Zam.com Q&AFollow

I really really want my money back for premium.

Even IF there will never be gil seller adds on this site, you are now 100% associated with THEM. I don't want to be associated with YOU.

Well well, another sellout. Its sad that so many people sellout these days, makes my respect level go up for those that continue to sellout. Money is not everything, however people seem to forget this. Sure its nice to have in this life but none of that matters when you die. Its amazing how you can build a community like this and do something that is going to hurt you in the end, it does not matter if you promote RMT or not, just be being owned by a company that owns IGE in effect says you support RMT. After all, those that pay for service here, well that money now goes to IGE in effect. I for one hope that this new network tanks and is the end of you.

Congratulations Alla and Illia.

Coming from a family business that sold itself "to the enemy" I can understand some of what you are going through. Like you've stated, the acquisition will likely give you the funds to do all sorts of new things for the site. I do hope that you all have done well financially in the deal, the site is worth a lot of money.

As a gamer, contributor, past donator to the site (back when you just accepted donations), and current Premium User I am saddened. While it was just you guys running the site, I had no issues with contributing information for free or supporting you financially. Afterall, you're gamers like me. Now I know that some of my money will be going to a company that supports the multi-million dollar trade in plat and cheats. Sure, the service I get will likely increase, but I have to decide whether or not the service is worth the knowledge of where my money goes.

Don't let all the people calling you "sellouts" get you down. They don't understand what you've gone through and they don't understand what you have in mind for new services.

I do hope that you tuck away a large portion of the money you've received for selling and save a good portion of your paycheck. Large corporations don't care about what you and all the players have put into this site, they care about how much money they make (and you can't blame them for that)

Good luck to you. Hopefully the new services you hope to offer will bring back some of the people who have cancelled their accounts.

WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Sorry, it seems like the popular thing so I thought I'd contribute in a large way.

The link to IGE may or may not be as strong as everyone is speculating. However, in the responses it is evident that Alla recognized before hand that there was a link.

A resonable amount of thought on the matter would have revealed what the reactions of the community might be.

No matter how you spin it, even if you say it's for the 'good of the community', in the end it came down to:

money in your pocket >>>>>>>>>> Respect for the community.


And that's fine. Really it is. Just say it. It's obvious that the vast majority of people here would rather stick with the current technology then be "in bed" with a company that costs us RL hours and RL frustration. Just tell me you wanted to get paid and that will be enough, but don't try to sell the 'its what's best for the community' when 99% of people here are outraged at it. The response could have easily been predicted.......

Reason. Courtesy. Patience. These are things that have no place in an Alla forum. Ironically enough, this is why I have not previously paid for premium membership, but if the hot-head, gut-reaction crowd is clearing out, I may reconsider that.

But what the hey, I'm a glutton for punishment. I can't resist to at least throw out a little attempt to interject some actual thinking into this.

The biggest single mistake that Alla made was thinking that many of the people that post here would see this as any way other than dichotomously. Money is a web. If you have money, then you are supporting gil sellers. It's more complicated than they think it is. Shocker.

In a nutshell: Alla did not buy IGE. IGE did not buy Alla. A parent company (currently unidentified) has bought both IGE and Alla. Some are saying that IGE made up the parent company in order to trick the Alla users by buying Alla indirectly. The only evidence of this was a thread posted on Alla last year that said that Alla was bought by IGE in secret last year, which isn't true.

In a smaller nutshell: People are idiots. Just wait and see before jumping to conclusions, eh?

My premium membership was up for renewal a few days ago. I'm very glad I found out about it before I renewed. Allakhazam's site has been a valuable resource for me since I started playing EQ in 1999. I've been a premium member since "premium membership" was offered.

I'll not contribute another dime (or penny for that matter) to a site that is in any way affiliated with IGE. No matter what smoke and mirrors you expect me to look at it through, IGE still profits from my membership.

Sorry Alla, I've been with you from the beginning, but we go our separate ways now. Gods, I hope eqtraders doesn't get sucked up by this lunacy.

i always said **** alla at the beginning. so no difference here

what if
Mystery parent company's parent company = SE...

lol j/k

but then again it isnt too hard to believe, nearly all the other asian MMO companies RMTs directly (you can even buy game items at your local 7-11 for your favorite MMO) and soon all xbox gamers will RMT through xbox live.


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IGE = leader of an ~$800mil and growing industry worldwide.
Alla = network of user dependant, profit through ads, minimum user subscription/(donation) of 15,000-20,000? MMO content/info sites.

whatever profit alla can make probably just barely cover the "eat sushi off nakkid models" expense budget over at IGE.

in comparison:
IGE = Juggernaut
Alla = something the begins with the letter 'B_ _ _ _'














Edited, Thu May 4 04:23:16 2006 by Telimek

Ah yes, what a hot thread this is... started out with a nice announcement and lead on to the real truth coming out. I have a bad feeling about this. Reminds me of so many of the big corporations out there that buy that up and coming company, but you never seem to hear from that company again. Hmmmm, a certain company that seems to work this way comes to mind...

Microsoft - Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

you have a really bad atitude. Especialy since you are making others suffer for your ignorance.




wow.. you to... stand by the man or like i said get out. if he says there will be no gold selling then hey do this.. BELIEVE HIM





Let me explain to you how websites work.

you got guy A who has all this space and sites he wants run.
you got guy B who gets a site and pays guy A for the site and pays him more so thast he can do what he wants with it no questions asked. Meaning guy A has no affiliation with the workings of the site Guy B does.
You got guy C (alla) who pays Guy A ( YOU SEE THAT GUY A ) for his huge site filled with great information but tells guy A he doesnt want to affiliate with Guy B Guy A Agrees.


do you understand NOW? god...




Most networks have retuble administrators.also Alla has stated he still maintaints ownership over the network so he says who can access these. I dont think he would give someone access to that who was un trustworthy,




Go back to school... you OBVIOUSLY havent even read it like half of the others that posted he said
'WE WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE GOLD SELLING'

do people have to yell for you to read it?



Alla has said NO. only type of selling that I would think would even BE allowed is through SONY for EQ2. Sony Now allows you to buy and sell accounts items and plat from THEIR site.



gold sellers arent hurting you. and they dont physically strike you. they arent here threatening you or your family. Let the authorities deal with them. and let alla do what hes doing.... thats why hes in the position.. he nows what hes doing.




to bad. Alla has privacy agreements with us. IGE cannot force him to break those. if they do then they will be liable for hefty legal obligations.



try tansfer and services. alla doesnt sell anything does he? premium memberships go for the transfer the sites incur... I hardly think he makes a profit on it..




exactly.... and if i had owned this site... ida done banned you for your avy and sig... you need to stand WITH alla.




actually only 1% of all gamers in all these games actually play without buying money. so who cares. sony realized it and now does it if they do it why should you whine about it? ( SONY OWNS EVERQUEST! )

and actually marlboros damage the way we live and our lungs and our childrens lungs.



SOE sells gold... so you are the one that you shoudlve said that to... as we support SOE




if you use the site content... get premium.... every page you load costs in transfer... do your part to help offset those costs. saying OMG JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE GOIGN TO BE BETTER I WONT PAY YOU is childish.


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BULL-FRACKING-CHIT. You guys have purchased new servers several times, each time promising the same goddamn thing. Then you go off and develop something completely unrelated, IE: the WoW signature images. The actual fact of the matter is that you don't give a good goddamn about user satisfaction as long as the $ keeps rolling in. But hey why should you? You're no worse than any other company. Right?

I respected the fact that you guys were a small-time op, and I was more than happy to pay for premium because of that. Now I won't give you the time of day or brake if I see you crossing the street.

Way to be average and unoriginal Alla, kudos to you guys.
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lmao..... actually they have done a great job... you just cant cure slowness with a swift wrist movement.... this site probably averages thousands of people at one time.... you NEED more servers and better bandwidth alloted to handle all of those requests. That costs ALOT of money



After the 3rd page I stopped reading. all i saw were morons spewing out garbage.

If you are not going to support alla then just leave, alla needs friends and SUPPROT at this time. not your lame whining behaivor.


Let me tell you something. Alla IS the PREMIUM MMO site. I dont give a flying bird who owns alla. IT DOESNT MATTER WHO OWNS THEM. the fact is you get the SAME services PLUS better features. you get the SAME promises and sellers CONTINUE to be BANNED and the ADS CONTINUE to be REMOVED.


I support you alla 100% and if everyone else leaves then so be it I will still be here. good luck and I hope it works out.

Ah yes, what a hot thread this is... started out with a nice announcement and lead on to the real truth coming out. I have a bad feeling about this. Reminds me of so many of the big corporations out there that buy that up and coming company, but you never seem to hear from that company again. Hmmmm, a certain company that seems to work this way comes to mind...

Microsoft - Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.