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#1 Oct 05 2011 at 10:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm hoping some of you can simply explain how deductibles, copays, and the like work for me, because I'm sort of confused.

So, say I have a $200 deductible, a $5000 copay (I think?), and insurance covers 90%. From what I can tell, this means that I pay full price out of pocket for the first $200, then after that I pay 10% of costs until I've paid $5000, then insurance covers the rest from there? Or am I completely misunderstanding this?

edit: I'm not sure if copay is right, because I thought copay was a set amount you pay no matter what. However, I'm pretty sure that's what the person told me. I know that $5000 is the "out of pocket maximum" though.

Edited, Oct 5th 2011 11:37am by Vataro
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#2 Oct 05 2011 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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The correct term is "coinsurance". And yes, you have the rest exactly right.
#3 Oct 05 2011 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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#4 Oct 05 2011 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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The correct term is "coinsurance". And yes, you have the rest exactly right.


Actually, the $200 is your deductible, and the $5,000 is your out-of-pocket costs. A co-pay is the amount that you have to pay when you go to the doctor (like, $25) which is not applied to your deductible or your out-of-pocket.
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#6 Oct 05 2011 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks folks. I have no idea what my copay is then, but other than that it doesn't sound as bad as I thought initially.
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#7 Oct 05 2011 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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Doesn't it say on your insurance card? Usually it has a list of things like emergency room, scheduled visit, etc..
#8 Oct 05 2011 at 3:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks folks. I have no idea what my copay is then, but other than that it doesn't sound as bad as I thought initially.


It's possible you don't have one. More and more, plans are moving away from copays. Sometimes, doctors visits are included in your deductible and you pay 10% (in your case, I think 20% is more usual. You have a pretty good plan, BTW) and that counts towards your deductible and out of pocket. If it's a general practice doctor, you may not have to pay anything, and only have a copay for specialized doctors.
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Bottom line is that if you end up with an huge medical bill, you will pay at maximum $5200. Your insurance will pay the rest. And start actively looking for a legal loophole to drop you.
#10 Oct 05 2011 at 4:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bottom line is that if you end up with an huge medical bill, you will pay at maximum $5200. Your insurance will pay the rest. And start actively looking for a legal loophole to drop you.


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#11 Oct 06 2011 at 6:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bottom line is that if you end up with an huge medical bill, you will pay at maximum $5200. Your insurance will pay the rest. And start actively looking for a legal loophole to drop you.
For the plans we have offered where I work, any co-pays and deductible count towards the maximum out of pocket.

On a side note, we have a $2000 maximum out of pocket ($4000 for a family plan, but $2000 per person) and people still complain about the plan. My step father has no maximum. Even only having to pay 20% of the total costs, his heart attack earlier this year cost them about $15000.
#12 Oct 06 2011 at 7:35 AM Rating: Good
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My insurance company is very good at messing up my copays and coverage. I remember going to the gynecologist, and afterwards my appointment was confirmed to be "100$ covered," which of course confused the sh*t out of the receptionist because it made no sense.

After about 30 minutes on the phone, we found out the person doing data entry (this stuff is still manually done?) made a typo and meant to type a % sign.

Yeah, I really hate health insurance. Every time I have to use it, there's bound to be a massive cluster@#%^.

Edited, Oct 6th 2011 8:36am by Sweetums
#13 Oct 06 2011 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
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Yup. Unfortunately I won't get billed for a month or two, so hopefully there won't be any surprises then.
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#14 Oct 06 2011 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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Unfortunately since Ray and I are the health plan he gets for doing 20 years of military service, I have no clue what a deductible or a co-pay is.
#15 Oct 06 2011 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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$2000 max out of pocket not being much is a pretty scary thought to me.
It's a max of €200 here (you can increase that to €500 I think, maybe even 1k if you want to pay less per month)
#16 Oct 07 2011 at 6:17 AM Rating: Excellent
$2000 isn't so bad really, it wouldn't need to be paid all at once. If for some reason I had a condition in which I could expect to need it ever year (that would require tens of thousands of dollars worth of treatment) then I could just get the $2000 removed from my paycheck (pre-tax) for just a few dollars a week.

It's not as great as single payer socialized medicine, at least from an individual stand point, but overall, two grand isn't that much.
#17 Oct 07 2011 at 8:16 PM Rating: Good
Not compared to the million bucks that leukemia treatment costs the insurance company. $2000-$4000 max is pretty reasonable.

Ours has $10 copay for preventative care and most medicines, as well as urgent care (which they want you to use instead of ER.) Then they stiff you $300 copay for an ER visit... which, considering that's still a fraction of the cost of an ER visit, isn't quite so horrible. Our max dedictible is $5000.

What stinks is my dental insurance. It's $1000 benefit a year. Once the benefit runs out, you're on your own. Heaven help us if someone needs oral surgery...
#18 Oct 07 2011 at 11:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah what others have said get it. Some companies have benefits that you might just glaze over but could save you fiscal a$$.

My heart transplant alone cost over 1 mil, thats not counting my bridge to transplant using a LVAD which runs around 500k depending on where and which device being used. Both were covered 100% cause of a benefit I wasn't aware of till I needed it. Then my pacemaker cost that was not part of that but reached the limit out of pocket easy and was not that bad. I had to get rid of my savings if I had to apply for SSDI anyway (which I did end up having to do) and it was a legal way of doing it.

Get it even if you think your healthly and young sh*t happens.

Edited, Oct 8th 2011 1:40am by RavennofTitan
#19 Oct 10 2011 at 12:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Co-Pay: think going in on something with someone; "You pay $15 up front, and I'll cover the rest later".

Deductible: Most places, Co-Pay has nothing to do with deductible. For instance, I visit the doc once a month (and pay my co-pay, get my perscription refill, go get my meds, and wait 29 more days). However, I had to get an MRI about a week ago and imaging/radiology has a deductible ($250 in my case). Since I had nothing else in the imaging/radiology department, I had to pay my deductible. Just like with car insurance, if you are in an accident, you pay your deductible and they take care of the rest. After your deductible is met (and UN-like car insurance,) you start doing a co-pay on that service (most places).

Out-of-Pocket: Most places have a maximum out-of-pocket expense you can incur (co-pays don't count towards it, prescriptions don't either, and many places don't count deductibles...) and likewise a maximum coverage amount you're screwed if you go over. For instance, your maximum out-of-pocket may be $5k. If you end up with $10k in hospital stay expenses, the $5k after you pay the first $5k will be handled by insurance.

The problem is, every place handles it differently, and you have lawyers and legal people involved, etc. etc.

I once had insurance where you straight paid everything until you hit $2500 and then you got into co-pays and deductibles and stuff. It's a big ******* mess. I hope that vaguely helped.
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#22 Oct 11 2011 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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I wasn't looking for an advertisement, nor was I shopping for insurance. I was asking what my current package means. Thanks for nothing, though.
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#23 Oct 11 2011 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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Out of curiosity, how much do people pay for health insurance? I know someone who has to pay about $600 a month and that's more than what we pay for an entire year for health and vision. Our dental coverage is about $1,200 a year, and I was told that's really cheap too.
#24 Oct 11 2011 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Out of curiosity, how much do people pay for health insurance? I know someone who has to pay about $600 a month and that's more than what we pay for an entire year for health and vision. Our dental coverage is about $1,200 a year, and I was told that's really cheap too.


$420/month for myself and my sister.
#25 Oct 11 2011 at 2:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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About $1,300 a month for the 4 of us; for dental & health.
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#26 Oct 11 2011 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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Christ. Forget I asked. Health, dental and vision for the 5 of us is about $220 a month.
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