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#27 Jul 18 2011 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, what I take into consideration is the fact that HE was the one who made the @#%^ed up choices that ruined his marriage. If his kids really came first to him, he would have avoided anything that would have brought about a divorce, which is beyond traumatizing no matter what the custody outcome. I know people can't always stay together forever, but if you actively make choices that destroy your family, I don't think you have much of a right to be supported by ANYONE. Honestly, my mother cheated on my dad for years, and when he was given custody of us I rejoiced. And my mom was pretty @#%^ed up beyond just the infidelity.

It takes a hell of a lot for a judge to give custody to a father over a mother, and one that is a proven liar and self-pleasing hypocrite probably doesn't have much of a case. Feel free to throw in your hat if you really want to be part of the charade, but if you prefer to do something more subtle, you can always write a letter to the court with your feelings. Just keep in mind that it will be a tiny drop in an empty bucket.


Glad see you've worked through that anger...

And I disagree. Whether or not what he was doing was wrong, it has nothing to do with whether or not he was being a bad father. If he had come out without cheating/getting caught, they would have still gotten the divorce. It may or may not have been cleaner--you can't assume that, especially since you don't know what the wife's particular problem is.

Ultimately, the worst thing either parent can do is openly criticize the other in front of the kids. They are free to ***** however much they want when the ankle-biters are gone, but they should NEVER be doing it where they can hear. That's the most damaging part of divorces, generally, and it sounds like both parents aren't really considering that.

I say go on the camping trip--your cousins could use the support. If you aren't comfortable testifying so that he can get full custody, you can always tell him you'd be willing to say you think it should be 50/50.
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#28 Jul 19 2011 at 4:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Tell your aunt to DIAF for me. Assuming you've been given all of the pertinent details and passed them all along here as well, there is no reason for her to get full custody from a willing, able and loving parent. I hope her first rebound fling has an 18 foot **** and spears her carcass on it when he's done.
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#29 Jul 19 2011 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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Tell your aunt to DIAF for me. Assuming you've been given all of the pertinent details and passed them all along here as well, there is no reason for her to get full custody from a willing, able and loving parent. I hope her first rebound fling has an 18 foot **** and spears her carcass on it when he's done.

I heard all sides last night and I just can't see where he's at fault other than cheating. Which is a big deal obviously, but the other side of the fence has gone beyond rational with the court stuff. Maybe if he routinely got drunk and shot apples off the kids' heads her moves would be justifiable, but takin' a **** or three does not make him a threat to them. Her justice is the kids are hers 100% of the time with monitored visitation and she's sticking to it. The kids are vocally unhappy as you can imagine.

There's of course a lot more happening to take into account and I can see why someone in her particular position would feel she's doing the right thing. She's with a guy for 30 years since middle school, has always followed his lead, tolerated his extravagant behavior, given him three children and a large majority of her life... and he's been sleeping with dudes behind her back. She's ******* mad. Madder'n a bobcat caught'n a **** fire.
#30 Jul 19 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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So she's being spiteful? Understandable I suppose, but still she needs to calm the f*ck down before going forward with a custody battle.
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#31 Jul 19 2011 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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I heard all sides last night and I just can't see where he's at fault other than cheating. Which is a big deal obviously, but the other side of the fence has gone beyond rational with the court stuff. Maybe if he routinely got drunk and shot apples off the kids' heads her moves would be justifiable, but takin' a **** or three does not make him a threat to them. Her justice is the kids are hers 100% of the time with monitored visitation and she's sticking to it. The kids are vocally unhappy as you can imagine.

There's of course a lot more happening to take into account and I can see why someone in her particular position would feel she's doing the right thing. She's with a guy for 30 years since middle school, has always followed his lead, tolerated his extravagant behavior, given him three children and a large majority of her life... and he's been sleeping with dudes behind her back. She's @#%^ing mad. Madder'n a bobcat caught'n a **** fire.


And that is is so common. Once one spouse has felt that they have given up the best years of their life for the other spouse and have been betrayed, the most common revenge tactics in divorce are alienating the kids from the other parent and going for the financial jugular. Hence, that's why some divorce attorneys say "When the client sees red, the attorneys see green." It boils down to who is willing to pay that much in attorneys' fees and costs to make the other side suffer. And when you're that angry and feeling that vindictive, every penny gets thrown in the pot.
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So she's being spiteful? Understandable I suppose, but still she needs to calm the f*ck down before going forward with a custody battle.


This. Honestly, I'd support your uncle getting full custody over her (though I don't think either parent should be seeking it). She's THAT willing to ignore the well-fare of her kids?

My mother divorced her first husband (with whom she had two daughters) because he was a raging alcoholic. The kind of alcoholic that would get drunk instead of going to work, so he couldn't hold down a job. Would show up to pick up his kids drunk, if he showed up at all. There were even a few times where she had to flee the apartment with my sisters, because he was starting to get violent.

And know what she never did? ******* about him in front of my sisters. Neither of them can recall a time of her EVER insulting him or raging about him. She pretty much gave him a decently high custody percentage (at least every other weekend), and he would only show up for some of them, and would show up for others drunk (so my mother wouldn't let them go, but did so gracefully without screaming in his face).

Frankly, this guy was a hell of a lot worse than your uncle, whose offense seems like jaywalking in comparison to me. But the fact that it was handled gracefully (on her side, at least--on his not so much) saved my sisters a TON of stress.

Divorce is always going to be a ****** time for the kids. There is NO EXCUSE for either parent intentionally making it harder. On the contrary, both parties should be encouraging their children to never stop loving the other parent.

And, honestly, there's no reason they need to know the fine details. "We're getting divorced because I'm gay" is more than sufficient. "We're getting divorced because your father is a cheating ******* who rather stick it in boys than in women, so I'm asking for full-custody because there's no way you are safe with him" is not necessary or okay.

Nil pretty much nailed it. This ***** needs to calm down before she seriously damages her children. Anger isn't a justification, it's an excuse. This possibly applies to your uncle as well, who needs to take a step back and stop fueling her rage by getting angry himself.
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#33 Jul 19 2011 at 2:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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This possibly applies to your uncle as well, who needs to take a step back and stop fueling her rage by getting angry himself.

He probably just needs to get laid.

Or, well, maybe not.
#34 Jul 19 2011 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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All her rage is likely a rouse to throw off the trail of her cheating on him as well, I can give you the name of a few good PI's...
#35 Jul 20 2011 at 7:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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She's @#%^ing mad. Madder'n a bobcat caught'n a **** fire.
Inexcusable. ***** deserves to be shot for using her kids as anything in this, especially if they still want contact with their father and he's done nothing that puts them at any risk.


Edited, Jul 20th 2011 10:58am by Uglysasquatch
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#36 Jul 20 2011 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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She's @#%^ing mad. Madder'n a bobcat caught'n a **** fire.
Inexcusable. ***** deserves to be shot for using her kids as anything in this, especially if they still want contact with their father and he's done nothing that puts them at any risk.


Seriously. I get that she has the right to be mad. Hell, she has the right to hate him with every fiber of her being if she wants to.

But that doesn't excuse her getting the kids involved in this. Especially since I've seen little in this thread to suggest that he's a bad father. And a hell of a lot to know that, at least right now, she's being a horrendous mother.
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#37 Jul 20 2011 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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After all the child stuff is over and done with, he should take videos of his gay sex romps, upload them and send her the link.
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#38 Jul 20 2011 at 8:13 AM Rating: Good
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And, honestly, if he has problems with the courts because of the gay thing, there are decent advocacy groups that will help him out. This isn't an uncommon situation, at all, because so many gay men got married and had kids, like he did (of course, he might be bi as well). But, y'know, he likes men. Is he going to go without sex for the rest of his life?

People can fool themselves into thinking they can, but most don't have that kind of willpower.

So plenty of lawyers have a lot of experience dealing with this exact same scenario.
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#39 Jul 20 2011 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
Yeah, I'm on the "*****, back off" bandwagon here. I get that she's mad, but she should have some shred of self control.
#40 Jul 21 2011 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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I wonder if some element of the "get full custody" push in these situations comes from a desire to cut all ties with the other party (rather that it all just being a revenge thing).

I mean, if you have joint custody, then the other person will still be involved in your life, to some degree. You might have to see them from time to time. And even if you don't, you'll still hear about them, you may have to schedule around them, and you witness the effect that their parenting has on your kids. I'm sure it can get rough.

I bet that's part of the attempt to get full custody sometimes. Breaks are easier when you can completely cut ties with somebody.

Edited, Jul 21st 2011 12:53pm by Eske
#41 Jul 21 2011 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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A big part of it is control and lost of trust. You've lost control of your marriage, you've lost control of many aspects of your life, so the only thing left is the ability to control what happens to your children. You don't trust your ex to be able to parent the children in a good way. One of the most common arguments between married couples is how parenting style differences. So when the divorce happens, that argument tends to escalate and is magnified by all the anger and vindictiveness.

There is something called Parental Alienation Syndrome and I think that the situation with Kaain's aunt and uncle are heading straight smack into this.
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