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#27 May 25 2011 at 4:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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So everybody in the fish-packing business, everyone who sells fish, everyone who buys fish, and everyone who shops at a grocery store which sells fish are paying your salary? How is that "100% self funded?". Is the inspection 100% voluntary? If not, then your claim isn't true.
You've completely lost it. 100%.
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#28 May 25 2011 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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Grats! Goverment is the place to be. I work for the federal government...I smell fish forty hours a week. The best part is we are 100% self-funded so I don't have to listen to the jerks who say they pay my salary.


I'm curious what you mean by "100% self funded". So everyone who you deal with pays out of their pockets for the services you provide? Doesn't that mean that they *are* paying your salary? Or do you mean it's all taxpayer funded, in which case the same applies? I'm honestly curious what magical condition you're in here.


I'm guessing that means the amount of money fish-packing businesses pay for inspection equals the governments expenditures to pay the inspectors and staff of the US Dept of Fishsmelling.

"The jerks" being everyone outside the fish-packing business who don't pay into the same funding bucket as the fish-packers.


Wow, gbaji, you're extraordinarily thick today.


This, but we actually end the year with a surplus which goes to the taxpayers.


So everybody in the fish-packing business, everyone who sells fish, everyone who buys fish, and everyone who shops at a grocery store which sells fish are paying your salary? How is that "100% self funded?". Is the inspection 100% voluntary? If not, then your claim isn't true.

Yes, it is 100% voluntary to get inspected by the Department of Commerce (Seafood Inspection Service). It's is not funded by tax dollars. We generate our own revenue.

Note: All fish is technically covered by FDA (except catfish -- USDA) which is funded by taxpayers...but I don't work for the FDA :P

Edited, May 25th 2011 7:48pm by Ailitardif
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#29 May 25 2011 at 5:46 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I ordered fish tacos at a local restaurant recently. Ergo, I pay your salary. Suck on that!!! ;)


Maybe if the restaurant gets USDC inspected fish.
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#30 May 25 2011 at 6:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I thought this thread would be about wang, pie or butts. In any case, grats on the job.
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gbaji wrote:
I ordered fish tacos at a local restaurant recently. Ergo, I pay your salary. Suck on that!!! ;)


With this order of logic:

1. I pay federal taxes
2. Federal taxes go toward tax breaks for oil companies
3. I am therefoe invested in said oil companies
4. Those oil companies owe me dividends.
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#32 May 26 2011 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Friar Bijou wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I ordered fish tacos at a local restaurant recently. Ergo, I pay your salary. Suck on that!!! ;)


With this order of logic:

1. I pay federal taxes
2. Federal taxes go toward tax breaks for oil companies
3. I am therefoe invested in said oil companies
4. Those oil companies owe me dividends.

I like where this is going!
#33 May 26 2011 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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So everybody in the fish-packing business, everyone who sells fish, everyone who buys fish, and everyone who shops at a grocery store which sells fish are paying your salary? How is that "100% self funded?". Is the inspection 100% voluntary? If not, then your claim isn't true.
You've completely lost it. 100%.


You can't lose what you don't possess to begin with. It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that "self-funded" in the context of this discussion means not funded by federal or state taxes. To explore any other definition is an exercise in irrelevance, A.K.A. Gbaji.
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Well, this kind of presents a problem. Today is a state furlough day and I already did all the HP refresher courses previously and I have no other IM training to do at this time. I have absolutely nothing to do from now until 4:30. Blah, gonna be boring as **** today.
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gbaji wrote:
I ordered fish tacos at a local restaurant recently. Ergo, I pay your salary. Suck on that!!! ;)


Oh did you go to Rubio's? You live in San Diego too, right?
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I've been on the BadgerCarePlus list for like 10 months. My badger doesnt seem to be doing to well and any help I could get, you know. But now I know someone on the inside Mwahahaha, cough not really. Grats on your job though. Im on half that stuff you listed.

Really wish I could find a job, My wife just got hired starting June 13th at Charter (Where I used to work) and I've been filling out applications left and right, and turning in resumes with reckless abandon, even for jobs I'm not 'qualified' for because I'm getting desperate besides I'm a quick learner I could probably pick up all aspects of the jobs in a week or 2.
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Ailitardif wrote:
Yes, it is 100% voluntary to get inspected by the Department of Commerce (Seafood Inspection Service). It's is not funded by tax dollars. We generate our own revenue.


And there are alternatives available? So, for example, I want to sell my seafood somewhere and I can go to some other inspection business and pay them to inspect my fish so I can put a fancy seal on the packaging to ensure to consumers that it is safe? Or does the government have a monopoly on the "safe fish seal" business? And there are no laws which restrict the volume or location of the sale of fish without said seal?


I mean, I could say that buying a vehicle registration through the DMV is also "100% voluntary". Kinda meaningless though, isn't it? I still can't legally operate said vehicle unless I pay for the registration, so it's still really a tax on operating a vehicle. Same deal with the fish inspection.
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gbaji wrote:
I ordered fish tacos at a local restaurant recently. Ergo, I pay your salary. Suck on that!!! ;)


Oh did you go to Rubio's? You live in San Diego too, right?


No. Actually I went to some restaurant called Casa De Pico. I actually commented that my decision to get the fish tacos is because I hadn't bought any from Rubio's in quite a while. Rubio's used to have specials where you'd get a burrito (or whatever) + a fish taco, beans, and chips. Somewhere along the line, they changed their specials to be the burrito + beans, chips, and a drink. Which sucks. Because of that (and me not eating fast food very often anymore) I haven't had a fish taco from Rubio's in quite some time.

Which is too bad. They're freaking delicious!

Edited, May 27th 2011 2:21pm by gbaji
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gbaji wrote:
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gbaji wrote:
I ordered fish tacos at a local restaurant recently. Ergo, I pay your salary. Suck on that!!! ;)


Oh did you go to Rubio's? You live in San Diego too, right?


No. Actually I went to some restaurant called Casa De Pico. I actually commented that my decision to get the fish tacos is because I hadn't bought any from Rubio's in quite a while. Rubio's used to have specials where you'd get a burrito (or whatever) + a fish taco, beans, and chips. Somewhere along the line, they changed their specials to be the burrito + beans, chips, and a drink. Which sucks. Because of that (and me not eating fast food very often anymore) I haven't had a fish taco from Rubio's in quite some time.

Which is too bad. They're freaking delicious!

Edited, May 27th 2011 2:21pm by gbaji



I think I've eaten at the one in Grossmont before. It's been quite a while.

But Rubio's has this deal now on Tuesdays after like 2pm or something where Fish Tacos are a 1.50 each.
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I've been on the BadgerCarePlus list for like 10 months. My badger doesnt seem to be doing to well and any help I could get, you know. But now I know someone on the inside Mwahahaha, cough not really. Grats on your job though. Im on half that stuff you listed.

Really wish I could find a job, My wife just got hired starting June 13th at Charter (Where I used to work) and I've been filling out applications left and right, and turning in resumes with reckless abandon, even for jobs I'm not 'qualified' for because I'm getting desperate besides I'm a quick learner I could probably pick up all aspects of the jobs in a week or 2.


If you live in Madison, the ESC is hiring people. Just go to HP's website and search for jobs. They're currently hiring for Customer Solutions Rep II. I hate to be the bearer of bad news on the wait list, but everyone that applied after October 9, 2009 at 4:30PM has been wait listed. The state had permission from the federal government between July 2010 and March of this year to allow people with certain types of cancer and serious heart conditions to bypass the wait list, but that stopped March 19. The program is currently approximately 15,000 people over the cap so everyone is still waiting that has applied since that day. I wouldn't hold your breath.

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gbaji wrote:
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Yes, it is 100% voluntary to get inspected by the Department of Commerce (Seafood Inspection Service). It's is not funded by tax dollars. We generate our own revenue.


And there are alternatives available? So, for example, I want to sell my seafood somewhere and I can go to some other inspection business and pay them to inspect my fish so I can put a fancy seal on the packaging to ensure to consumers that it is safe? Or does the government have a monopoly on the "safe fish seal" business? And there are no laws which restrict the volume or location of the sale of fish without said seal?


I mean, I could say that buying a vehicle registration through the DMV is also "100% voluntary". Kinda meaningless though, isn't it? I still can't legally operate said vehicle unless I pay for the registration, so it's still really a tax on operating a vehicle. Same deal with the fish inspection.


Did you read this before you posted it? I'll give you a hint, one is against the law, the other isn't. See if you can guess which is which.
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I think I've eaten at the one in Grossmont before. It's been quite a while.


That's the one I was at. My sister apparently knows the owner (but not well enough to get a discount, so wth?). We had a big ol family lunch thing a couple weekends ago. It was pretty good food.

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But Rubio's has this deal now on Tuesdays after like 2pm or something where Fish Tacos are a 1.50 each.


May have to check that out sometime.
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Unfortunately o don't live in or near Madison. I'm up in Fond du lac. Thanks for the heads up though, yeah I figure it might be a while before I would get on it. Using Fond Du lac Samaritan clinic they help with my asthma medications so Im not completely up a river. Inhalers, nebulizer treatments and the like are stupid expensive because of the fed. laws (Proair inhalers are 45 bucks a piece, same inhaler in England Is 5/10 because they can make generic instead of one company holding the right to life saving medicine, and the ONLY thing that changes was the air can not containing CFC, no change in the medication itself, stupid)
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Paskil wrote:
Did you read this before you posted it?


Of course I did. I wrote it, right?

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I'll give you a hint, one is against the law, the other isn't. See if you can guess which is which.


There's no federal law against driving without proper vehicle registration either. So they're both not against the law, right? I asked a very specific question in my earlier post. Can you honestly say that no where in the US, at no level of government is there any requirement placed on any restaurant, market, grocer, etc which may use the applicable inspection seal (PUFI I'm assuming?) when granting a license to said business authorizing them to sell the product(s) in question?

I suppose it's possible, but that just seems unlikely. Our legal system is designed such that the US government sets up standards and then the states and municipalities pass laws determining to what degree someone or some business must meet those standards.


Um... But honestly, all of this is moot. If I buy some fish and that fish was sold to me by a packing company which paid for the inspections, then I paid a portion of the salary of the people who did the inspections. I'm still not sure how one thinks they're not in any way beholden to the customers who purchase whatever good or service they provide. You always are.
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gbaji wrote:
I ordered fish tacos

I concede. You've changed my mind on the death penalty because you definitely deserve it.
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I ordered fish tacos

I concede. You've changed my mind on the death penalty because you definitely deserve it.


Anyone who doesn't like fish tacos should be banished from Allaland! They are the yum. :)
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#48 May 27 2011 at 6:13 PM Rating: Good
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I think the point, gbaji, is that they are not being double charged for the inspection on the seafood. Since none of their tax dollars go to fund the inspections, the only impact they have on the fish inspection is actually in the buying of the fish.

I.e. the only people who are paying for fish inspections are fish buyers. Not people who are non-piscatarian.

Compare this to, oh I dunno, the National Park System. Those are all federally funded, by tax dollars, and there are all these beautiful parks out there that you and I are paying for that we'll probably never get to see. I've been to two in my whole lifetime so far. I want to increase that number, but when I go to visit the parks, I'll also probably have to pay a parking fee or some ****. Double billed, man.
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Seafood in all forms, as food, or euphemisms for vaginas, are disgusting and should not be consumed by anyone.

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gbaji wrote:

Um... But honestly, all of this is moot. If I buy some fish and that fish was sold to me by a packing company which paid for the inspections, then I paid a portion of the salary of the people who did the inspections.

gbaji wrote:
I ordered fish tacos at a local restaurant recently. Ergo, I pay your salary. Suck on that!!! ;)

The inspection is rolled into the cost of business this doesn't mean you are paying a portion of the salary of the inspectors. The cost of the inspections compared to the volume of product check split across all sales would come out to such a small amount for YOUR purchase referring to the taco's it wouldn't even be payable in currency without rounding up to the nearest penny and even then a single penny is still likely 50x more than your share. Obviously the higher the volume you buy the more of that fee you are technically paying off but it is still a cost of the business you are buying from not a cost to you.
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