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#1 Jul 31 2011 at 7:51 PM Rating: Good
So I freaked out tonight.

I was playing Infamous, minding my own business, and my dog jumped up on the couch next to me. She brushed by my foot and her mouth was all wet, so I thought she had just gotten a drink. A few minutes later, I looked down at her, and her mouth and chest were all wet, and she had bubbles coming out of her mouth. It wasn't thick white like foam, just bubbles. Like soap. I grabbed a towel and started wiping her mouth off, I called my husband and demanded to know if he'd thrown out some soap and missed the basket, and then I called my vet's office. They paged the on-call vet, and she called me back.

When I described my dog's issue to her, she asked me to check her gums, which were a healthy pink, and then told me that it would take her 30 minutes to get to the vet's office (and I thought, "then why the hell are you the on-call vet???") so she suggested I take Akira to the emergency animal clinic. After getting directions, I threw on the first pair of pants and a t-shirt I saw, and rushed out the door.

The emergency clinic checked her out, and all of her vital signs and her temperature were completely normal. By this time, she's incredibly excited that so many people are paying attention to her, she's wagging her tail and trying to catch the vet's hand. (The vet thought she was hilarious.) Turns out my dog probably had an epileptic seizure. Not a full blown, fall to the floor and shake seizure, but one that was just in her head. That's why she was drooling like an old man trying to gum a piece of steak.

Thankfully she doesn't need medication right now. I think it's possible she had a seizure back in May, and the vet said that if the episodes get closer together, we need to alert our vet and probably medicate her. So we just have to watch her for now.

My poor little girl. Smiley: frown
#2 Jul 31 2011 at 8:08 PM Rating: Excellent
Thankfully my sister doesn't foam at the mouth when she has her seizures. I'd probably have her vaccinated for rabies or something.
#3 Jul 31 2011 at 8:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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It sucks when something's wrong with your pets--it isn't like they can tell you what's hurting/how they feel.

Hope everything goes okay, though.
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#4 Jul 31 2011 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
Bummer. Hope everything turns out alright.
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#5 Jul 31 2011 at 9:38 PM Rating: Good
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There's some cutting edge research that says the base cause of epilepsy is overheating of the brain. The temperature regulation gets skewed somehow, the brain temperature goes up, and that causes the neural misfires, and hence seizures.

Anyway, not that it is formalised yet, but based on this research, I would be inclined to take steps to cool the head of someone/ some dog having an epileptic seizure. Such as carefully pouring cold water on the back of their head. Or maybe use a coldpack or bags of frozen food.

The lead scientist who produced this research said he recommends epileptics to shower with as cold as water as they can stand, especially when they are washing their hair.
#6 Aug 01 2011 at 6:55 AM Rating: Decent
Here I expected Rabies! Glad your dog is ok.
#7 Aug 01 2011 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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One of our dogs has a similar issue. He's had probably a dozen episodes similar to what you're describing over his lifetime. We found that he was likely to have them in the morning if he went too long without eating, so we adjusted his meal times, and he has been fine for the most part. He's currently 11, so while it is pretty scary to witness, there's also the possibility that it's manageable.

I would suggest that if you don't have insurance for her and were planning on getting it, you should probably do so before establishing a pre-existing condition.
#8 Aug 01 2011 at 7:13 AM Rating: Default
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These stories are part of the reason why I choose not to have pets. I'm glad everything is ok.....

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#9 Aug 01 2011 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
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I would suggest that if you don't have insurance for her and were planning on getting it, you should probably do so before establishing a pre-existing condition.


I wasn't considering it. Is it worth it?
#10 Aug 01 2011 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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Long term,I'd say so. It depends on your outlook on pet health, really. If you are the type to end up having ultrasounds and bloodwork and other expensive tests run as the animal is older, it's pretty worth it. If you tend to just let nature take its course without having the tests run, you might not want the insurance. As far as I know, there are different levels of coverage, so there might be something that fits your needs either way. I think you have until the dog is two to get it.

Basically, it is really only worth it if you end up with serious health issues.

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#11 Aug 01 2011 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Monsieur Spoonless wrote:
I would suggest that if you don't have insurance for her and were planning on getting it, you should probably do so before establishing a pre-existing condition.


I wasn't considering it. Is it worth it?

Most definitely. If she ever needs surgery it can get surprisingly expensive. The flip side is having to put your dog down because you can't justify spending that kind of cash short notice. Doubly so for you since you're job hunting and moving.
#12 Aug 01 2011 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
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Smiley: flowers Sorry to see this, Bel. That's scary.
#13 Aug 01 2011 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Basically, it is really only worth it if you end up with serious health issues.


I'm not sure you understand the idea of insurance, dude.
#14 Aug 01 2011 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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Basically, it is really only worth it if you end up with serious health issues.


I'm not sure you understand the idea of insurance, dude.

Do you just lack reading comprehension, or did you not read my whole post? I'm pretty sure I said that it depends on your feelings about pet health care. If you're going to opt for the expensive treatments, it's worth it. If you typically just let nature take its course (i.e. you are only going to pay for regular checkups and vaccinations), it's not.
#15 Aug 01 2011 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
I'll have to look into it... My husband will be thrilled to learn of another expense for the dog he didn't really want. Smiley: laugh

Thanks, Spoonless! Smiley: flowers

Edited, Aug 1st 2011 10:28am by Belkira
#16 Aug 01 2011 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
Monsieur Spoonless wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
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Basically, it is really only worth it if you end up with serious health issues.


I'm not sure you understand the idea of insurance, dude.

Do you just lack reading comprehension, or did you not read my whole post? I'm pretty sure I said that it depends on your feelings about pet health care. If you're going to opt for the expensive treatments, it's worth it. If you typically just let nature take its course (i.e. you are only going to pay for regular checkups and vaccinations), it's not.


Neither. To be honest, there's little relation between the line I quoted and the rest of your post, which is odd, considering it has the form of a summary. You're talking about how thorough Belkira might want to be with diagnostics, that it's only worth it if that is very thorough indeed, then you summarise as 'only if your dog gets a serious illness'. The context does the opposite of help.

Honestly, I'm not interested in some in-depth analysis of where you went wrong. I kind of assumed it was some kind of oversight, really. I was just teasing you. Now I'm starting to think I might have been right on the money.

Either way, I think the posts speak for themselves. I have marginally better things to do than argue about it.
#17 Aug 01 2011 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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You're right. I have no idea what insurance for, and am just getting defensive because I'm afraid of being wrong on the internet. I suppose I could have added "and you want to spend the money on diagnostics" after the statement about it not being worth it unless the animal is seriously ill. Also, I said "you" instead of "the animal" which is just silly, since pet insurance obviously doesn't not change its worth based on the owner's health.

Edited, Aug 1st 2011 12:13pm by Spoonless
#18 Aug 01 2011 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
Monsieur Spoonless wrote:
You're right. I have no idea what insurance for, and am just getting defensive because I'm afraid of being wrong on the internet. I suppose I could have added "and you want to spend the money on diagnostics" after the statement about it not being worth it unless the animal is seriously ill. Also, I said "you" instead of "the animal" which is just silly, since pet insurance obviously doesn't not change its worth based on the owner's health.


Yup.

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I suppose I could have added "and you want to spend the money on diagnostics" after the statement about it not being worth it unless the animal is seriously ill.


Seriously, that doesn't help.

Edited, Aug 1st 2011 4:27pm by Kavekk
#19 Aug 01 2011 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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You don't typically have expensive diagnostics run unless the pet is seriously ill.
#20 Aug 01 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
You don't seem to understand the difference between these two statements:

Pet insurance is only worth it if, in the eventuality your pet becoems seriously ill, you'll want to run diagnostics.

Pet insurance is only worth it if your pet becomes seriously ill and you want to run diagnostics on it.

Edited, Aug 1st 2011 4:46pm by Kavekk
#21 Aug 04 2011 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
I've worked for a vet as a tech for almost 20 years. Pet insurance is great, but be careful as to research the company and benefits. Some will only pay so much a year or lifetime for certain things. Some breeds have different limitations and each veterinarian has their own policies as to what they accept. Most people have insurance policies where the cost is paid up front by the owner and reimbursed, so you still need to be able to foot the bill. It is still very much worth it though.

A client came in just the other day who had adopted a 4 lb puppy and within a day had broken its leg. To pin the leg is going to cost almost $5000 when it's all said and done. She's glad she got insurance on the little guy, otherwise euthanasia is only a tenth of that cost.

Edit - Spoonless, if you go to a vet like the one I work for now, you get expensive diagnostics run for no reason. My boss who recently purchased the practice is a bit shady.

Edited, Aug 4th 2011 9:19pm by Brokenwheel
#22 Aug 04 2011 at 9:39 PM Rating: Good
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Brokenwheel wrote:
otherwise euthanasia is only a tenth of that cost.

$500?Smiley: oyvey

Jebuz!!; I had a dog that became a nuisance by going after local sheep, and when we put him down it cost, like, $35.
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#23 Aug 04 2011 at 9:44 PM Rating: Good
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Brokenwheel wrote:
otherwise euthanasia is only a tenth of that cost.

$500?Smiley: oyvey

Jebuz!!; I had a dog that became a nuisance by going after local sheep, and when we put him down it cost, like, $35.
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#24 Aug 05 2011 at 3:22 AM Rating: Good
Hehe, sorry I meant a hundredth. Yea $500 would be a bit much.
#25 Aug 05 2011 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Our dog used to get seizures as well, she seemed to get better when we started feeding her raw food. I'm not sure if it would be worth it for your puppy, but it may be worth exploring.
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