I'm writing this while mildly pissed off, so if this comes off as negative, well I'll edit it later.
Could someone please write up a section of rules for Alla? I see various "rules" being broken on a fairly consistant basis. After enough of them happen, one begins to assume that no such "rule" exists. And I'm not talking about "Don't spam a post with 50 posts" or other such things that DO get dealt with. I'm mostly talking about the stuff that seems ok for some to do but not others. (If this already exists, I couldn't find it after spending 15 minutes seriously looking for it.)
Socks. If you guys at Alla don't want them, fine. So be it. 1.) Write it up an inform people about it. I've seen numerous socks around for ages. 2.) If you REALLY don't want them, don't allow them from the beginning. Check and see if an IP already has an account here. If it does, disallow the second account. You can even have a system that would allow admin to disallow this if someone legitametly needs to have two accounts from one address. (Family member, spouse, etc.)
The Karma system. Frankly, it should be done away with. That isn't going to happen. Fine. However, if you're going to have it, let people use it as they see fit. One night, I got rated down. Why? I don't know. Everything I said was true and politely put. People dislike some ideas, I guess. Well, this went on for the evening. Every new post I made took an immeidate hit. Well, that sucks. Some random person was doing this to me. So, I did the same thing back. Ok, not the best of ideas, admittedly, but I did feel better. Next day I come back and I couldn't rate anyone. I waited a week, assuming this was temporary. It wasn't. I send a message to an admin. No response.
Basically, I can't rate anyone anymore for doing the same thing that someone did to me. No warning, no mail saying I couldn't rate, just BAM couldn't do it.
You admin want to run the site that way? You know what, I can't stop you. But I should have some rights here.
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I agree that the karma system is silly. It's meant as a way for users to remove unwanted posts, but people mostly use the karma system as a sort of way to say "I disagree with you, but I'm too much of a chicken to come out and say it, so I'll just rate you down. Plus, rating you down lowers your overall karma rating which gives me a slight tingle in my pants. Ooh!"
I've been posting on the Out of Topic forum for quite some time and the World of Warcraft forum for ages too. Posts that should be rated down are usually advertisement which will get banned/nuked by admins anyways. I've only seen the karma system work as intended when some guy made a flame bait thread and got sub-defaulted within a minute. But even then, most people don't have the post filter enabled because they'll miss out on the drama threads which are sub-defaulted fast too.
All in all, I'd say the karma system was broken. It's a great idea and I can certainly follow the guy who thought of it. But the fact is that this site has become such a public success that you can't talk about fair rating anymore. People rate down in vengeance and because it's anonymous. You could, slowly, sub-default even the best poster and because more people rate down than up, he'd go below the filter despite being the best poster on the site. If that's not wrong then I don't know what is.
Yeah, yeah, don't whine about karma and whatnot. Usually the people who tell you not to whine about it are those afraid of being rated down themselves or those doing the downrating in the first place. As you'll notice, your post was rated down to 'default'. Probably because you mentioned karma.
Karma is like a taboo here on the site. It's such a crucial part of the user-moderation, but no one can talk about it without being rated to hell. If that's not irony...
About your 2nd point, while it seems like a good idea, understand that a lot of people use dynamic IPs, which is also why the admins are having such a hard time keeping guys banned. Besides, the hardcore forum trolls usually just go somewhere else, like a public library, and continue trolling from there.
I'd rate you back up, but then a part of my post would lose its point. For starters the part about how you were rated down for stating your opinion in a professional manner. I would also be a hypocrite for "whining" about how people abuse the karma system and then rate you up to counter the unwarranted ratedown you got. I believe your overall karma rating will survive the blow though.
I've been posting on the Out of Topic forum for quite some time and the World of Warcraft forum for ages too. Posts that should be rated down are usually advertisement which will get banned/nuked by admins anyways. I've only seen the karma system work as intended when some guy made a flame bait thread and got sub-defaulted within a minute. But even then, most people don't have the post filter enabled because they'll miss out on the drama threads which are sub-defaulted fast too.
All in all, I'd say the karma system was broken. It's a great idea and I can certainly follow the guy who thought of it. But the fact is that this site has become such a public success that you can't talk about fair rating anymore. People rate down in vengeance and because it's anonymous. You could, slowly, sub-default even the best poster and because more people rate down than up, he'd go below the filter despite being the best poster on the site. If that's not wrong then I don't know what is.
Yeah, yeah, don't whine about karma and whatnot. Usually the people who tell you not to whine about it are those afraid of being rated down themselves or those doing the downrating in the first place. As you'll notice, your post was rated down to 'default'. Probably because you mentioned karma.
Karma is like a taboo here on the site. It's such a crucial part of the user-moderation, but no one can talk about it without being rated to hell. If that's not irony...
About your 2nd point, while it seems like a good idea, understand that a lot of people use dynamic IPs, which is also why the admins are having such a hard time keeping guys banned. Besides, the hardcore forum trolls usually just go somewhere else, like a public library, and continue trolling from there.
I'd rate you back up, but then a part of my post would lose its point. For starters the part about how you were rated down for stating your opinion in a professional manner. I would also be a hypocrite for "whining" about how people abuse the karma system and then rate you up to counter the unwarranted ratedown you got. I believe your overall karma rating will survive the blow though.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Duchess Caia wrote:
I'm writing this while mildly pissed off
One night, I got rated down. Some random person was doing this to me. So, I did the same thing back. Next day I come back and I couldn't rate anyone.
Basically, I can't rate anyone anymore for doing the same thing that someone did to me. No warning, no mail saying I couldn't rate, just BAM couldn't do it.
You admin want to run the site that way? You know what, I can't stop you. But I should have some rights here.
Thanks
One night, I got rated down. Some random person was doing this to me. So, I did the same thing back. Next day I come back and I couldn't rate anyone.
Basically, I can't rate anyone anymore for doing the same thing that someone did to me. No warning, no mail saying I couldn't rate, just BAM couldn't do it.
You admin want to run the site that way? You know what, I can't stop you. But I should have some rights here.
Thanks
Anyone who karma camps tends to end up no rated, sometimes even karma nuked.
The ratings do nothing to prevent you from posting. The only posts that are unviewable are those marked negative by an admin.
Karma camping up or down is highly frowned upon. Rather then dwell upon it and publically announce your karma sensitivity, I would suggest you asking an admin to make this post negative. Then give them some time (at least a week) to look into things.
If you have a history of karma camping (they can see E V E R Y T H I N G) then I wouldn't expect for you to get your rating ability back anytime soon.
I can see where you rated down nearly 500 posts in a VERY short period of time one evening, that in it self can get you norated fast. I see no where where you were rated down over and over, your rates are generally the same up as down.
It appears you have not been able to rate for some time. I will ask around and see whom may have pushed the button. You may be able to appeal to that admin for another chance, but dang 500 posts!!!
Dirty socks are taken to laundry as often as we can, but do you know how hard it is to tell if it really is a little sister or not?! We ban a lot more than you realize.
It appears you have not been able to rate for some time. I will ask around and see whom may have pushed the button. You may be able to appeal to that admin for another chance, but dang 500 posts!!!
Dirty socks are taken to laundry as often as we can, but do you know how hard it is to tell if it really is a little sister or not?! We ban a lot more than you realize.
Mazra wrote:
It's meant as a way for users to remove unwanted posts, but people mostly use the karma system as a sort of way to say "I disagree with you, but I'm too much of a chicken to come out and say it, so I'll just rate you down. Plus, rating you down lowers your overall karma rating which gives me a slight tingle in my pants. Ooh!"
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Yea, it's a wall o' text. But pay attention to the bolded.
Edited, Feb 5th 2007 11:41am by Kaelesh
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Edited, Feb 5th 2007 11:41am by Kaelesh
The norate flag's been on your account a while. I removed it.
You're right, it should auto-expire after a short time, except in extreme cases.
There are two problems with the Karma system at the moment.
1) it takes too many rates of "1" to make a post from a user with 1 post vanish. (7 I think it is) As a result people feel the need to ask for admin intervention too often.
2) People feel the need for admin intervention too often, see point #1.
Socks: I don't give a hoot. There's nothing wrong with having multiple accounts, any account that behaves poorly should be dealt with by the community, and in the event that the behavior is so extreme that the karma system can't quite keep up, adminly dealt with. There is no one account-one person policy, or one account/ip policy. Just a one account / email policy.
no admin should ever confirm or deny the existence or not of "socks", there's nothing wrong with a person having multiple personalities, even more power too you if you want to upgrade all your accounts
You're right, it should auto-expire after a short time, except in extreme cases.
There are two problems with the Karma system at the moment.
1) it takes too many rates of "1" to make a post from a user with 1 post vanish. (7 I think it is) As a result people feel the need to ask for admin intervention too often.
2) People feel the need for admin intervention too often, see point #1.
Socks: I don't give a hoot. There's nothing wrong with having multiple accounts, any account that behaves poorly should be dealt with by the community, and in the event that the behavior is so extreme that the karma system can't quite keep up, adminly dealt with. There is no one account-one person policy, or one account/ip policy. Just a one account / email policy.
no admin should ever confirm or deny the existence or not of "socks", there's nothing wrong with a person having multiple personalities, even more power too you if you want to upgrade all your accounts
--Illia
Fumus, draco magus incoluit mare.
Myrx - 70 Holy Priest, Myr - 70 Resto Shaman, Gryd - 70 Prot Warrior
Fumus, draco magus incoluit mare.
Myrx - 70 Holy Priest, Myr - 70 Resto Shaman, Gryd - 70 Prot Warrior
Illia wrote:
The norate flag's been on your account a while. I removed it.
Thank you Illia.
Illia wrote:
there's nothing wrong with a person having multiple personalities, even more power too you if you want to upgrade all your accounts
HAHA that's funny!
Kween Darqflame wrote:
Illia wrote:
The norate flag's been on your account a while. I removed it.
Thank you Illia.
Illia wrote:
there's nothing wrong with a person having multiple personalities, even more power too you if you want to upgrade all your accounts
HAHA that's funny!
So my "brother" could get "his" own premium account? >=)
Is there any way you could transfer the premium from my old account to my new account?
Shogen ----> Shojindo?
It was still premium until April. I cancelled the auto-renewal in a "Fight the power statement",(and becuase I wanted to use my WoW name), but I really like those new WoW sigs that Illia made. They are so tempting. :D
Plus I finally got around to using WoW reader and I enjoy the profile it makes.
Sorry for the derail but this seemed as good a place as any to ask. Worth a shot.
Edited, Feb 5th 2007 4:14pm by Shojindo
Shogen ----> Shojindo?
It was still premium until April. I cancelled the auto-renewal in a "Fight the power statement",(and becuase I wanted to use my WoW name), but I really like those new WoW sigs that Illia made. They are so tempting. :D
Plus I finally got around to using WoW reader and I enjoy the profile it makes.
Sorry for the derail but this seemed as good a place as any to ask. Worth a shot.
Edited, Feb 5th 2007 4:14pm by Shojindo
An old silent pond...
A frog jumps into the pond,
splash! Silence again.
~ Matsuo Basho
A frog jumps into the pond,
splash! Silence again.
~ Matsuo Basho
Send me an email on the subject please. I'll need to verify that you own both accounts.
--Illia
Fumus, draco magus incoluit mare.
Myrx - 70 Holy Priest, Myr - 70 Resto Shaman, Gryd - 70 Prot Warrior
Fumus, draco magus incoluit mare.
Myrx - 70 Holy Priest, Myr - 70 Resto Shaman, Gryd - 70 Prot Warrior
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Send me an email on the subject please. I'll need to verify that you own both accounts.
Thank you! Will do.
An old silent pond...
A frog jumps into the pond,
splash! Silence again.
~ Matsuo Basho
A frog jumps into the pond,
splash! Silence again.
~ Matsuo Basho
Jophiel wrote:
I don't rate down a whole lot but, if a post sucks, I'm not really under an obligation to dignify it with a written response.
Well, spam and such obviously does not require a reply. But take my above post as an example, or the OP.
Unless... Oh, I see what you did there.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Heh, I didn't rate down either. I just don't get the "You owe me an explanation" mindset.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Sometimes it's nice to know why someone saw your post as garbage.
How can you evolve if you aren't told what you do wrong? Trial and error often results in sub-default.
How can you evolve if you aren't told what you do wrong? Trial and error often results in sub-default.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
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