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#1 Aug 04 2011 at 11:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Newyorker has a story about a woman who scratched an itch all the way to her brain, but it provides a more interesting explanation of the way the brain perceives the world.
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The images in our mind are extraordinarily rich. We can tell if something is liquid or solid, heavy or light, dead or alive. But the information we work from is poor—a distorted, two-dimensional transmission with entire spots missing. So the mind fills in most of the picture. You can get a sense of this from brain-anatomy studies. If visual sensations were primarily received rather than constructed by the brain, you’d expect that most of the fibres going to the brain’s primary visual cortex would come from the retina. Instead, scientists have found that only twenty per cent do; eighty per cent come downward from regions of the brain governing functions like memory. Richard Gregory, a prominent British neuropsychologist, estimates that visual perception is more than ninety per cent memory and less than ten per cent sensory nerve signals.

I found to be particularly interesting. I'd heard of phantom limb treatments before and had a loose understanding that we didn't directly perceive the input from our sense, but what really struck me was the part about creating perceptions from memory. I can remember times when I was touching myself--no, not like that--in odd ways--still not like that--and although I knew I was reprehensible for what was going on I couldn't really understand what part of my body was touching what. This would occur when I was lying in contorted positions, and so I had no sense of proprioception to help me construct an idea of where my body parts were.
#2 Aug 05 2011 at 2:56 AM Rating: Good
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what touching where... I've had a couple experiences, fortunately brief, where some of my internal organs have shut down. This created the most UNEXPECTED consequence. My still functioning organs could feel the surfaces of the non-functioning organs. So for the first (and second) time ever, I got a feel for major internal surfaces within my body.

When all organs are functioning, I can't feel where they are in relationship to one one other.

also, when babies are born, they can see over 10 million shades of green. Actually, don't ask me how they know that, I don't' remember. over childhood the brain gradually starts taking sensory input in in "short-hand", so that by adulthood, we generally only see 18 shades of green.
#3 Aug 05 2011 at 4:37 AM Rating: Decent
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That article made me think of the time before I got glasses/contacts. I was 13, and had no idea there was anything wrong with my eyes. My mind seemed to "fill in" spots I couldn't see from a distance with comprehensive data, usually based on memory. I didn't know this until after I got my first pair of glasses, where it was like learning how to "see" all over again.
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#5 Aug 05 2011 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
over childhood the brain gradually starts taking sensory input in in "short-hand", so that by adulthood, we generally only see 18 shades of green.
I only see one shade of green.

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#6 Aug 05 2011 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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That article made me think of the time before I got glasses/contacts. I was 13, and had no idea there was anything wrong with my eyes. My mind seemed to "fill in" spots I couldn't see from a distance with comprehensive data, usually based on memory. I didn't know this until after I got my first pair of glasses, where it was like learning how to "see" all over again.

My mother's friend had a similar problem. She saw tree conopies as one mass. It was only when she got her first glasses in her teens she saw the individual leaves on trees for the first time... and really appreciated that leaves came in different shapes and sizes.
#7 Aug 05 2011 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
When I first got my glasses, the trees were the most beautiful things in the world.
#8 Aug 05 2011 at 12:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
When I first got my glasses, the trees were the most beautiful things in the world.

Same here. I got my glasses, walked slowly out of the store (when did the ground get higher??), got home and sat on my front porch, watching the leaves.

About what Al is saying, I just read something that was talking about something similar. How we see things. It was saying that, for example, when you're driving in your own familiar neighborhood, you really aren't seeing everything. You might just be seeing the cars right in front of you, but everything else that you think you're seeing is really being filled in by memories.
#9 Aug 05 2011 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
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So does everyone just look at trees when they get their glasses?

Reminds me of Catt.
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#10 Aug 05 2011 at 6:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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First time I put on my glasses I left the doctors office and almost fell down a flight of steps. Who the hell puts the eye doctor on the second floor and his door being right at the steps!!
#11 Aug 05 2011 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
At what point do people get glasses anyways? When I was 18, my vision was 20/15; now it is 20/25. Do I have correction in the near future?
#12 Aug 05 2011 at 6:56 PM Rating: Good
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Vestal Chamberlain Lubriderm wrote:
At what point do people get glasses anyways?


When you can no longer pass the eye exam to get your driver's license.

I got my glasses when I was in high school when I got my license. My eye sight had been getting worse since I was in 9th grade, and when I turned 16 I couldn't see well enough to pass my driving tests.
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#13 Aug 05 2011 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
ehhhhhhhhhh

I'd rather not wait until I'm struggling to read and such.
#14 Aug 05 2011 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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Go to an optometrist and get an examination, take their recommendation. You may think that the optometrist would lie to you and just say you need prescriptions, but I think most of them would realize that prescription lenses are expensive and not something people enjoy paying for. I don't think many would recommend them if you couldn't actually use them.

You could try just the cheapo magnifying lenses. +1.5/2/2.5, etc. You can pick them up for 7-15 bucks, rather than 170+ for a pair of prescription lenses.
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#15 Aug 05 2011 at 7:20 PM Rating: Good
I'm fortunate enough to have insurance, so I really should just stop putting it off and just get an exam already.
#16 Aug 06 2011 at 12:11 AM Rating: Good
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
170+ for a pair of prescription lenses.
Man, I wish my glasses were that cheap. I think it was almost $300 for my last pair. Thank god I have insurance now.
#17 Aug 06 2011 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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I got my glasses/contacts in my mid 20's. I realized it was time when I was going down the interstate and I couldn't read those big green road signs, even when I was right under them Smiley: laugh
#18 Aug 06 2011 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
I got my glasses when I realized I couldn't see stuff at the chalkboard in class. Still took about a year to convince my parents I needed some back then, because my mother kept saying no one ever needed glasses in the family. Since then, they all got some.
#19 Aug 06 2011 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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I got my glasses when I realized I couldn't see stuff at the chalkboard in class. Still took about a year to convince my parents I needed some back then, because my mother kept saying no one ever needed glasses in the family. Since then, they all got some.


It took my mom a while because I realized I needed glasses when I went with a friend who got hers. I tried hers on outside and that's when I noticed that trees had leaves. I went home and told my mom I thought I needed glasses, and she was convinced for a while that I only wanted them because my friend had them. Smiley: rolleyes
#20 Aug 06 2011 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Nadenu wrote:
I got my glasses/contacts in my mid 20's. I realized it was time when I was going down the interstate and I couldn't read those big green road signs, even when I was right under them Smiley: laugh


That happened to me once... only because the sun was rising directly behind them, creating pitch black road sign eclipses out of all of them.
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#21 Aug 06 2011 at 1:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Isn't it absolutely INFURIATING when your parents refuse to believe you when you say something important about yourself? Something they can't judge, only you can?

"I have vertigo"
"No you don't"
"Ok, this is me facedown with my hands clawed into the snow, rigid with terror and unmoving for 20 minutes, on the side of a mountain, with this really dizzy feeling and a feeling of falling, even though physically I am perfectly still, and I don't have vertigo? I have vertigo. You know I have never thrown myself onto the floor in a tantrum in my life, and certainly not in my teens. You know we've all been trained by two Olympian skiiers. You know I usually Telemark turn when I downhill. But right now I feel like I'm falling when I'm not and it's killing me. Please, please help me get up."
"You don't have vertigo."

You know how I got up? My uncle skiied back to see what the hold up was, and he bent down and held my hand, and kept holding it for the 20 meters I had difficulty with. Gee, thanks, Mum, Dad. Thanks for refusing to ski ten meters back to me, and hold my hand so I didn't feel so much like I was pitching down the drop-off. Thanks for standing back and telling me I couldn't possibly be feeling what I was feeling in my head.

And the pneumonia episode:

"I need to go to hospital"
"No you don't"
"My chest is in so much pain it's worse than any of my worst asthma attacks, and I'm so sick I'm literally paralysed."
"You don't need to go to hospital"

Ok, so If I actually could have moved at ALL, I would have crawled on my belly to the phone and called an ambulance myself. Dammit.
#22 Aug 06 2011 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
When I first got my glasses, the trees were the most beautiful things in the world.
I was completely taken back by hallways, as odd as that may sound.
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#23 Aug 06 2011 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Isn't it absolutely INFURIATING when your parents refuse to believe you when you say something important about yourself? Something they can't judge, only you can?
Luckily for me and my sisters, my Dad always took us seriously when we said we were feeling really sick or in pain.
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#24 Aug 06 2011 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
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Duke Ikkian wrote:
I got my glasses when I realized I couldn't see stuff at the chalkboard in class. Still took about a year to convince my parents I needed some back then, because my mother kept saying no one ever needed glasses in the family. Since then, they all got some.

Hugs for you and Belkira. Lets adopt Kirby's Dad.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Duke Ikkian wrote:
I got my glasses when I realized I couldn't see stuff at the chalkboard in class. Still took about a year to convince my parents I needed some back then, because my mother kept saying no one ever needed glasses in the family. Since then, they all got some.

Hugs for you and Belkira. Lets adopt Kirby's Dad.


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#26 Aug 06 2011 at 5:19 PM Rating: Excellent
Aripyanfar wrote:
Duke Ikkian wrote:
I got my glasses when I realized I couldn't see stuff at the chalkboard in class. Still took about a year to convince my parents I needed some back then, because my mother kept saying no one ever needed glasses in the family. Since then, they all got some.

Hugs for you and Belkira. Lets adopt Kirby's Dad.


Smiley: lol

My brother had a basketball game one night. I had been moping a little because I didn't want to go, they were boring to me. Then after dinner, I really wasn't feeling well, so I told my mom that my stomach hurt. She didn't believe me.

I threw up three times at the gym.
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