the party, and I'm sure there are other good places as well.

I've not yet been to any promyvions, but as I've heard it's usually a distance-damage+mage party there I'll probably go as BLM. I'm not so naive as to think BST is perfect in every situation, but I've yet to see or hear of any 6-person exp party or mission event (rank 1-10, zilart) where BST can't be a welcome addition.

If anyone has anything to add, please do so. I originally posted this on Midgarsormr forum, but I'm going to put it elsewhere as well. Who knows, it might help correct some misperceptions.

#2 Oct 20 2004 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I have to admit, i have questioned the usefulness of bsts in pt and to be honest over half of these never crossed my mind, though i personaly have never had the chance to pt with a bst. this also kinda rekindled some of my intrest in the job =)
#3 Oct 21 2004 at 12:09 AM Rating: Good
My first PT with a beastmaster was about two months ago, in the Dunes. I was skeptical at the time, because of that damn Brady guide, but I'm telling you now that the EXP we got was fantastic. It remains one of the best parties I was ever in.

And it's kind of fun fighting next to a bunch of Sand Bats. ;)

Look at it this way. BSTs solo in IT+ areas. If it's not cutting into your exp -- and it isn't -- how much more useful do you think they're going to be to your party than someone just as in danger as you are? Being a BST requires fast thinking, resourcefulness and mastery of macros, all of which are important in a party.

Agreed: Do NOT pass over a seeking BST. You'll be glad you invited him for a huge variety of reasons (especially in aggro-prone areas).
#4 Oct 21 2004 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Rate up.

Does the CHR stat work instantly at Charm, or is it an effect-over-time thing?

What I'm wondering is this:

Assume a BST wielding Monster Signa, Hope Rings, Flower Necklace (or Beast Whistle), etc. You get the picture (+CHR). Does the mob still get an extended charm time if you immediately switch out your charm equipment for battle equipment? Or does changing your equipment shorten that timespan?

A lot of people also don't realize that BST is an excellent subjob to take NM-hunting. Wide Scan doesn't blow up as *fast* as RNG does, but it does increase, and you also get an equivalent to the WAR's Provoke. So, you can go as THF/BST, and get the best of both worlds - TH1/TH2, Wide Scan, and an instant-claim ability. Charm has a slightly shorter range than Provoke, as far as I can tell, but it still works as effectively.
#5 Oct 21 2004 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Just a quick note about Promyvion with regard to bst. One of the first times we attempted Promyvion-Holla Lui went with us as a bst and it was no different than having any other job in the party. He used his jug pets etc. We ended up losing the BCNM fight, but it had nothing to do with having a bst in the party. We just didn't really know what to expect and the BCNM is nasty!

On thing that we didn't do, but probably should have:
When the memory stream opens, there are always some strays left. Have the bst sacrafice a jug pet to run up and aggro the strays before the party enters the memory stream. If the pet can survive long enough for eveybody to get through then this is a very valuable addition to a Promyvion party.

just my .02 gil
#6 Oct 21 2004 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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We've had a BST in our set exp party for a long time now (from level 50-63 or so). Having a BST means we can do things normal parties couldn't dream of doing. We often fight NMs that would wipe out 12 people our level and can do missions that are supposedly alliance only. I can't say this is 100% the BSTs doing, but he plays a big role in our set, and the fact that the 6 of us play so well together makes us damn near invincible in some situations.

Also, I think everyone should play BST for a little while. Anyone who gets overly panicked or isn't very good at avoiding aggro or doesn't understand how hate works will *really* benefit from playing BST for a few levels. Playing BST will teach you some valuable lessons about the mechanics of this game that will only help you in the long run :)

With all that said, BST isn't a huge damage dealer, don't expect to be able to compare a BST to a RNG or anything, but with an EM pet and the right gear, they are a huge asset to any exp party.
#7 Oct 21 2004 at 6:34 PM Rating: Good
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Yes so who wants to invite my 52 Beastmaster into a static... someone help me get to 60 i've had enough of soloing! lol so slow... so boring... so lonley! But I do love the job. i've just grown lonley!
#8 Oct 21 2004 at 9:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh c'mon Shinoda, you got Garlaige to help you get to 60, getting to there is cake. Now, in my case, getting to 70 is #$%#$%#$ my life right now ^^ But I should be hitting 68 tonight (wahooooo! finally!)
#9 Oct 22 2004 at 1:44 AM Rating: Decent
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God 65-70 sucks....

I've solo'd and duo'd my way up until 65, now I'm doing a set pt with friends as BST/WAR so I can voke for trick and berserk etc, its pretty nice. Works really well with the pet selection in Boyahda too.
#10 Oct 23 2004 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I enjoyed partying with BSTS in my expierence. They would use pets for the extra damage but if we really didn't need it..we didn't have to worry a bit about links.

Which was nice to not have to worry about. I remember we pulled Rumble Crawler and Blazer Beetle, the BS charmed the rumble..and we attakced the blazer. he released the rumble at a safe place and headed on back to our party.

Though this is just my expierences with a Beastmaster...and so far I have no problem having them in a party.
#11 Oct 23 2004 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
yeah thanks for the info, not once have i ever pt with a bst. im in a set pt now but i'll atleast spread the word to my ls members.

Edited, Sat Oct 23 10:29:36 2004 by NinjitsuSan
#12 Oct 24 2004 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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Lui I just can't find the drive to solo anymore... i'm so close to quitting the game its not even funny >< 52 sucks.
#13 Oct 24 2004 at 7:34 PM Rating: Default
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Shinoda wrote:
Lui I just can't find the drive to solo anymore... i'm so close to quitting the game its not even funny >< 52 sucks.


Shinoda maybe we can team up and duo together?
I went on hiatus and would really rather only play with
someone I know will be serious about getting exp. Soloing is fun
but it's even better to duo... what do you think? E-mail me and let me know james_hdz@hotmail.com

~Zander
#14 Oct 24 2004 at 11:51 PM Rating: Good
I'm surprised Winawer hasn't jumped in on this thread yet. I got much the same information from him not too long ago.

Blasted Brady Guide.
#15 Oct 25 2004 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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If you think 52 is bad, wait til you get 65-70 as Pellaz said. Use your AF pieces to motivate you to get to 60. That helped me out a lot.
#16 Oct 25 2004 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I partied with a BST last month in the dunes by the name of XTonberryking. And he was very good. Pulling/Crowd control to the max :)
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