You know, the other day I was thinking about how the HNM drama on Bismarck seemed to be lacking. Luckily we have plently of it now! So without further ado, let's get on with the show...
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Personally Invoky, this isnt a place for Non-LS members who arent even in the level range to talk about a situation that happened between 2 LS's.
That's funny, I distinctly remember a 3rd LS being there...who was it now...oh right, it was the LS you were trying to beat by stealing Faf from AD.
Jawas, we've been friends since the beginning. I have a lot of respect for you and many other members of IRON, whom I also consider friends. But how you can honestly think that what you guys did was justifiable is beyond me. I heard the quote from Tred, and I don't care if he actually said it or not. I also don't care if you guys really thought that AD had wiped; it's irrelevant. The problem is, once you had claim you could clearly see that AD was not dead. Whether or not they WOULD have died is not up to you to decide, the point is they didn't get a chance to. At that point, the 'right' thing to do was to return claim to them and let things play out. Hell, we returned Faf to freakin' BR once, and we hated BR. Would it really have been so difficult to give him back to an LS you were (supposedly) on friendly terms with?
I used quotations on 'right' because it seems we do not agree on this point. More specifically:
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Again, not everyone knows or uses the all wipe rule, most Japanese LS's do not, trust me we have had Fafnir pulled from us in the same situation, but again we were actaully gratefull cause we were beyond recovery and it did was save lives and exp loss. We did not mean to disrespect you or AD. We have no way of knowing of what abilities you have on timer or not on timer, we have no idea of non-visable LS members, and the pull was based on the fact that we were looking at an unclaimed, uncontroled HNM, that in all regards was free to aggro anyone.
Not trying to sound arrogant, but we've probably done 20 times as many Faf camps as you guys have, many against japanese comepition. We have always known japanese LS to uphold this rule. In all fairness our japanese competition is usually LibertyBlue, whom we're on friendly terms with. But that's really beside the point.
What would you suggest in the alternative? If it goes yellow it's fair claim? I don't need to tell you how many problems that would cause. Come on, this isn't Midgard:p Personally, I strongly believe in /randoming if the the group that won the pull is going to lose (many japanese LS do this as well). But, not everyone shares my view, and I can't force my opinion on others. What is your position here? If it's the former, then god help us, things are going to get ugly.
Until now, the HNMLS on Bismarck have remained relatively civil. I guess it was only a matter of time before things erupted, but in all honestly, there's no reason we can't keep this under control. I would hate to see this deteriorate into an all-out war.