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#52 Jul 18 2011 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
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Kavekk wrote:
I like that the forum's 'small aquarium advice' is to get a bigger one.


Heh, yeah actually after I made this I started looking around my house to find a spot for a bigger tank. Might be able to manage a 30g in the living room, though not sure i want the low hum of the water filter running in there.
#53 Jul 18 2011 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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After reading this thread I'm thinking about getting fish again. The 1 thing I hated doing was cleaning the gravel. Is there something better than gravel that can be put on the bottom or is there an easy way to clean gravel? I've seen marbles being used before and I like the way it looks. Do the marble work or are they a waste of space?
#54 Jul 18 2011 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
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depends what you mean by cleaning the gravel. If you want to just get the **** and old food out of it, you use one of these.
#55 Jul 18 2011 at 2:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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KTurner wrote:
depends what you mean by cleaning the gravel. If you want to just get the **** and old food out of it, you use one of these.


As long as you have an under gravel filter then using a siphon to clean the gravel isn't that big of a deal.
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#56 Jul 18 2011 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
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PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
KTurner wrote:
depends what you mean by cleaning the gravel. If you want to just get the **** and old food out of it, you use one of these.


As long as you have an under gravel filter then using a siphon to clean the gravel isn't that big of a deal.

Makes me wish I knew about those back when I had fish as a teenager. Thanks for the advice, I'm heading over to the pet store now.
#57 Jul 18 2011 at 4:33 PM Rating: Good
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theratio wrote:

Makes me wish I knew about those back when I had fish as a teenager.


O.o

how do non-prems post images now? -.-
#58 Jul 18 2011 at 4:33 PM Rating: Good
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Freshwater tanks are so boring.
#59 Jul 18 2011 at 4:35 PM Rating: Good
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how do non-prems post images now? -.-


Same way premium does, except that you don't have your own image folder yet (they're still figuring out how they want to implement it, afaik). You can post from everyone else's folders though.
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#60 Jul 18 2011 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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Same way premium does, except that you don't have your own image folder yet (they're still figuring out how they want to implement it, afaik). You can post from everyone else's folders though.


That makes a lot of sense! not.
#61 Jul 18 2011 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol, click image, type in the number. That's it...
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#62 Jul 18 2011 at 10:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have mixed feelings on undergravel filters. If you clean them often and correctly, they work fine. Most people tend not to get them cleaned, so they end up being a dirt repository that tends to throw their PH balances in the tank out the window.

There is a tecnhique called a reverse undergravel filter where you are pumping water under the gravel and out, rather than sucking dirt into the gravel, which is promisng as using the gravel as a benificial bacteria growth surface, but I've never really felt it provided enough benifit for the amount of equipment required, and it does limit your other equipment choices in a planted tank environment.

I have a needlessly elaborate and overly complex filtration and life support system. Mainly because thats one of the areas I enjoy tinkering with. It tends to work pretty well though for a larger tank.

I started with a largeish custom acrylic tank built to my specifications. It is extra tall to accomodate angel fish, and rigged like a saltwater reef tank, with a drilled overflow and a durso standpipe in the back right corner. The water return to the tank is via a diffuser spraybar, to spread current around all the plants rather than just one spot. The water travels down the drain pipe underneith the aquarium to a custom designed sump / refugium. in here, the water travels through one major chamber of filter floss media to keep the particles out of the water, then over a bunch of carbon packs, a bunch of "bio balls" for benificial bacterai growth, and over a bio wheel. From there, it enters the refugium section, where I grow a ton of mosses and harvistable plants, and plants that tend to fix trace minerals that are harmful to fish, like baby mangroves. Those get thinned out every so often to remove toxins. From there it returns to the tank via pump. What this arrangement does is essentially double the surface area of my tank for oxygen exhange, without adding a huge amount more space to the area my tank takes up. I also have the sump set up on a timer, so that whenever the lights in the main tank are on, the lights in the sump area are off. In theory this causes the sleepint plants to produce oxygen and use c02, which is used by the plants up top. when the lights reverse, the oher plants take over. so essentially one set is always feeding the other set.

All the water from the sump also travels through a UV steralizer, which is necessary if you plan on keeping freshwater clams, but a good idea nonetheless.

The area used by the undergravel filter in most tanks is taken up by a plant root heating cable, which promotesr root growth. I have also deliberatly seeded the gravel with a few hundred trumpet snails http://www.yamatogreen.com/MalaysianTrumpetSnails.htm which eat all the decaying matter that makes it into the gravel. The gravel bed is extra thick, to accomodate the needs of the plants, but also to act as a de facto berlin filter.

My goal is to make the mechanics and bilogical components clean and filter everything without needing carbon or these thingies: http://www.marinedepot.com/Seachem_Purigen_100mL_Bag_Carbon_Replacements_Resin_Chemical_Filter_Media-Seachem-SC3231-FIFMCHRM-SC3231-vi.html

I think it can be done, but I'll need a larger refugium on future projects, or perhaps a supplemental hydroponics garden that I can run the water through
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#63 Jul 18 2011 at 11:38 PM Rating: Good
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I was going to build a Durso standpipe for my reef tank but the weir is way too narrow to fit the PVC pipe. It turns out that a cleverly placed piece of rectangular tupperware set at an angle above the bulkhead does a great job of minimizing the noise. It's not as quiet as a Durso I'm sure, but quite tolerable.

I had intended to setup a refugium in my sump for some macroalgae and other goodies, but my protein skimmer is way bigger than I accounted for and takes up the bulk of the sump.
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#64 Jul 19 2011 at 11:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
I was going to build a Durso standpipe for my reef tank but the weir is way too narrow to fit the PVC pipe. It turns out that a cleverly placed piece of rectangular tupperware set at an angle above the bulkhead does a great job of minimizing the noise. It's not as quiet as a Durso I'm sure, but quite tolerable.

I had intended to setup a refugium in my sump for some macroalgae and other goodies, but my protein skimmer is way bigger than I accounted for and takes up the bulk of the sump.


How much clearance do you actually have in that weir? did they just make it large enough for the drain tube alone? If you have even a little clearance, i've seen a two narrow intake durso made out of acrylic plates before. Tuning it is apperently a pain in the *** though.

You can always go the hang on the back refugium route if you have clearance. siphon tube and a direct drain back into the tank, etc.

I tried building a freshwater protien skimmer, but I never got it even close to working well enough to justify keeping it in. There just isn't enough calcium in freshwater to make good foam consistantly. Even with a crapload of reeeely fine airstones and a really powerfull air pump, it just blew bubbles, not foam. It's now on the wall of failed filter products, next to my piles of broken fluidized bed filters.
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