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#227 May 03 2006 at 9:05 PM Rating: Good
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Plausible, but no proof yet, though I believe it might be. I'm going to give Alla the benefit of the doubt, for now.

link I posted traced rpgholdings/ogaming to IGE execs pretty well.
#228 May 03 2006 at 9:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Guys. Again. They are separate corporate entities. The profits from one do not go to the other. They don't even go directly to the holding company. That's the whole point of these sorts of business arrangements. If one goes belly-up, the parent company doesn't lose money. Same works in reverse though. Profits don't flow from one to the other.

Too many people think of corporations as privately owned businesses. "Ownership" does not mean the same thing in the corporate world. IGE will have *zero* impact or control on the operation and content of Alla's.

The profits from this site will not go to IGE, or directly to the parent company. The profits *may* reflect an increase in investment return for those holding shares of the parent company, but that's not the same thing. Your donations do *not* add to the parent company's bottom line. The only affect your contributions have is to the quality of this site.

I still think folks are really reading far too much into this.
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#229 May 03 2006 at 9:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Other than a peripheral connection with a company you don't like, there is absolutely nothing negative about this move. From a site wide perspective, we have gone from a site that was a small LLC partnership that had been forced to run very lean while watching the expenses grow and the income drop -- our most profitable site is still the Everquest one, even though it is not nearly the biggest any more -- to one with significant financial backing to allow it to continue to grow and develop. I am not saying that without this Allakhazam would have disappeared. Probably not. But I guarantee you that we would have continued to languish and would have struggled to keep up with our growing popularity. We are doing over 6 million page views a day now and hitting 100 mb/sec bandwidth usage. We are one of the top 1000 traffic sites on the entire internet. That aint cheap.

On an individual site basis, none of the things you liked about the site are going to change. We will not be running gil selling ads or promoting RMT. Instead, we will take what we have and build upon it to make things even better than before. And we get the added advantage of absorbing a good site like Ogaming and all of its people, so that instead of creating that from scratch, we get something already in existance.

Just ask yourself this. Would you rather have seen Allakhazam fade out and become a shell of its old self over time, or would you rather help build it into the best gaming community on the web? I know what answer I gave to that question.
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#230 May 03 2006 at 9:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I'll change my statement to look more like this.

My question still stands, though.

Do you want your name synonamous with IGE? Smiley: dubious

~Blix
#231 May 03 2006 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
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Plausible, but no proof yet, though I believe it might be. I'm going to give Alla the benefit of the doubt, for now.

~Blix
Agreed. I do feel Allakhazam deserves the benefit of the doubt in that he has been trustworthy to this point. I believe that, at a minimum, he believes zam.com will be allowed to operate entirely independently of the influence of IGE.

Here is my problem. It would not be in IGE's best interest to have no presence on this new network. Allakhazam alone is already one of the top most visited domains on the internet. Let that sink in. Consider that MMORPG players are a subset of the population at large. I find it difficult to believe that IGE would be willing to forgo advertising among such a large combined population of MMORPG fans.

Like I said, I believe that Allakhazam feels the integrity of the site is safe with the merger. I would be very interested in some of the small print of the agreement, however.
#232 May 03 2006 at 9:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Plausible, but no proof yet, though I believe it might be. I'm going to give Alla the benefit of the doubt, for now.

link I posted traced rpgholdings/ogaming to IGE execs pretty well.


Ok. Then that makes it even worse, I guess I just don't want to believe Allkhazam was that, to be frank, stupid. Smiley: frown

~Blix
#233 May 03 2006 at 9:08 PM Rating: Good
Can I get a refund for the next 4 months of premium I have already paid for please ? I dont want to affiliate myself or my credit card details with you. to me you just became worthless people.
#234 May 03 2006 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
I'm going to with hold my judgement until I see what happens. Keep in mind guys, this is only the first day that this has been up and really examined. I guess we'll see what happens either way.
#235 May 03 2006 at 9:14 PM Rating: Default
Alla, you suck..
#236 May 03 2006 at 9:17 PM Rating: Decent
Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:

On an individual site basis, none of the things you liked about the site are going to change. We will not be running gil selling ads or promoting RMT. Instead, we will take what we have and build upon it to make things even better than before. And we get the added advantage of absorbing a good site like Ogaming and all of its people, so that instead of creating that from scratch, we get something already in existance.



You're going to be bending over and taking it up the *** before you can say "Hey why did we sell out to that bunch of bastards" Your "million page views a day now and hitting 100 mb/sec bandwidth usage" Are going to be useless with half of your user base gone and nobody bothering to submit information to you because you are an affiliate of IGE's mummy. Why on earth do you think that a company that owns one of the biggest gil selling sites on the planet wants to own you ? Wake up and **** off
#237 May 03 2006 at 9:17 PM Rating: Good
Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
Just ask yourself this. Would you rather have seen Allakhazam fade out and become a shell of its old self over time, or would you rather help build it into the best gaming community on the web? I know what answer I gave to that question.
Obviously I do not want to see this happen, but then, what is the cost of this? I am still very much up in the air as far as keeping my membership renewed, though I am discouraged so far by what I have heard.

If the cost is, as you say, merely a peripheral connection, I can, in good conscience, continue supporting this particular site.

The problem is my feeling for IGE and its affiliates is far deeper than dislike. Their presence is a very real influence on MMORPGs that is almost impossible to quantify, but easy to identify.

I understand the specific advantage this site gets through this change, but I am worried about what will become of this site. As I mentioned in my previous post, how is it in IGE's interest to forgo advertising on thottbot, and other sites? This is the part of the deal that is not making sense to me right now.

Basically, I want to know what the catch is. On the surface, the deal seems almost too good to be true. More bandwidth, more paid admins, better content updates, all these are excellent things to strive for. But there must be some catch.

Edit: FYI - I would gladly have paid double for my premium access. It is so cheap it is almost a joke as far as costs go.

Edited, Wed May 3 22:20:41 2006 by Sarlos
#238 May 03 2006 at 9:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly though, I think we all need to just calm down and reserve judgement until Alla can fully disclose all the information relating to this. To pass such harsh judgements now would be quite shortsighted and foolish IMHO.

Edited, Wed May 3 22:25:18 2006 by Gasgiant
#239 May 03 2006 at 9:18 PM Rating: Good
IGE has a PR person called Andraste who handles their image on Internet forums. Gotta wonder about these posts from Allakhazam that are all spin and hype.

Andraste's writing style: http://www.corpnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2396


Edited, Wed May 3 22:25:36 2006 by MorvenDee
#240 May 03 2006 at 9:19 PM Rating: Decent
Is premium going to still be ad free?
#241 May 03 2006 at 9:24 PM Rating: Default
What a bunch of Jack you know whats..Give Alla a chance to do the magic we know they can. My check is in the mail. I belive you have to give ppl a chance.
#242 May 03 2006 at 9:24 PM Rating: Good
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Now that I think about it, I'm glad my wife's credit card walked away during the night. That forced us to close our old account number and get new cards/numbers/exp dates.

Autorenew or not (currently set to no), our new credit card number will never see Alla's servers.

From my very limited (barely 7 years) involvement with corporate america all I can say is g'luck Alla.....you'll need it. (keep in mind this is coming from a stay at home dad to a 2 year old girl)
#243 May 03 2006 at 9:25 PM Rating: Good
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If I know corporate contracts at all, there's usually a profitability clause in there somewhere. As long as Alla's retains a level of profitability, he retains control of this site as its own separate corporate entity. But if he doesn't maintain that level, the parent corporation may be able to legally take control. In other words, all your threats and cancelled subscriptions may very well be the one thing that *will* allow the "bad guys" to win.

Alla, tell us if this is true (or do one of those "If I accidentally double post my next message you can assume it's true" things. I know most parts of contracts are confidential.)
I still don't like the fact that my $$ could be in any way related to IGE, but it would be the first step in trying to take a breath above all this naysaying.

Sarlos wrote:
If the cost is, as you say, merely a peripheral connection, I can, in good conscience, continue supporting this particular site.

That's step 2, and one I agree with.
#244 May 03 2006 at 9:25 PM Rating: Decent
Final post on this **** but can we have some new smily's please ? I am thinking maybe a Gun ? Then a gun shooting ? Then a foot ? Then a foot being shot ? You know to kind of signify you shot yourselves in the foot ? kthxbye
#245 May 03 2006 at 9:26 PM Rating: Decent
I think so Katie.
#246 May 03 2006 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
I only see it costing the consumer more money. Here comes marketing oh *****. I mean it takes alot of gasoline to run a website.
#247 May 03 2006 at 9:29 PM Rating: Good
Allakhazam, PLEASE stop ignoring the big questions, even if you're going to just say "I'm not answering that for now."

There are still many unanswered questions. Your replies are skimming around the issue.

~Blix
#248 May 03 2006 at 9:32 PM Rating: Good
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IGE is a very profitable company


agreed. having warehouses in asia, russia etc, employing tons of people farming crap for all sorts of games, for pennies an hour, was a hell of an idea apparently.
#249 May 03 2006 at 9:32 PM Rating: Default
haha co[white][/white]ck suckers

Even by visiting your site I'm making you money weather or not I'm premium because your ads are getting more 'views'

So... later :D

#250 May 03 2006 at 9:36 PM Rating: Excellent
Alla, congratulations on a positive development for your business.
I won't be turning my renewal off yet, but your suggestion that this deal does nothing to link you in support of the gold sellers is ridiculous. You made the consious decision to sell your company to South Afrika during Aparthaid. Even if you never set foot in the country, you would have made the decision to put yourself in bed with the government that rounded up blacks and put them behind a fence.

F'uck it. Its like the citizens of Germany saying "We didn't know!" Your hands, though not guilty of turning the lever in the showers, will have as much blood on them as any soldier's. And you can't claim ignorance.

And you define sellout poorly. Your definition is a corporate one. Sticking around to "make it better" proves you're a sell-out. My definition is the ***-kissing poser who makes a ****** Skate-core album 'cuz the record company said it was the next big thing. You're psyched about the prospects of putting revenue in the hands of the people who own IGE. Cred gone.
#251 May 03 2006 at 9:37 PM Rating: Good
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TheBlix wrote:
Allakhazam, PLEASE stop ignoring the big questions, even if you're going to just say "I'm not answering that for now."

There are still many unanswered questions. Your replies are skimming around the issue.

~Blix


QFT

One of the bigger ones has to be WHY!? especially when you KNEW that IGE owned both thott and og. Hell, I even provided PROOF of that earlier in the thread that came straight from your mouth about a year ago. Wanting to keep the site alive and make upgrades and such is all well and good, but do you REALLY think that IGE would sell out to another company after buying out all competition?

I'm all for hoping things work out, but how can you really think that IGE would sell out when they themself bought out a ton of other companies and even tried to buy out you then threatened to run you out of business? Which, it seems like they were able to in a sense.

I just hope you made a pretty loop-hole free contract or worked some deal with this company so you don't get royally shafted.
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