To all who create parties on Bismark, From a PLDFollow

Hello, 
   Well this not a rant but an educative message to all wishing  
   to improve their leading skills from levels 50+. 
 
1) Please try to get a WHITE MAGE 
   a)I understand that everyone knows this but hear me  
     out. Some people seem to think that having a summoner 
     with a WHITE MAGE sub is just like having a healer. 
     but to tell you the truth summoners are good don't get me  
     wrong, but at lvl 50+ not having Cure IV to get you outta  
     trouble is horrible. You may substitute this with 2 RDMs or  
     just one good one that understands that he will do  
     most of the healing.  
 
2) Please have a good RED MAGE or a BARD. 
   b)These 2 jobs are essential for keeping the mana flowing and  
     buffing the party, and debuffing the mob so that more  
     chains are possible. Please Red mages REFRESH  
     your Paladins we are dying here to keep everyone  
     alive and when death comes the Paladin is the 1st to  
     be picked up. Same goes for BARDS Please when using  
     BALLAD remember that Paladins use mana to increase hate. 
     (Trust me it isn't easy getting from 50-75 or 60 if AF  
     is all you want.)    
 
3) BLACK MAGES are important but you may substitute this   
   with a good RANGER.  
   a)As long as you have a good red mage who debuffs the  
     mob properly it is possible to have a good  
     RANGER to substitute your BLACK MAGE. 
 
4) Have a good puller who knows the terrain and knows the mobs  
   in the area, preferably a THIEF or a RANGER. 
   a)The puller can be anyone really but these 2 jobs are just  
     in my opinion the best. 
 
5) Get a good TANK I am biased because I am a PALADIN 
    but a good WARRIOR or a good NINJA will do. 
 
6) Now the MELEE can be any number of combinations   
   depending on your party structure. 
 
Note:This new thread is not to supersede any other type of  
     information on party structures, it is merely my opinion on  
     forming your own party. This is only because lately I have  
     seen pretty much scary looking party formations that might  
     have worked pre level 50, but will get you raped if there  
     is adds and other types of problems that are inevitable in  
     the life of adventurers in the world of [Red]Vana'diel.  
     Please feel free to improve upon my party structure  
     sujestions if you feel that I am wrong or that I missed  
     something. Thank you.[/Green] 

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Captain Obvious

Didn't realize we were talking about THAT on this thread. Whoa nellie...hide the potato chips.

Heh, it's good to see you posting to the boards, Typhus! ^^ As for the list... Maybe I should address these one by one.

1) I've been the RDM in good and bad parties where the other two mages were SMN and BLM. As I recall, the bad party was versus raptors with a NIN tank (in the Valley of Sorrows if the location says anything!) and the good party was versus coeurls (toramas) with a PLD tank. If there are no WHM out there, there are no WHM out there... sometimes you have to take what you can get and SMN with RDM for back-up can do a fairly good job of healing.

2) As a RDM, I try to make sure everyone's Refreshed when they need it (save those DRKs who run off to pull before I can Refresh them!) However, don't expect the BRDs to sing their mana songs to you during battle... that's the time you want your accuracy bonuses and what-not, while the casting rank gets their ballads when the bard runs back to them. Feel free to join us then the battle's over and the bard refreshes our ballads, but those songs will be erased once the battle commences again.

3) Now for a delicate subject..... IMHO I tend to prefer a BLM over a RNG... not because of damage potential..... but because the BLM seems to have learned when to nuke and when not to nuke whereas the RNG hasn't necessarily realized this lesson. I've been in parties with good RNGs and bad RNGs and sometimes it seems that the class relies so much on their damage-dealing capability that it forgets that the mob will suddenly decide to chomp on the person who just did 2000 points of damage to it. If you're a RNG, please be kind to us healers and try to moderate your hate so we don't have to use Cure IVs and Cure Vs on you to keep you alive instead of healing the tank. ^^

As for 4, 5, and 6, those are fairly self-evident and require little ado. Hopefully no-one minds my 2-cents-worth of opinion...

Why not have the Ranger and the Blm.... they both are awesome

btw: Blm's get Warp II, Escape, Tractor, etc...

And this is why we sub NIN. Utsusemi gives us a buffer and also gives mages a warning that we may need healing too, and gives us time to stop shooting (if we're using long-delay type weapons such as guns) so that we don't get screwed by the mob, as that'll happen in like 3 hits anyway. I'm guessing you're talking about the RNG/WARs out there that love slapping Berserk + Barrage down on the enemy just to see the big pretty numbers, huh?

Well, I'm going to personally apologize for those types, as most RNG know when to stop shooting. I'll also add that every class has it's bad eggs, and those are the bad RNG.

Back on topic, I never make my own parties (I'm too lazy to take charge of something), but one of the best party set-ups that I've been in was the following:

PLD RNG/NIN RNG/NIN BRD WHM BLM

The mobs were dead so fast that the WHM looked around and said in shock, "hey, who stole our mob? that's not cool." The power of 2 RNGs in a party (with Prelude ^^), I guess.

Oh, I just remembered something, too. If you're in a party with a THF and RNG with no voke other than the main tank, don't use the RNG as the SAnTA partner. Please? It's dumb. We die. Thanks.

Well thanks for the replies but what I wanted to explain
was the fact that there are some people on this server that
still do not understand the structure of a party or how to play
their specific jobs to begin with. Like for instance if you get
a Summoner and the only mages are him and a Red
mage you would expect this guy to heal once in a while. But
the other day I was with this guy who would summon his avatar
and let him fight, no buffs, no nothing, and he would melee
himself. And I, like a true idiot would voke, flash, sentinel,
shield bash, Cure III, till mana runs out then i go into red
hit points , almost die and once did. Everyone else gets
their exp and what about the tank. huh?

Anyways thanks for the replies, is not like people care anymore,
I been very disappointed with this game lately because of lack
of skill on behalf of people and the fact that people are no
longer polite to one another, and dont consider each other, and
act in a very selfish fashion.

If someone is that stuck up not to backup heal when it is a must.. I will kindly ask them to leave and if they don't just let them go.... let them go....