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#52 Aug 11 2011 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
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Isn't it absolutely INFURIATING when your parents refuse to believe you when you say something important about yourself? Something they can't judge, only you can?


I had a piece of glass embedded in my knee for 4 years when I was a kid. No one believed me when I kept saying that there was something in there and it hurt if I moved my leg this way, or rubbed against something on that side of my leg, etc. Hell. I even told a doctor while getting a checkup. He didn't believe me either. Just said it was "growing pains". /sigh...

*Hug*

That is Teh Suck. How was it eventually "found" and removed?


I got tired of the painful bump and one day disinfected a good sized sewing needle and started digging (Yes, I should have used an exacto knife or something, but I started out thinking in terms of piercing a boil and things just got out of hand). There wasn't too much blood (wasn't too deep and I guess mostly just scar tissue anyway), but it did hurt. I kept scraping over the skin, slowly digging deeper until I could poke something hard underneath. Then I worked around it until at some point "pop!", this quarter inch long triangular cross-sectioned shard of glass came out.

Doused the hole with hydrogen peroxide and put a bandage over it. Done!
How did it get there in the first place? And why didn't it get taken care of right away?

I'm frankly surprised that it could have stayed there that long without causing more problems (especially infection, a foreign object is a prime breeding ground for stuff to latch onto). Honestly, I could see that being why they didn't believe you. Now, I'm not trying to excuse their dismissal of your problem, because there is no excuse as a medical professional to ignore a patient when they say that they are having a significant problem like that (at least get an x-ray or something). Just trying to think of a rational reason for why they would have done that. And you are incredibly lucky that nothing went wrong when you removed it yourself. I understand that you got forced into action by the failures of your parents and doctors, but jeez, if you had severed a tendon or a blood vessel... I would recommend pushing your doctors harder instead next time. Smiley: frown
#53 Aug 11 2011 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
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How did it get there in the first place? And why didn't it get taken care of right away?


Interesting story actually. It happened literally the day we moved up to Santa Cruz to live with my father. I was playing in the backyard of my Grandpa's house. I fell and cut the side of my knee. It was a straight gouge, not a gash. Kinda triangular shaped. I thought I'd fallen on a rock or something. We put a bandaid on it and within an hour were piled in a car and headed off. I complained that it hurt, but it was a cut, and I was in 3rd grade, and on a long drive, so...

Turns out that it was a piece of glass that stuck straight into my knee joint. It healed over and left a bump. But when I twisted my knee a certain way, or rubbed up against it, it hurt. Kind of a sharp pain. Almost more like an electric shock actually. I'd complain, but my parents usually just dismissed it. I always thought that something was in my knee, but let's be honest, that's a pretty wild claim for a kid to make, right? And to be fair, I didn't complain often. Just every once in awhile. When you're a kid, you tend to only think about things when they're bothering you right now. And it's not like it slowed me down or anything. I played football, basketball, swam, hiked, rode my bike, and did all the usual stuff that kids do.

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I'm frankly surprised that it could have stayed there that long without causing more problems (especially infection, a foreign object is a prime breeding ground for stuff to latch onto).


Glass doesn't interact with the human body much. It's actually quite common for shards of glass to go undetected for long periods of time. Apparently, I did a decent job slavering hydrogen peroxide on it when it first happened.

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Honestly, I could see that being why they didn't believe you. Now, I'm not trying to excuse their dismissal of your problem, because there is no excuse as a medical professional to ignore a patient when they say that they are having a significant problem like that (at least get an x-ray or something). Just trying to think of a rational reason for why they would have done that.


I showed the doctor the bump and told him that it hurt from time to time and told him I thought something was in there. He (she? Don't remember know) looked at it, decided it was a bruise and that whatever pain I was feeling would go away. Yes. I did explain that this had been going on for a year or two by that time. I suspect this was part of where my lack of strong respect for doctors came from btw.


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And you are incredibly lucky that nothing went wrong when you removed it yourself. I understand that you got forced into action by the failures of your parents and doctors, but jeez, if you had severed a tendon or a blood vessel... I would recommend pushing your doctors harder instead next time. Smiley: frown


It was literally an eighth of an inch of skin, at most. And if there are arteries running on the top side of your leg, I don't know about them. To give you an idea where it was (I'm looking at the scar right now), put your finger on your kneecap. Push it forward down your leg to the end of the cap. Now, move it around toward the outside of your leg about 60 degrees. Now move down your leg about one inch. It's right in that area between the cap and the top of your shin bone. It was sticking straight in. There are no arteries near there. It's just bone, nerve, and connecting tissue. It's pretty safe to just cut the surface area of the skin. And the glass did just kinda pop out once I had the top cleared sufficiently to allow it to come out. It had made its own little pocket in there, so not much danger of cutting anything. If there'd been something really dangerous to cut down there, it would have been cut years earlier.

And hey! I'm a do it yourself kind of guy! :)
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#54 Aug 11 2011 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
Well, now having a better idea of where it was located, you weren't in as much risk as I initially thought (though infection was still a real possibility even disinfecting the needle). Still could have done some nerve damage, but you didn't so it's a moot point now. Glad you got it out.

And it's true that doctors are human just like everyone else, and we make mistakes (some worse than others, unfortunately), but that doesn't happen very often (unless you get some really terrible doc), so I hope you don't completely swear them off. We do some good too. :)
#55 Aug 11 2011 at 7:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, now having a better idea of where it was located, you weren't in as much risk as I initially thought (though infection was still a real possibility even disinfecting the needle). Still could have done some nerve damage, but you didn't so it's a moot point now. Glad you got it out.


Yeah. Probably more risk leaving it in. I'm pretty sure it was close to a nerve due to the electric shock like jolt I'd occasionally get from it. But after a few years and layers of scar tissue built up, not much risk getting it out. Fortunately, it was straight in and just popped out once I'd cut a sufficient hole in the top layer of skin. Left an interesting scar though. It's a round(ish) depression. Looks like a really big chicken pox scar really. It's faded and had to see now.

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And it's true that doctors are human just like everyone else, and we make mistakes (some worse than others, unfortunately), but that doesn't happen very often (unless you get some really terrible doc), so I hope you don't completely swear them off. We do some good too. :)


Hey. I've broken each of my arms once, and doctors set them each time. So that's something! :)

They also have the coolest stories. A friends uncle is a neurosurgeon. His daughter fell while they were camping and sliced open her temple. He stitched her up with her own hair then drove the several hours to the nearest hospital. Very cool!


On the whole though, I've found that unless you're spurting blood, or have a body part that needs re-attaching (which I suppose also involves spurting blood), there's very little reason to go to a doctor. I guess I'm just one of those people who believes in living life as it's dealt to me, and not medicating myself through it. I get that sometimes, it's necessary. Some medical conditions require it. But I also think that sometimes we over do it.
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#56 Aug 11 2011 at 8:10 PM Rating: Excellent
There are some pretty cool stories. And I agree, to some extent, about people overdoing it. There are a lot of people who go there over nothing, which I think stems from a lack of understanding about their health and medicine in general. We see a lot of people with no real issues, which is probably why your problem was so readily dismissed. We sometimes fall into a pattern of assuming nothing is wrong because it is so often true. There's a caveat here though. Another reason that people get so freaked out about minor symptoms is because of the fear of really significant diseases like cancer that often manifest early. Or, for another example, a simple fever or rash could be the flu, or it could be a systemic infection that will kill you in 3 days without treatment. Now, it's pretty rare for this to happen, but you sure as hell don't want to miss it if it does. For that reason I think we need to get out of this habit of dismissing people's complaints off the bat and take a minute to truly evaluate them. Sometimes they will just be worried over nothing, and it's important to recognize that. But it's equally important to recognize when something needs closer inspection. This is a difficult balance to maintain, especially with healthcare as it is (no, I'm not starting a debate or inciting an argument), where we are encouraged and often required to spend as little money as possible on a patient's care. This is understandable to a point, as there are limited resources to begin with and we can't waste them, but I would hate to miss something like a glass shard in someone's knee just because I didn't feel like it was worth it to X-ray them. It's all about a careful balance, which unfortunately some doctors are better at than others. Hopefully I'll be one of the better ones.

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#57 Aug 11 2011 at 8:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Doesn't glass not show up (well) on an xray? My understanding is that this is one of the reasons glass in wounds is really nasty. You can't see it, even when looking around during a surgery it can be easy to miss. I wasn't even thinking in terms of an xray though. If the doctor had taken 10 seconds to physically feel the part of the knee I was pointing out to him, he should have been able to tell that there was something in there. It was a hard bump, with something that noticeably shifted when you applied pressure around it.

I was sure enough something was in there to dig into my own flesh to get it out. And I'm no doctor. I would assume medical training includes something like pushing around a bump to see if there's something hard moving around inside?
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#58 Aug 11 2011 at 9:14 PM Rating: Good
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Glass shows up on xray assuming a thicker mass isn't obscuring it.

Make that "denser mass." Meh.

Edited, Aug 11th 2011 11:31pm by lolgaxe
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#59 Aug 12 2011 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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I was sure enough something was in there to dig into my own flesh to get it out. And I'm no doctor. I would assume medical training includes something like pushing around a bump to see if there's something hard moving around inside?
Yes, palpation is one of the fundamentals of the physical exam. Again, there was no excuse for him/her not to at least take a minute to examine it. I'm sorry you got a lazy doctor. Smiley: frown
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