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If you read my first post, it plainly says Elvaan RDM.




In the hour I was there, she used Hojo maybe twice, and never Jubaku or Kurayami. Not a single elemental debuff, either.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I refused to help because of what was already explained before in this thread: with all the DD hasted and an incompetent NIN tank, hate control is nigh impossible. Did you just pick and choose what you read? It's only been stated time and time again here.

Oh no no no!! We cannot have all these rate-downs for people having opinions. *Rushes off to the back room and presses the big, red rate-up buttion of niceness* There, all better. ^^ Seriously though, don't rate-down people for having an opinion. There are at least two sides the every story. Let's all be happy and get along with the niceness. ^^

/em starts casting Group Hug.

Great, now maybe you can stfu and stop crying.

/em snuggles Chisusu.

Don't count on it.
Alauce, I'd stop now while your head is still above the ground here. Not exactly the place I'd want to make an impression as a complete nitwit.
You lost the argument, you lost the battle, move on.

I am friends with both and they both a really good at their jobs and both no what is going on in the game. We all been in pt's where you just no it is not going to work. The harder you try to make it work the deeper the hole gets. I would love to pt with the 2 of you and we could get fudo(drk) and argus(pld) and make a go at it. I will be on early tonight nam if you want to start a pt.

ps on the haste thing it is a pain in the *** to haste everyone but as a war/thf swinging a bus and not a weapon haste is nice for tp the time delay in my weapon goes from 11-13 seconds per swing down to 7-8 seconds per swing.

Rate up for Ele, you just said what I was trying to, I was just lazy with the quotes and all that ^^

I don't wanna bash on Alauce or Nam at all, just wanted to share a party I had recently with everyone hasted NIN-RNG-SAM(me)-BLM-BRD-WHM ( notice, no THF even ). We pulled 18k xp in about 4 and a half hours

I know, It may look bad at first Alauce, but if your Ninja is decently good, he should be able to keep hate even with everyone hasted.

For Namfoodle; since your tank was a ninja, I think you should have tagged 4 ou of 6 people to haste, and leave only like 1 or 2 to the RDM. Debuffs and refresh we're essential here. If the ninja would have been doing a *correct* job, you would have had more than enough MP to keep 4 people hasted.

blame the Ninja AND Canada

my 2 canadian cents ( or 0.003 US cents )

Before I left for class, I thought to check out some of the new posts here. This thread has me a bit perplexed, as most of the issues come down to this:

a person and b person have played the game for a while and EXPECT certain things out of each other.

Whm's and rdm's are by no means one-trick ponies. However, a whm's role is defined pretty clearly - heal. Through all the levels, all the spells, whm's maintain this solidarity. You do your job by keeping your party intact, un(insert spell-effect here) and you do it well. People know what to expect out of you!

Rdm's don't have this luxury. Not only has our job utterly changed past 40, but we have a preponderence of options, and different expectations. Depending on the experience of your party, and the makeup of your party, this job VASTLY changes.

In a way, the redmage gets to be the sand that filters through the cracks. While in a good party, we do get to be like a whm - do your refresh, buff, enfeeble thing, that isn't always the case.

Lay the blame on the lack of good redmages teaching others.

Alauce, Namfoodle, both of you have a good reputation on the server, and both of you are correct. Hasting all of the members of that party, plus a refresh cycle, would kill a non-taru mana supply. At 40 for haste/refresh with a long delay, you have to start deciding what is the BEST use of my mana? Dispel or Haste? This is a SPECIFIC issue, but it's a GENERAL problem.

Sioux was correct in listing redmage priorities. The problem is that just because we have the option to "do it all" doesn't mean we can do it all at once.

It's math. I've got 550 mana and not only do I need to use it to aid the party, I need to know how much to keep in reserve 'just in case.'

Redmages: Learn how the refresh cycle works. State your priorities up FRONT (I refresh me and the pld, drk's are only if I have the mana on certain mobs, etc) and don't be afraid to change your thinking if you have a unique party makeup. It's not only parties trashing redmages, it's redmages not teaching parties. Even at 60+ the number of redmages who don't understand their class boggles my brain. If we don't know how to play our class, how can we expect others to expect REASONABLE things from us?

Rant over and out ^^
Katrine
*Have you hugged your taru today?*


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I went back and took off my (don't read below X rate filter) and..... oh my... Good lord some of you just seethe hate.

This is a discussion (for all that it is marked rant) not a chance to just lash out like caged animals.

And yes, Group Hug is a BLM spell. You get it from the quest right after getting Butterga II^^

Edited, Tue Sep 28 09:17:53 2004 by Katrine

It doesn't really matter what a rdm THINKS their job is.
If a party asks you to do something, do it. If you don't like it, then leave. It's really quite simple.

haste is great if you have a tank that knows what their doing.