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#727 May 05 2006 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Just gonna comment on 1 thing:

I have seen somepage mentioned several times. Over the past year or 2 I have been using alla & somepage both. People want to jump ship to somepage....yet they have IGE ads advertising RMT all over their site. Dont jump from the pot into the fire.

(no I'm not supporting the merger, but I'm not going to post anything other then the above on the issue)

#728 May 05 2006 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:Iamadam when they bought us, they bought assets and liabilities and assumed all contracts. One of the contracts we have is our privacy policy which specifically states that we will not sell your information. Thus, they can't violate that policy.


Intesting. A "privacy policy" is really just that, an internal "policy." Policies can be changed at any time on a whim. How do you propose to protect the personal policies you had for this, your personal site, when your new employer (and now owner of this site) tell you to change it? What you gonna do, quit the job? That won't do anything to protect the privacy of the users of this site.

In addition, unlike Europe, the USA does not have a data protection act in place; therefore all that lovely information they have can beused as they like. Glad I never gave credit card information to you ;)
#729 May 05 2006 at 10:27 AM Rating: Default
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Request to Allakhazam Administrators

1. Please make a locked thread with the posts from the administrators on this topic. Reading all of the statements that you have made in a single place would have helped make the situation much clearer. If I want to ***** or ask new questions I'll come here and do it. Also it is quite hard to track you position on some of the finer points over 15 pages of over 700 posts.

2. Even better I think you should try and formulate a specific page explaining the overall deal in detail and looking at the issues raised by the community and trying to address them. I think you need to answer specific detailed issues and concerns of the community. You have to address concerns that our personal data will be shared because you belong to the same legal entity, Alla will be financing IGE, RMT will be forced upon Alla by the parent company etc etc There are a lot of these issues raised in the thread. You are not stupid - pull them out - respond to them - and make it easy to find and read - god knows i hope you addressed these when you signed the contract and have legally binding agreements with your parent co that this will not happen.

It is clear you have done a fantastic job here up to now. You need to re-assure your community. It seems you have spent a long time sorting out this deal and clearly you put a great deal of thought into it. I am sure you and your staff wrestled with the same issues the community are raising. You must take and clearly state your position to the people !

My personal opinion is there is insufficient information to draw a conclusion at this point, but I am seriously concerned and I hope Alla can provide a clear picture in a single page addressing the issues to gain my trust and respect back.

To a certain extent unless you take the sort of action I have proposed above, I may yet leave Alla because I actually think you are being less than clear over the situation and are quite possibly masking the truth. The odd post in a 700+ post forum doesn’t cut it for me - I am sorry. Something as big and ugly as this issue can be deserves better attention and better respect to the community.


AGREED!
#730 May 05 2006 at 10:34 AM Rating: Default
I plan on destroying the new partnership by using the new website w/o membership and wasting their bandwidth for my own evul purposes! >:}

Ok, so that wont do much... or anything at all.... But I suppose if they still have the info I need, and although all this crap sucks, I'd probably use the information on the forums. I have been impressed with the timelyness and information given on Wikipedia recently, especially when it involved the Expansion. Loved you Alla [especially you, Pikko <3 ] .. but ima have to say bu-bye too.

Edit: past tense fixed ... Mrs. Johnson from 5th grade would have killed me *_*

Edited, Fri May 5 11:42:55 2006 by loqueid
#731 May 05 2006 at 10:39 AM Rating: Default
This does not bode well.

How can I get a refund of my recent Premium renewal?
#732 May 05 2006 at 10:51 AM Rating: Default
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Huxli, Defender of Justice wrote:
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The rest of us seem to have morals.


No you don't. You sound like whiney, gibbering morons that seem to give more a crap about a video game than real world problems, like wars, genocides, and environmental disasters.

There are bigger problems in the world than litter in our streets, but we still pick up the trash.

I'm not a pig.

You want to live in trash fine, pig.

But I'm getting out of this pigsty, pig.


Yea, there are other problems in this world, but it's not like we can only take care of one thing at a time. Most of us are smart enough, and capable enough, to multi-task.


I'm sorry, after reading some of your other posts I considered not posting this overtly offensive responce, but then I reread "whiney, gibbering morons" again, and decided you deserve it after all.

Oink Oink *************. Oink Oink.
#733 May 05 2006 at 10:52 AM Rating: Default
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Materous the Sly wrote:
What's funny is that people don't understand the idea of a parent company. The company that owns IGE could also own Merck and create the cure for cancer. Would you not support the cure for cancer because the company that owns it also owns IGE? It's a parent company. They own things. Hell, Phillip-Morris owns Kraft and Marlboro! Buy our Easy-Mac, smoke our cigarettes.
If anyone creates the cure for cancer it will be a doctor, scientist, or chemist. They may work for Merck, but if they don't they'll work for someone else. They'll still do their work; regardless.

Let's imagine a more likely scenario. Let's imagine a bio-tech operation that's working on the cure for cancer and new bio-warfare, and another bio-tech operation that is totally opposed to bio-warfare. I'm putting my money in the latter operation, and if the former have to let their bio-techs go due to lack of support, those techs are likely to move to the latter operation, where they will continue to work on the cure for cancer unhindered by demand for bio-weapons. They will be MORE likely to find the cure for cancer when they're not being pushed to create weapons instead. You're damn right I'm going to be against the company creating bio-weapons regardless of their efforts to cure cancer.


And Kraft?.. There are other snack food/cheese manufacturers. If they go out of bussiness it's not like we're going to be without snacks and cheese. Their products are nasty anyways. I've always preferred real cheese. I buy my snacks and cheese from local delis and bakerys, where the quality is 1000% better than the processed crap that Kraft produces.
#734 May 05 2006 at 10:53 AM Rating: Default
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Desert loving in your eyes all the way
If I listen to your lies would you say
I’m a man without conviction
I’m a man who doesn’t know
How to sell a contradiction
You come and go
You come and go

Karma karma karma karma karma chameleon
You come and go
You come and go
Loving would be easy if your colors were like my dream
Red, gold and green
Red, gold and green

Didn’t hear your wicked words every day
And you used to be so sweet I heard you say
That my love was an addiction
When we cling our love is strong
When you go you’re gone forever
You string along
You string along

Every day is like a survival
You’re my lover not my rival
Every day is like a survival
You’re my lover not my rival

I’m a man without conviction
I’m a man who doesn’t know
How to sell a contradication
You come and go
You come and go last
#735 May 05 2006 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Now here's the thing that really bugs me. All of you guys are shouting that Alla sold you out, hung you out to dry, buried the knife in your back. From what i've gathered reading some of this thread, Alla is/was at some time a dude working out of his house, providing you with these forums. So my question is, where's the gratitude? If this is your home, why are you so quick to burn it down? If all things are equal, and loyalty is loyalty, does not the door swing both ways? Are you all not bound by some imperative of loyalty? That is to say, are you not guilty of the same crime if you immediately withdraw your support? Perhaps instead of acting rashly, in the heat of the moment, you might let up a little and agree to see where this all goes. If your premium accounts are bargaining chips, would they not be put to better use, say, if the parent company tried to wrest controll of the site somewhere down the line?


QFT. This is one of the more level-headed posts I have seen in the entire 15 pages. I would hate to have you all as friends who are so quick to stab one in his back.

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No one who has voiced a negative opinion has ridden anyone's *** for saying they're not going to leave. It's a select few of the people who are saying "I'm behind you 100%" who are trying to shame the unhappy or disappointed into silence by pretending that voicing an opinion in the appropriate place is still inappropriate if you disagree with it.


Actually, they have. The "select few" of the people who are behind Alla on his decision are probably much more than all you protestors would want. 80 percent of the people on this site are likely to not give a damn. The other 20 percent probably are completely for or completely against. That is just common bell curve statistics. I am not trying to shame anyone when I say I am behind him 100 percent, I am saying it because he is a human being dealing with his own business, and hearing my loyal customers stab me in the back would suck for me. Remember the golden rule. Put in his position most of you would be singing a different tune. This business is not yours, despite the fact that because you pay for it you think it is. Voice your opinion here if you want, but don't think your all-mighty cause is worth it to most of the premium members who are paying. They may just like the site because it's a damn good website.
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#736 May 05 2006 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
one thing i have never understood.. if so many of you people hate IGE why not just hack them? I mean technically its legal because their located in China isn't it? They claim they sell gil because american laws don't apply to them so then american hacking/cracking laws shoulden't apply to them either. I think it would be funny if someone hacked them and messed up all their sales.
#737 May 05 2006 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry, after reading some of your other posts I considered not posting this overtly offensive responce, but then I reread "whiney, gibbering morons" again, and decided you deserve it after all.




I debated editing my response because it was somewhat offensive -- and misdirected. I don't think everyone that's against this decision is a moron. But anyway -- the problem is with a very particular type of person who thinks this is some moral issue hand down to them through divine inspiration. The issue is not black and white. It's calling someone immoral because they shop at a store that's owned by another company that ones another property where they do a poor job with cleanup up their trash.

Telling them you think they shouldn't because they are indirectly supporint littering (even though the store takes exta care with their garbage) is fine. Calling them immoral is going way overboard. This is what I responded to.

At the same time, if RMT is that morally wrong, really do something about it. Stop playing MMOs. They are the biggest supported of the RMT business. If the mmo's lose enough revenue because of this maybe they will institute better in game mechanics to make gold selling not profitable. (My suggestion is not allow direct transfer of money and placing caps on trivial items.)
#738 May 05 2006 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
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#739 May 05 2006 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Actually, they have. The "select few" of the people who are behind Alla on his decision are probably much more than all you protestors would want.
"Select few" refers to the vocal "Why aren't you protesting XYZ you stupid whiner?" minority within the probable majority who'll conduct business here as usual.
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This business is not yours, despite the fact that because you pay for it you think it is.
I haven't seen anyone make that argument yet. However, as paying customers who I'd assume Alla wants to remain paying customers, our opinions on his business still have merit.

As for the backstabbing bit, I already told Alla what I thought. What he thinks (if anything) about my opinion is completely up to him.
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#740 May 05 2006 at 11:35 AM Rating: Default
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darkraine wrote:
one thing i have never understood.. if so many of you people hate IGE why not just hack them? I mean technically its legal because their located in China isn't it? They claim they sell gil because american laws don't apply to them so then american hacking/cracking laws shoulden't apply to them either. I think it would be funny if someone hacked them and messed up all their sales.
Governments are like parents; especially when it comes to international incidents.

Some are like good parents who keep their children in line, while others are like ghetto mommas who think their kids **** doesn't stink no matter what they do.

If Ming Yow Phat hacks your computer, Canada will ***** at China for you, and China will go ghetto momma on Canada and say "Mings mah bebe he can do what he want.. he's a angel", and they won't punish him.

However, if you hacked Ming Yow Phats computer, China would ***** at Canada, and Canada would be a responsible parent, and send you to your room.



Double standard? Absolutely, but most western governments pride themselves on their moral superiority, and act responsibly. Our governments also do everything they can to try and keep things peaceful with the rest of the world (some more than others), which means punishing international offenders accordingly.

Many non western governments, be they third world or communist empires, just don't give a crap about whether the rest of the world likes them as long as they have things their way. Why do we try to please these selfish ghetto mommas? Sometimes I wonder that myself... I think we do it to prevent further international friction, which could lead to further incidents and wars, but frankly these people aren't helping us, and have no qualms about going to war over stupid crap, so... maybe we should just bomb their asses o.o Sometimes you've got to knock a building down before you can make a better one =/
#741 May 05 2006 at 11:39 AM Rating: Default
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The one thing i have never understood about people on these forum's is the fact that they read what they want too read, and blatantly ignore the 80~90% of what has been stated by the admin.
Then run about like headless chicken's, screaming and crying about a bunch of half truth's and misinterpretated facts.

Also the other thing that i find is pretty funny is at least 50% of you people crying and being a baby about the fact that Alla has been bought by the Parent company of IGE.
Is that you are the gil/gold/plat buyers keeping them in business.

How contradicting are you?

"OMG i hate you Alla!
*Cough. Awesome i can get discount gold with my prem account /cheer .Cough*
I hope you all die, my Prem has been deactivated"

Sure it has.

Now please.. go ahead and start crying about this post, just too prove my point ^.^;



#742 May 05 2006 at 11:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Also the other thing that i find is pretty funny is at least 50% of you people crying and being a baby about the fact that Alla has been bought by the Parent company of IGE.
Is that you are the gil/gold/plat buyers keeping them in business.
And you pulled this number from which *******? Smiley: dubious
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#743 May 05 2006 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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TzaHades wrote:
Also the other thing that i find is pretty funny is at least 50% of you people crying and being a baby about the fact that Alla has been bought by the Parent company of IGE.
Is that you are the gil/gold/plat buyers keeping them in business.
And you pulled this number from which *******? Smiley: dubious


Careful, if you ask that question, you probably aren't going to like the answer.....
#744 May 05 2006 at 11:52 AM Rating: Default
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Congradulations on loosing my patronage. I refuse to support any company which is owned by RMT. Way to sell out guys.
#745 May 05 2006 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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Also the other thing that i find is pretty funny is at least 50% of you people crying and being a baby about the fact that Alla has been bought by the Parent company of IGE.
Is that you are the gil/gold/plat buyers keeping them in business.
Actually, in my experience, people who regularly purchase accounts/gil/gold/plat/hamsters are not interested in giving anything back to the community. Hence, they will not be on a community oriented website such as this.

I do, however, think people are letting themselves be controlled by their emotions, and thus are overreacting to the situation. I trust Mr. Allakhazam to do what is best for his business, and for his customers.

If, in the future, the worst of the doom-and-gloom predictions come to pass, then it will be time for me to move on. For now, the most appropriate action is to wait and see how things pan out.
#746 May 05 2006 at 11:58 AM Rating: Default
Oh yeah.... he took some money away from Ige... Isn't that special? Let's get together for a hug you pansy...

And the sellout that runs this board? All this time he acts like he is one of us? Please. He is like a Chinese prostitute. Got news for you partner. No Tiki no washi.
#747 May 05 2006 at 11:59 AM Rating: Default
Bye

I supported you as you stated you hated 'Gold Sellers'

I will not be renewing my subscription.

I have deleted all my info.

I will not be back.
#748 May 05 2006 at 11:59 AM Rating: Default
Props to you Agranon. That fool really is stoopid.
#749 May 05 2006 at 12:01 PM Rating: Default
does this mean that they are not going to do "gamers get a date night?"

at least ige probably has lots of good chicks. they have the cash and cash=chicks.
#750 May 05 2006 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Now here's the thing that really bugs me. All of you guys are shouting that Alla sold you out, hung you out to dry, buried the knife in your back. From what i've gathered reading some of this thread, Alla is/was at some time a dude working out of his house, providing you with these forums. So my question is, where's the gratitude? If this is your home, why are you so quick to burn it down? If all things are equal, and loyalty is loyalty, does not the door swing both ways? Are you all not bound by some imperative of loyalty? That is to say, are you not guilty of the same crime if you immediately withdraw your support? Perhaps instead of acting rashly, in the heat of the moment, you might let up a little and agree to see where this all goes. If your premium accounts are bargaining chips, would they not be put to better use, say, if the parent company tried to wrest controll of the site somewhere down the line?


Do you also look down on ppl who divorce their spouse after their spouse cheats on them? The majority of consumers are now divorcing Alla's for betrayal, yet you have the nerve to criticize them...
#751 May 05 2006 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Huxli, Defender of Justice wrote:
At the same time, if RMT is that morally wrong, really do something about it. Stop playing MMOs. They are the biggest supported of the RMT business. If the mmo's lose enough revenue because of this maybe they will institute better in game mechanics to make gold selling not profitable. (My suggestion is not allow direct transfer of money and placing caps on trivial items.)
Honestly, I don't think it's morally wrong in and of itself either. It's just another commodity. The problem is that IGE is like the mob. They are extorting us, and "attacking" us in game with MPK tactics. It's not the RMT itself I have a problem with.. it's IGE; the CGFs; MPKers.

I'm also torn on how it should be dealt with, particularly because of my position on illigal drugs.


I believe there was a lesson to be learned from the prohibition that most people didn't learn. Prohibition simply boosted organized crime to astronomical proportions by providing them with a new product. The lesson is that prohibiting the sale of certain goods and services only creates and inflates the black market economy.

I believe that the black market today consists of two main products, with maybe a few high end stolen artifacts thrown in the middle. Those two things are guns and drugs. However, I firmly believe that the gun trade only exists because of the black markets need to protect itself, since they can't go to the police when they're robbed, they must protect their own product, and for that they need guns.

If we were to allow the sale of narcotics on the open market big drug companys like Phiser and Merck might immediately dominate the market. The street corner thugs would be out of a product to sell, and without the drug trade they wouldn't need guns anymore either. Organized crime would be squashed like a bug.


How does this relate to RMT. Easy.. it's basically a black market. Seedy bastards dominate the market because noone legitimate is allowed to. Legitimize RMT and IGE dies.



However, there is another way, and it's easier with games than it is with the real life drug trade. Destroy the product entirely. (pretty much impossible with drugs; we've been trying for decades and it's not working.. we're just wasting money trying)

Game money and rare items sell for real money because they're hard to get. Making every rare drop rare/ex wouldn't do it, because they'd still keep selling characters. The only thing left is to destroy rarity. Flood the market with every rare item till we're literally dropping them because they're worthless. If they're worthless they won't sell for real money.

But that would destroy the "fun" of having gear that's hard to get, and makes you stand out from everyone else. Yea, it would, but honestly I think there are more people that don't care about that than there are elitists that do. If everyone cared about the work involved in obtaining rare items there wouldn't be RMT, but they don't. They just want the item. Game makers can fix this one, at the expense of a few elitists, but they can fix it.


I see it as a choice between having elite gear and having RMT or having neither. You just can't get rid of one without losing the other; you just can't.

I can live without elite gear. I don't mind if everyone has the same armor as long as we can still have fun with it.

Edited, Fri May 5 13:22:25 2006 by ThePalace
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