Let me open by saying that this isn't my real account. I made this account just to post this because I know that a few of my LS mates post here and I dont want to start any undue hoopla in the group.
I just need some advice on how to deal with this and vent some frustration.
What do you do when your LS is falling apart? Again? For the third time?
We're now chalk full of people using us as their 2nd and 3rd LS, using us only as the LS they equip when they need help with something (apparently the LS they hang in primarily doesnt like to help), or equipping our LS only when they happen to run by me in Jeuno and dont want me mad at them (HI, I'm not an idiot, I know you weren't on the LS a second ago).
What is the deal? Can people not atleast be honest with me?? I know I'm easy to talk to and if you just be open with me about leaving, I wont bite your head off. But why do people feel the need to run around behind my back and just disappear without so much as a "Bye, it was fun, but I need to move on". I'm not asking much.
I can't write some of the reasons I've been given for people leaving because it'll most likely give away who I'm talking about. But, some of the crap I'm getting is total bull!
I'm at the point where I'm considering making rules in the LS for the first time ever. I'm thinking about kicking all the iffy people and starting all over with just the ones who have put as much effort into the group as possible. Because It seems everyone else thinks that respectable LS's just grow out of a steamy pile of Yag crap. I need effort on the part of ALL members to keep the linkshell successful, not just 4 of us, as has been the case in the recents weeks.
I'm at my wits end with this whole situation...any suggestions or advice would be most appreciated.
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If you are who I think you are please wait till Friday and everything hopefully will be figure out.
Honestly, I'd kick all the people that aren't major contributors to your LS. Kick the people that refuse to help, kick the people that won't set aside time to get to know their fellow LS-mates. It's the way I've started doing things in my LS, so while there aren't always 400 million people always on my LS, the few that are happen to be dedicated members.
Now, on the subject of helping people: some of my LS members ask me to help them with a quest or something. Sometimes I'll help, but sometimes I need to do stuff for myself. As and example, the other day I had someone who had been in my LS for one day ask me to do the Drain quest for him. Now, disregarding that I can make 30,000 gil off of selling that scroll, why whould I do this quest for him? Sure, if I wanted to be a good LS leader I would help him out, but I'm not going to do the quest for him. That, IMO, creates lazy players that expect to get LS help any time they need it, and they'll expect to do nothing for themselves. In the end, after said player whined at me and a sackholder about doing the quest for him for about a half an hour to an hour, the sackholders took a vote to boot him from the LS.
Anyway, just hoping this shows some insight into my LS views. Hope it helps, and sorry for the rambling and unnecessary story. >.<
Edited, Thu Oct 7 14:12:37 2004 by Theophany
Now, on the subject of helping people: some of my LS members ask me to help them with a quest or something. Sometimes I'll help, but sometimes I need to do stuff for myself. As and example, the other day I had someone who had been in my LS for one day ask me to do the Drain quest for him. Now, disregarding that I can make 30,000 gil off of selling that scroll, why whould I do this quest for him? Sure, if I wanted to be a good LS leader I would help him out, but I'm not going to do the quest for him. That, IMO, creates lazy players that expect to get LS help any time they need it, and they'll expect to do nothing for themselves. In the end, after said player whined at me and a sackholder about doing the quest for him for about a half an hour to an hour, the sackholders took a vote to boot him from the LS.
Anyway, just hoping this shows some insight into my LS views. Hope it helps, and sorry for the rambling and unnecessary story. >.<
Edited, Thu Oct 7 14:12:37 2004 by Theophany
Good offline LS Forum = Good LS
A good linkshell needs active communication between members. Thus a good LS forum is the keystone that holds the LS together. It keeps the members informed of on going events and set up dates for future activities. LS that plays together, stays together. But before LS can play together, the members needs a good communication tool to set up the activities. A forum will be an invaluable asset for that.
As for Deadwood and Leechers, be selective about who to give the pearl to. Discuss the merit of the LS candidate between the sackholders before giving out the pearl. Bring the candidate to a few LS activities as trial runs. Sounds like your LS have alot of leechers. Discuss between the sackholders who to keep and boot.
As for people that ask for quest with monetary values, be fair and split the earnings evenly by effort. If you are doing part of the quest, ask to be compensated according to the amount of help. I agree with Theophany that helping people with money will create lazy players. My solution to this is to split the earnings fairly between the participating members according to effort.
If that LS member wants to keep the spell or reward, he better compensate other participants with money from his own pocket. That spell/reward is going to the AH to be sold and split evenly if he cannot pay the fair dues of other participants.
As for AF quests and non-monetary quests, LS members needs to help each other out. Have faith that sometimes in the near furture they will recieve help if the needs arise. With selective membership, you should not have trouble asking for help in LS at all. If you do, time to start booting.
Closing Summary:
1)Get a LF Forum.
2)Be very selective on giving out pearls.
3)Evenly split monitary gains in LS (or any) activities to reduce leechers.
4)Help each Ls member out on non-monetary quest unconditionally.
A good LS requires alot of hard work. Good luck.
A good linkshell needs active communication between members. Thus a good LS forum is the keystone that holds the LS together. It keeps the members informed of on going events and set up dates for future activities. LS that plays together, stays together. But before LS can play together, the members needs a good communication tool to set up the activities. A forum will be an invaluable asset for that.
As for Deadwood and Leechers, be selective about who to give the pearl to. Discuss the merit of the LS candidate between the sackholders before giving out the pearl. Bring the candidate to a few LS activities as trial runs. Sounds like your LS have alot of leechers. Discuss between the sackholders who to keep and boot.
As for people that ask for quest with monetary values, be fair and split the earnings evenly by effort. If you are doing part of the quest, ask to be compensated according to the amount of help. I agree with Theophany that helping people with money will create lazy players. My solution to this is to split the earnings fairly between the participating members according to effort.
If that LS member wants to keep the spell or reward, he better compensate other participants with money from his own pocket. That spell/reward is going to the AH to be sold and split evenly if he cannot pay the fair dues of other participants.
As for AF quests and non-monetary quests, LS members needs to help each other out. Have faith that sometimes in the near furture they will recieve help if the needs arise. With selective membership, you should not have trouble asking for help in LS at all. If you do, time to start booting.
Closing Summary:
1)Get a LF Forum.
2)Be very selective on giving out pearls.
3)Evenly split monitary gains in LS (or any) activities to reduce leechers.
4)Help each Ls member out on non-monetary quest unconditionally.
A good LS requires alot of hard work. Good luck.
I've noticed one thing with LS' people, and that's that everyone has their own taste. Some like a warm community type LS, while others like hard-grinding people who are the same level as them. I've mostly found this to be the biggest thing that has to do LS' breaking up, and people leaving.
And also the fact that some people find, "What can you do for me?" better than "What can I do for you?" ; ;
And also the fact that some people find, "What can you do for me?" better than "What can I do for you?" ; ;
My LS is bout it bout it in the department of helping people out. I might not be the highest level character but I will help out in anyy way I can... if that means running across the whole world so I can take some fish you caught back to town and send them to your mule so you have more room for catching....... then so be it
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The job of a LS leader can be thankless >< Some days you just can't do right for doing wrong, it's impossible to keep everyone happy all the time. The key to it, is not to take it personally and not to let it get you down.
Never be afraid to say what you mean, straight talking is also the way to go with a little diplomacy thrown in for good measure. If you have members bringing the LS down, then tell them directly and at least give them a chance to see the errors of their ways and if that does not work, ask them to leave. Go for quality over quantity and as Emilyia said, out of game communication is a must. LS Rules are important and should accessible for all to read and understand, to set guidelines on how you expect your members to behave.
Chin up and good luck.
Never be afraid to say what you mean, straight talking is also the way to go with a little diplomacy thrown in for good measure. If you have members bringing the LS down, then tell them directly and at least give them a chance to see the errors of their ways and if that does not work, ask them to leave. Go for quality over quantity and as Emilyia said, out of game communication is a must. LS Rules are important and should accessible for all to read and understand, to set guidelines on how you expect your members to behave.
Chin up and good luck.
I am loyal to my linkshell. I stay in the one I am dedicated to. Recently Neo-Amythsty had some problems and I and a few others left the l/s. We created a new l/s and that is the only one for me, and hopefully the last one.
People who l/s hop are usually not the members that help so much as the members who always want help. I would remind these people that the l/s needs thier help as much as they need the l/s's help and if they don't grasp the concept, they need to go on thier merry way.
As far as people feeling the need to lie about not being in other l/s's thats totally b's on thier part. I would kick those people out, even if they are my friend.
A good l/s doesn't have to be warm and fuzzy, just functional, and without all the members being there to help, it won't be functional.
People who l/s hop are usually not the members that help so much as the members who always want help. I would remind these people that the l/s needs thier help as much as they need the l/s's help and if they don't grasp the concept, they need to go on thier merry way.
As far as people feeling the need to lie about not being in other l/s's thats totally b's on thier part. I would kick those people out, even if they are my friend.
A good l/s doesn't have to be warm and fuzzy, just functional, and without all the members being there to help, it won't be functional.
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Hey everyone I have a problem with the whole LS thing...
someone help me plz ; ;
I have had a certain LS for a very long time, probably since I started playing, maybe a bit later, but anyway, it is a pretty small LS, about 4-6 people on, but we enjoy a practical joke every now and then, and we do some BCNMs and other things. But the LS numbers have been dwindling lately :(
The only problem is, a person who is probably my best friend in the game, gave me a LP for his LS, so, trying to be polite, i tried it out, and the LS is a very big LS that is fun and does a lot of things together, and helps out alot.
I just dont know what to do... ; ;
should I stay with my old LS, or move to a new one?
*sigh*
someone plz help me out
(o this isnt my real account, I dont wanna upset my old LS mates)
someone help me plz ; ;
I have had a certain LS for a very long time, probably since I started playing, maybe a bit later, but anyway, it is a pretty small LS, about 4-6 people on, but we enjoy a practical joke every now and then, and we do some BCNMs and other things. But the LS numbers have been dwindling lately :(
The only problem is, a person who is probably my best friend in the game, gave me a LP for his LS, so, trying to be polite, i tried it out, and the LS is a very big LS that is fun and does a lot of things together, and helps out alot.
I just dont know what to do... ; ;
should I stay with my old LS, or move to a new one?
*sigh*
someone plz help me out
(o this isnt my real account, I dont wanna upset my old LS mates)
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