Zam.com Q&AFollow

No, incorrect again.. That is your interpretation of the RMT which you are entitled to. However, you were the one whom needed to thrust your opinion with the heard (follower) of this thread.

While the gold is imaginary or virtual, the time that it takes to acquire is not. Just because you are poverty stricken, quite frankly, is not my care or concern. I told you, I'll give you money (or gold if you prefer) to do an extra special job on the rims of my S55.. However, there is NOTHING dishonest about it. I'm glad you have your integrity, I have the items and things that I want to satisy MY need for MY hobby. Sure, I understand you're a failure in life, and a failure in the game.. Sure, I can even understand how you feel to be looking in through the outdoor so to speak.. I mean, all the people with money to spend on items and gold are evil, because they HAVE and YOU don't! SHAME ON THEM!

Welcome to America buddy.. Suck it up, or zip it up.. Either way, you lose (probably because your gear sucks!)

LOL

Gildaman, I agreed with everything you said, until you basically said everyone who doesn't buy RMT is a failure at life.

**** off.

That was directed at him and the supporters

Didn't mean for it to come out towards everyone. But I do direct it at him and people that have taken the stance that everyone that strongly believes the way he does - classifying everyone who particpates in the RMT business as failures and cheats. That's just not so.

Please accept my apologies if I offended you.

IMHO - people can play their game and enjoy their hobby any way they want to. That's what it's all about afterall.. Isn't it?

You didn't see me or anyone for that matter on threads saying how bad someone sucks because they don't buy items/gold to save them time. You don't see anyone saying how foolish they are for not spending $50.00 or $100.00 to save countless hours of gridning.

It's people that push their way of thinking on to other people that I'm at odds with here. If people don't choose to play the way I do, (and many many others) - then great.. Don't play that way. Why is there a need to post how bad some people are? If you are going to cancel your membership here, and you are going to stop reading and posting here because Alla took a business opportunity to make sure this site stays amongst the best - then GO. Just stop posting, and get out of here. Who cares if you are going to cancel. The deal seems to have been inked. There's nothing anyone can do about it. This isn't up for vote on who likes it, or who doesn't -- this is not a reader poll. Alla seems to have been quite proud of making an arrangement here and trying to inform the people he's worked his *** off for (for years) that awesome things are going to take place.. New servers, more staff, more information. This is why we all come to these sites isn't it?

Seriously Erawyn, I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.. It really wasn't directed at you. It was directed mainly at the other guy who's been going tit-for-tat with me.. Please, don't take offense to it..

Gildman --

Except you're cheating. And cheating is what pisses everyone off. You can't take roids in sports, you can't put nitrous in your NASCAR, you can't do a lot of things in a lot of games and RMT happens to be one of them. THAT is why people give gilbuyers a hard time. You're cheaters, you should be given a hard time.

for some reason, reading all this reminds me of when G4 bought TechTV and all the promises we got from there. we all know where those went, don't we?

Wrong, steroids are illegal - by law without a prescription.

There is nothing Illegal about this.

Companies like IGE aren't the bad people here. If the companies really wanted to stop it, then prove it's a violation of their IP rights, and shut them down. It will NEVER happen. It's impossible. If there is ANYONE that people should be totally pissed off at, it should be SOE - Sony gave 100% validity to the existance of the secondary market. Station Exchange was the BEST thing that could have happened to their industry. A major publisher acknowledged that there was/is and WILL BE a tremendous demand for these types of services and/or items. For the record I will not ever play a SOE game again (not because of RMT, but because their support sucks as do their games) -

In my view, as I've said previsouly (this is my view) - that people should be able to use the items they spend their time and money to earn, develop or acquire any way they so choose. While it's certainly not illegal to be involved with RMT in any way, it's frowned upon. I acknowledge this, and I've made the decision that this is how I enjoy to play the games I have time for.

It's probably a good thing that companies that are involved with this do have integrity. If not, I'd cringe about the people they could make really look bad - the ones that come out against it (so they can fit in with the crowd) - but are easily trackable because of their sig files that have had items delivered to them..

Don't hate.. Just go back to hacking and slashing, and buying gold when your item doesn't make you smile anymore and you can't get into the "elitist" guilds because you're not on par..

Most of all, enjoy the game the way YOU want to enjoy it. Just don't infringe upon anyone elses fun by blasting them for what they want to do..

In all reality, it's no different if you're in a large guild, and your GM is giving you gold, weapons or items. Sure, you are more fortunate than most, but is that cheating? Is it cheating because it's being handed to you? Is it different if you have a level 60 and your friend comes to the server, and you give him a 1000 gold to start off his level 1.. What's the difference? So I don't know anyone here, I want the same thing.. I can afford 1000 gold.. Big deal.. Who really cares..

It's not like the items were DUPED -- EXPLOITING the game because of a bug. The gold and items in these games were farmed by someone. Who cares. I'm paying them for their time. Just like I would pay ANY employee to do a job for me.

Let me understand and say it one more time just to understand..

If I bring my level 1 to Server A, horde side.. My friend whom is in an uber guild gives me 1000 gold or 2000 gold to help catch up.. Or the killer sword, or armor so I don't get killed as easily.. That's ok..

But if I don't know someone on a server, but I want to play there.. I spend $100.00 of my own money, to get that 1000 or 2000 gold to get that killer sword, or armor so I don't get killed so easily.. That's bad?

You know what I say?

Bull****. I can play anyway I choose to.

And you choose to be lazy and cheat.

Just admit it.

I don't support RMT, but I don't condemn it either, especially since the fact tha game I play hires GMs from a company that supports RMT. They wash each other's hands, if you get my drift. I don't buy online currency, party because of morales, partly because I think it's stupid to buy online currency, and partly because I'm a broke *** college student using loans and financial aid to pay for my tuition. But hey, to each their own. You wanna support RMT, fine by me. I'm just using these forums as an excuse to procrastinate my research paper.

I choose to work at a real job, and spend the money I earn to enjoy the hobby I play the way I want to.

You going to take me up on the bumper sticker offer?

I can really understand your point of view. I mean, if I worked at Circle K for $6.00 an hour, I'd be extremely jealous of the people that had the advantage to be "lazy and cheat" because they are spending their hard earned dollars on their hobby the way they want.. Afterall, they'd have what I want, and no way for me to get it without me playing for hundreds of hours.

Since you'd be playing for all that time, you're not lazy. Is that the point you're trying to make?

So please, spin the last thing I've said..

You have a friend on an established server, you create a new character to play.. He gives you 1000 gold. -- That's not cheating? Or is it?

You'd turn it down, because it's dishonest.. I'm sure you would.. Right?

So please, again, explain to me what the difference is with that scenario.. Taking items/gold from a friend, or paying someone or a company that spent their time to get what I wanted?

Proof please. Show me something reputable, not something posting on a personal blog.

Fine. Other examples of cheating include blood doping, running outside of the baselines, the nitrous example I've already given, using shoes with thicker soles than regulation in a basketball game. You're not allowed to give money to refs, you can't take uppers before a game (even legal ones), or spitting on the ball before throwing it. You can't put adhesive on a wide receiver's hands, longer spikes on a running backs cleats, or bug your opponent's locker room. Cheating is cheating, jackass. Every time you log into the game you agree to the terms of service that specifically say that you cannot use RMT in any way. It's a contract, you should read it sometime.



Technically SE can sue every user for breach of contract, who uses RMT. IGE can't be stopped because they are a fence. Technically IGE doesn't HAVE the money, private individuals do and they are just connected through IGE for a "finder's fee". Fences never touch stolen property and IGE wouldn't operate any differently. Just because you haven't been prosecuted doesn't mean you haven't done anything illegal. Sometimes people just do cost/benefit analysis and realize it's not worth it.

You should really start searching threads about a company who was sued by "farmers" for having their accounts banned because of violation of the "EULA" --

You'll see a certain court did in fact rule against the publishers, ruled the EULA not enforceable with regards to reselling of in game items. Ordered the accounts to be restored, and they paid fines in the neighborhood of 6 figures..

Happy searching. (I'll make it easier for you) -- this did not happen in United States.